Book released by Defense Atty Nov 2015 #1

[zonaNpa]

As long as we're on the topic (since this bothers me as well) ... would of, could of, etc., as opposed to would have or could have (or would've or could've). I know the words sound the same, but...

This absolutely drives me nuts!

 

[peedoffinny]

So I just got my book. I read the section where KN talks about his first impressions of JM.

I could barf.

He says JM is an "ends justifies the means" type of guy. Hello pot? It's the kettle....

Then he talks about some time JM supposedly made up a story that a defendant was a necrophiliac without any such evidence just so the guy would get the death penalty. Oh you mean like you, Nurmi, and your pedo lie? I don't believe it about JM but whatever.

And according to the foreword KN failed the bar exam the first time he took it. I did not know that.

Off to start at the beginning. Sigh. If there is anything anyone wants to know please let me know. THe book is in 51 chapters and the table of contents is petty detailed so I may be able to find info if you have a particular question.

Thanks for the offer P&GMom. Does he mention anything about the phone magically being found by Aunt Sue?

 

[Steve44]

Sooooorrrry! Point well taken! My goof!

On the other point, but not in defense of my indefensible reading, I don't remember discussing ALV's and Fonseca's radical feminism before, but I have noticed, since our discussion has become fast-paced, that thoughts are echoed later by other posters as though they are novel points of view. The idea that the "advance glimpse" of Nurmi's book are a parody was claimed by several posters. So I can see that my handle might have become attached to a diatribe against radical feminism and ALV/Fonseca.

Apologies again: I appreciate your perspectives.

Apology accepted. The discussion in main came up during the time of their testimony. We (or at least I) was trying to understand their psychology. I concluded that they were anachronistically clinging to an early thread of feminism from a time when such radicalism was useful to awaken society from its long-habitual patterns and attitudes that made genuine inequality accepted and unquestioned, that in the beginnings of feminism that attitude, while not, even at the time, being fully correct or legitimate, did serve a useful purpose in breaking the natural inertia of societies resistance to change, but that also the time for such a divisive view of the issue has passed, while people like ALV and Fonseca cling to it for purposes of personal power.

 

[samspace070]

Yes, it's supposed to be out on Kindle next week.

I will be looking forward to your extracts from the book, and then i'll probably bite the bullet and buy it to.

Gotta admit, I do like the cover.

So many people buying his book, it makes my heart cry. He will be laughing all the way to the bank. But not with one dime of my money.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

A slightly older family member would be easy to figure out wouldn't it? And were they holding their breath during the super secret testimony, never knowing what Jodi would do or say.

For me, I think I know who KN is implying. I also believe she is a damned liar and it never happened... well, I know she is a proven liar in most everything else.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

p. 136: "One thing I will say about Mr. Martinez, in terms of the hours he put in for his salary, and only in those terms, the taxpayers were getting their money's worth." (emphasis mine)

Oh please, how dare you.

Nurmi also takes great umbrage that Juan tried to undermine Dr. Samuels, calling Samuels the kindest person he knows. To Nurmi, questioning his witnesses is apparently a big no-no.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Thanks for the offer P&GMom. Does he mention anything about the phone magically being found by Aunt Sue?

Just that they "thought" the phone had been stolen from the truck but "a family member" (never referenced by name) found it.

The book really jumps around so if I see another mention of it I'll let you know.

 

[GigiG]

This absolutely drives me nuts!

hahaha! Thanks for validating!

 

[samspace070]

Exactly as many have said about his client. If she had taken responsibility and showed genuine remorse, she would not be so reviled. Have only read the snippets, but it sounds to me as if he's offering excuses for his behavior, primarily blaming JA for all of it. Maybe he'll come through in the other books, but until I hear something from him about regret for making the choices he made and an apology directed toward TA's family and friends, the rest just adds a bit of pity to my disgust. He didn't just defend his client, he allowed himself to be used as a puppet for JA's evil intentions toward TA's memory and those who he loved.

