Book released by Defense Atty Nov 2015 #1

[Hatfield]

Thanks for your strike explanation- makes sense. Not sure I'm following your logic about which Atty is withdrawing.

Her appellate attorneys are the attorneys of record on the COA docket. Wouldn't a motion to withdraw by an AA show up on the COA docket rather than- or at least in addition to -the Sup Ct docket?


ETA.. Skimmed back through both dockets/sites. There is nothing anywhere on either site ( that I could find) about Nurmi or Wilmott withdrawing, or of the killer's first AA withdrawing, or on her current 2 AA's being appointed.

Just 2 cites show up, both on the Sup Ct's docket- an AA first appointed in May, and now this motion to withdraw.

Curious. I hope it is one or both of her AA's. Maybe they read Nurmi's book and decided, H-ll no!!!!

Re BBM
I think you are exactly right. The timing is too coincidental.

They probably read it and realized WOW the same things she is doing to us. Heck no I am out of here. LOL

 

[nrdsb4]

The horrific evil and violence of her crime completely aside, can you imagine how awful it would be to have to deal with that woman on a regular basis in any capacity?! The narcissism alone would have me reaching for the sedatives in short order. I'd need counseling and/or drug rehab before you could say Bob's Your Uncle.

 

[lewcch3]

New Document on BK site: Arias Motion for more time.

Two attorneys are listed: Peg Green and Cory Engle.

Reason for request: although State filed motion on Nov 6 the AAs did not receive until Nov 13.

Things that make you go "Ummm"!

 

[samspace070]

If it continues to give you trouble even after cleaning they are much cheaper than I thought these days. I bought a new USB plug in keyboard using the USB port plug in and I think I paid about 10-15 dollars.

WOW that sounds wonderful. I am going to do it. My oldest son said he would buy me a new laptop for my birthday so the USB plug in keyboard will work great until Travis gets mine fixed or I get the new one next year. Thank You Hatfield.

 

[RickshawFan]

Me too. All the way through her post-arrest request to pretty herself up for the mugshot and EF's speedy reply of - no, we can't let you do that. I'm afraid you're gonna have to come along just as you are. ...

I can't remember that in the interrogation. My absolute fave, though, was the bologna sandwich episode (maybe it was chicken salad, idk), and seeing her pick through it with her evil fingers, and then disassembling it, and knowing as we do, that she'll be stuck with bologna sandwiches for the rest of her life, if she's lucky, and that Yreka bologna sandwich may seem delicious in retrospect.

 

[Hatfield]

WOW that sounds wonderful. I am going to do it. My oldest son said he would buy me a new laptop for my birthday so the USB plug in keyboard will work great until Travis gets mine fixed or I get the new one next year. Thank You Hatfield.

Glad I could help. If you do decide to get a USB Plug-in Keyboard, first be sure to check your laptop's side and make sure you have at least 2 USB ports if you are using 1 already for your Mouse. Even if your laptop only has 1 USB Port, I think they make a connector that can split the 1 port to 2 connections so that you can plug in both your mouse and keyboard.

Its like a 1-to-2 USB connector.

You can just check those things before you go in case you need to get the connector too.
If your laptop has 2 ports then you don't need the connector of course.

I ran into that on an old laptop because I only had 1 port and my mouse was using the port.

 

[RickshawFan]

The timing of Jenny finally officially withdrawing as counsel of record yesterday?
...

Hypothetical scenario 3.

Jenny didn't resign as counsel of record in June because she and or MDLR wanted or needed to stay in contact with the killer to discuss things on a protected phone line, and it wasn't until the killer bombarded Jenny with screamy calls about the book that Jenny decided- not worth it , and pulled the plug?

MDLR was officially off the legal team the moment JA got her sentence. IIRC, That's just how it is for mitigation specialists. MDLR doesn't have any control over this. Also, I believe only JA's current attorneys of record can visit JA with rights to privacy. This keeps inmate friends from claiming they're inmate attorneys and entitled to privileged conversations.

The only way MDLR could have contact with JA is if she's on JA's visitor list. However, IIRC her contract expressly forbids her from further interaction with JA or any sentenced prisoner.

Maybe MDLR has been breaking both of these stipulations and that's part of the AG investigation? Along with all her other infractions?

 

[Hope4More]

New Document on BK site: Arias Motion for more time.

Two attorneys are listed: Peg Green and Cory Engle.

Reason for request: although State filed motion on Nov 6 the AAs did not receive until Nov 13.

Things that make you go "Ummm"!

The extension requested is just until Nov 20, and no mention is made of attys withdrawing. Both AA names are on the paperwork.

 

[Hope4More]

MDLR was officially off the legal team the moment JA got her sentence. IIRC, That's just how it is for mitigation specialists. MDLR doesn't have any control over this. Also, I believe only JA's current attorneys of record can visit JA with rights to privacy. This keeps inmate friends from claiming they're inmate attorneys and entitled to privileged conversations.

The only way MDLR could have contact with JA is if she's on JA's visitor list. However, IIRC her contract expressly forbids her from further interaction with JA or any sentenced prisoner.

Maybe MDLR has been breaking both of these stipulations and that's part of the AG investigation? Along with all her other infractions?

I really was (am) engaging in wanton flaming speculation.

I know MDLR is off her case so to speak, and has no official access to the killer. But...she and Wilmott seem to have some shared interests in the killer (so to speak) which could be communicated in privileged (so to speak) calls if Wilmott was indeed still her counsel of record, which she quite literally is on paper.

And....if the motion to withdraw as counsel of record isn't the killer's AA attys who else could it be but Wilmott?

 

[LinTX]

New Document on BK site: Arias Motion for more time.

Two attorneys are listed: Peg Green and Cory Engle.

Reason for request: although State filed motion on Nov 6 the AAs did not receive until Nov 13.

Things that make you go "Ummm"!

Unless there was some glitch in the system, motions are e-filed per rules of COA.

BK is reporting that it the attorney withdrawal was Willmott, so just pretend I never thought it was the appeal attorneys, LOL!

She is also backtracking just a little on her comments about JM being granted time for a book tour, now posting that the extension also mentioned that JM was taking over from another attorney and needed time to become familiar with the case. I primarily use the site for docs, so I don't know, but maybe someone mentioned that to her in comments?

 

[Hope4More]

Unless there was some glitch in the system, motions are e-filed per rules of COA.

BK is reporting that it the attorney withdrawal was Willmott, so just pretend I never thought it was the appeal attorneys, LOL!

She is also backtracking just a little on her comments about JM being granted time for a book tour, now posting that the extension also mentioned that JM was taking over from another attorney and needed time to become familiar with the case. I primarily use the site for docs, so I don't know, but maybe someone mentioned that to her in comments?

Interesting timing for Wilmott to suddenly remember that she didn't officially remove herself in June. Or July. Or August, September or October or half of November. Busy lady, maybe.


Pink or Caylee Adv or any one with Nurmi's book. Is it accurate that he essentially accused JM or EF with evidence tampering? And suggested that proof of that might yet show up? (related to what Nurmi says are missing lines within text msg exchanges)?

Might be at the end of a chapter about text messages?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

"By in large, and for all intensive purposes, Ms Arias could of . . ."

The above is meant as a parody of Nurmi and is likely mean-spirited but, like many posters here, I'm aghast at his downright sloppiness. I'm a teacher and, after decades of grading essays, I can tell the difference between a student who simply doesn't know and a student who simply could care less. Guess which category he belongs to.

I would guess the latter, or is that later? LOL It might even be the DGAS attitude,

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Interesting timing for Wilmott to suddenly remember that she didn't officially remove herself in June. Or July. Or August, September or October or half of November. Busy lady, maybe.


Pink or Caylee Adv or any one with Nurmi's book. Is it accurate that he essentially accused JM or EF with evidence tampering? And suggested that proof of that might yet show up? (related to what Nurmi says are missing lines within text msg exchanges)?

Might be at the end of a chapter about text messages?

I'll check into that. It may take a while because the book isn't well organized. I sort of remember something to this effect but can't be sure.

 

[atthelake]

The timing of Jenny finally officially withdrawing as counsel of record yesterday?

Hypothetical scenario 1.

Perhaps because the killer's fans are writing to tell her what's in the book and she's been spamming Jenny's office demanding to talk with her to rage about the book? Because she called her appeals attys first and they won't answer the phone? And Jenny was all like- dang. I knew there was something I forgot to do, filed the motion asap then told her on the killer call-in, sorry, I'm not your attorney anymore, take it up with Meg?

Hypothetical Scenario 2.

Ahler's investigation about jury tampering edges closer to Jenny- MDLR - killer contact and communications and Jenny's attorney asks her- well, you haven't been in touch with her since June, right, after the reparations hearing, since that was your last obligation as her attorney. Right? Right? Jenny?


Hypothetical scenario 3.

Jenny didn't resign as counsel of record in June because she and or MDLR wanted or needed to stay in contact with the killer to discuss things on a protected phone line, and it wasn't until the killer bombarded Jenny with screamy calls about the book that Jenny decided- not worth it , and pulled the plug?

:thinking: good point that everything was confidential as long as she was attorney of record it no longer is confidential?

 

[LinTX]

I really was (am) engaging in wanton flaming speculation.