Don't forget what he did to the Hughes, lying to them about the pedo letter when he knew full well they were forgeries. That is not a zealous defense that is slimy, corrupt, unethical and most likely illegal behavior and I for one am not ever going to forget it. Until he apologizes to the Hughes and the rest of us for that act and the Alexander Family, I won't cut him NO SLACK. He is despicable.

 

[GigiG]

For me, I think I know who KN is implying. I also believe she is a damned liar and it never happened... well, I know she is a proven liar in most everything else.

Hmmm, can you say who you think she is? Or give some hints?

 

[Steve44]

So many people buying his book, it makes my heart cry. He will be laughing all the way to the bank. But not with one dime of my money.

But, he's expecting to rise above himself with this book, and he will only succeed in very publically failing, as so far has been shown.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Don't forget what he did to the Hughes, lying to them about the pedo letter when he knew full well they were forgeries. That is not a zealous defense that is slimy, corrupt, unethical and most likely illegal behavior and I for one am not ever going to forget it. Until he apologizes to the Hughes and the rest of us for that act and the Alexander Family, I won't cut him NO SLACK. He is despicable.

He did it, according to his book, because apparently the letter said TA was interested in their son. I had never heard that before. KN gets all high and mighty that he was such a great guy to tell them about the letters because they contained info on their child and he didn't want them blindsided. (Sorry if that is old news, it was the first I heard of it).

Nurmi wants it both ways. He wants us to know how smart he is for not falling for the pedo letters. But he wants to use the info they contained as fact.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Nurmi has obviously gotten into Jenny's stash. He cannot believe Juan spent so much time interviewing ALV pre-trial, especially since they were in a cramped room in JW's office (you can't make this up, as if that is Juan's fault). According to KN, "LaViolette's conclusions were not subject to any legitimate challenge and Mr. Martinez seemed to be figuring this out as he progressed during the interview." He seems to me to be pissed off that JM didn't take everything she said as gospel.

And then there is this quote: "What makes you, the trial watcher, so positive that Ms. LaViolette is wrong? What makes you, the trial watcher think that you know more about domestic violence than Ms. LaViolette?" I'm sort of waiting for him to trash the jury next.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Just that they "thought" the phone had been stolen from the truck but "a family member" (never referenced by name) found it.

The book really jumps around so if I see another mention of it I'll let you know.

Grandpa's poor old truck sure got around didn't it? That poor old man should haunt all of those liars. That lie is as bad as the little boy in underwear pic that floated through the air and landed face up at the killers feet. The females in the Allen family (or the ones involved here) are pathetic low-life liars. That phone wasn't lost, and Sandy didn't find it. Had the killer been in Grandpa's truck and lost her phone, why didn't she find it herself? Sorry, just venting!!!


Adding.... Just to show how nuts they really are, who in the hell would remember "I found the phone in the truck on my way to get Chinese" If that damned phone wasn't in plain sight, why was Auntie Sue's *advertiser censored* nosing around in her Dad's truck? Had an eggroll went under the seat and she was looking for it? They all add too much to a story to make it believable. Like Jodith, Sueith and Sandyith suck at lying!!!

 

[Steve44]

p. 136: "One thing I will say about Mr. Martinez, in terms of the hours he put in for his salary, and only in those terms, the taxpayers were getting their money's worth." (emphasis mine)

Oh please, how dare you.

Nurmi also takes great umbrage that Juan tried to undermine Dr. Samuels, calling Samuels the kindest person he knows. To Nurmi, questioning his witnesses is apparently a big no-no.

And properly impeaching sloppy work and questionable ethics is dirty pool if Nurmi is paymaster. Thanks for clearing that one up Nurmi.

 

[samspace070]

So I just got my book. I read the section where KN talks about his first impressions of JM.

I could barf.

He says JM is an "ends justifies the means" type of guy. Hello pot? It's the kettle....

Then he talks about some time JM supposedly made up a story that a defendant was a necrophiliac without any such evidence just so the guy would get the death penalty. Oh you mean like you, Nurmi, and your pedo lie? I don't believe it about JM but whatever.

And according to the foreword KN failed the bar exam the first time he took it. I did not know that.

Off to start at the beginning. Sigh. If there is anything anyone wants to know please let me know. THe book is in 51 chapters and the table of contents is petty detailed so I may be able to find info if you have a particular question.

I knew he would try to trash JM, he was so jealous of him. He better be careful, he can be sued for Libel. I am so glad I didn't spend one thin dime on this uncontrollable zealot. I appreciate you letting the rest of know what this sleaze bag wrote, pinkandgreenmom. I was over on the BK site and I think I made a few enemies. Be careful what you say over there. They are BK advocates and don't like any criticism of BK. I was polite and gave my opinion of what I felt were her feelings toward Juan and his book compared to her feelings of Nurmi and his book. The blowback was quick. They say they accept all opinions, but unlike WS, that is obviously not true. I like BK most of the time, she gave a good account of what happened in court and she was definitely not believing the lies of JA. She is a very attractive woman and has been in this business a long time. But do I believe she is the best legal mind in the country, not even close. But she tries and most of the time she is close to be right, but not always. I do not feel like Nurmi is a good attorney, with a different judge he would have looked as common as any run of the mill lawyer and that jumping jack willlnotshut up, would have been severely reprimanded for her constant unfounded objections and demands to approach. I have seen some of these judges slam these lawyers for doing what Willmott did hourly.

I didn't mean to demean BK, I just stated I felt she disliked Juan and it showed all thru the trial and especially after his book deal. She was not nearly as critical about Nurmi, even made an excuse he may have the right to break the A/C privilege. The MCAO spokesman said Martinez was not under the A/C privilege and had every right to discuss Arias, and he was sure he would not discuss anything under seal. But she disagreed and thinks Juan may affect her appeal and get her a new trial, but didn't say anything about Nurmi's book and him affecting her appeal. So that is what I said. They didn't like it. But it is my opinion and I have a right to it. That is the impression I got and still have, more than ever. I much prefer this site to any other. Fairness and courtesy is everywhere.
Thank you all for your posts.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Hmmm, can you say who you think she is? Or give some hints?

IMO, her older brother but with her, who knows. What do you mean by "she"?

 

[GigiG]

IMO, her older brother but with her, who knows. What do you mean by "she"?

Sorry, reading from your previous post, I can see now that the "she" you were referring to was JA?

"For me, I think I know who KN is implying. I also believe she is a damned liar and it never happened... well, I know she is a proven liar in most everything else."

 

[GigiG]

I believe their "intentional" misspelling of "angle" is mocking some of the support sites grammar, they do so quite often. :laughing:

Oh, okay. Well in that case it's quite funny! hahaha

 

[samspace070]

Both sides knew the letters were forgeries. How would it benefit Juan to have false evidence admitted?? He'd have to shoot it down easily, but the proverbial "bell' would have been rung. Why plant the suggestion in the jurors minds that he was a pedo to begin with??
He had much bigger issues than Jodi being a forger. He didn't need them, just like he got her convicted without the stalker evidence. She is much more than just a murderer- she is a stalker, a forger, a con artist, a thief, a liar... but you can't give her more punishment than she received other than death.

You are so right..LinasK, It would have done more harm than good to introduce those letters, and Nurmi knew it he is just trying to criticize Juan. Obviously Juan is the better attorney and he just can't stand that. The jury didn't believe the pedo story anyway. It was so obviously a lie. I watched some of her testimony again a few day ago, and I still can't believe this evil witch is human. Everything she said about TA was scripted to make him look horrible. For instance, the time he met her and gave her the Book of Mormon, and then he asked her for a *advertiser censored* and she gave him that *advertiser censored*, (a week after they met) She goes into detail about him adjusting the mirror so he could see her doing him two ways, and then refused to kiss her and climbed out the car and left. THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

She told about every single sex act they supposedly had in painstaking detail. She made him sound like a monster. Remember the baptism? Sickening. LIES, LIES, LIES. And that slime Nurmi dragging it out of her faked shamed look on the stand. She sure changed when Juans turn came. And in my opinion that is what sunk her. The Jury saw this sociopath for what she was. When the jurors came out and talked on some of the evening programs they said as much.