I know MDLR is off her case so to speak, and has no official access to the killer. But...she and Wilmott seem to have some shared interests in the killer (so to speak) which could be communicated in privileged (so to speak) calls if Wilmott was indeed still her counsel of record, which she quite literally is on paper.

And....if the motion to withdraw as counsel of record isn't the killer's AA attys who else could it be but Wilmott?

You were right about it being Willmott and probably right about what prompted her to file the official withdrawal - my vote is the fanz are driving her nuts.

I also reviewed the DOC rules about attorney visits, calls, etc. and it's not restricted to the current attorney of record. It does limit phone calls made by the inmate to an attorney and says both visits and calls have to be cleared in advance (48hr=visits, 24hr=calls) with some restrictions on length of calls and "when it is reasonable and necessary ". It 'encourages' the inmate to use the mail, so I'm guessing JA is not able to just call whenever she needs to whine.

DOC's definition of attorney is:

ATTORNEY - An attorney-at-law licensed to practice in any state or federal jurisdiction.

 Who has entered into or may in the future enter into an attorney-client relationship with the inmate
or has been appointed to represent the inmate, as evidenced by court record, court order or by the inmate's written authorization.

 Shall not include anyone who is on the inmate's visiting list.

 

[atthelake]

Yeah, sorry, I replied without reading further, which I usually don't do.

I've read that one of the characteristics of sociopaths is that they often believe that they are the smartest person on the planet. Though many are very intelligent, crafty even, not all of them are particularly brilliant. But they believe they are, and often exhibit spectacularly brazen behavior which people who are actually intelligent can easily see is monumentally stupid. Which is why our prisons are full to the brim with sociopaths.

As are corporate CEO s and politicians

.......

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Here is what I'm finding about the text messages. According to Nurmi, of course.

-he had to file a motion to compel the state to provide them because they refused
-the state kept insisting they didn't exist until threatened with court intervention
-state turned over "hundreds" of text messages. KN is angry they didn't come from the phone company itself, but rather from the state. He prefers the records directly from the phone company
-he finally got what he wanted; the fact that there were thousands and thousands of texts (gee, the page before said hundreds, now it is thousands) means to KN that these two "were really involved in each other's lives on so many levels." The number of texts reveals to KN that Travis never tried to disengage himself from JA (gee, Nurmi, if the number didn't perhaps the content would have. Dumba$$).
-KN says these were very genuine because they were written at a time when neither party would have a need to fabricate anything.
-KN focuses on the differing tones of TA's texts, how one minute he calls JA a liar and the next he says she is awesome.
-JA supported Mitt Romney for President (I swear, I'm not making this up)
-the texts on the whole made Nurmi feel very sad.

This is in the section about the text messages. The book is so disjointed the info you seek could be elsewhere so I'll take another look and post anything I can find.

But as you can see, Nurmi is looking strictly at the number of texts. God forbid he write about the content of them. I have a sneaking suspicion that would paint an entirely different picture of this "relationship."

 

[Val1]

That suggests a conscience on some level. I believe she is a sociopath, and sociopaths have no conscience. Maybe I've misunderstood you and you just mean she was feeling the stress of knowing she would be found out and held accountable. But she never had to contact the detectives, much less have a conversation with them. It seemed to me that she was so overconfident in her intelligence and her ability to snow everyone, including and especially the detectives, that she didn't consider for a moment how monumentally foolish it was to allow the detectives to interrogate her for hours and hours without an attorney.

I thought she was simply so confident that she'd done the perfect crime and would get away with it(see her early TV interviews) that she was kind of regretting not being able to boast that she had been the one to punish TA for his sins, let alone shove her and TA's sordid relationship in all TA's marriageable choices' faces ... so felt the need to soak up every minute of pain she could wring from his family and friends to feed her compulsion for that fleeting "ultimate gratification" she craved, as she so succinctly put it in her blog on May 10, 2008.

 

[LinasK]

She didn't appear to be smirking when they announced the verdict. That was very satisfying.

Yup! So much for "No jury will ever convict me"! And she isn't smirking in her latest Perryville mug shot, she's pissed- it's not "blinded by the lights and trying not to squint/see God"

 

[LinasK]

I think my original post there was wrong and others helped me realize that. I originally mistook all her phone calls to LE as her worrying about her deed and stressing about it but I now agree with others that she was probably enjoying it and enjoying the drama and putting herself into the situation again.

You are right too that she was so over confident and thought she could fool everyone. She probably felt a few calls to LE to talk to them would be sure to fool them.

If she was stressing about it, it was because she wanted to know if they had the goods on her, so she could spin more lies to cover. Even when Flores showed her her nude selfies, her reaction was "It certainly looks like me", implying it was someone else, i.e. she was blonde/not in Arizona, etc, etc...