Bosma Murder Trial 02.03.16 - Day 3

[Satchie]

OR c.) he was named by someone who wanted him known to police.

You're right - the reports of today's testimony made me think it was some covert operation of LE 'putting out feelers' about someone with that tattoo, but in fact from the Hamilton Police facebook page, they publicized the tattoo on the morning of the 10th, by later that day they had information from two people identifying DM. That same day they went to visit him, and perhaps as soon as they had his cellphone data from the night of the 6th, they arrested him.


So the 'police sources', that I took to mean people who regularly report to police, were probably just tips from people who knew DM. I recall now, it was very public information and DM must have heard about it.

 

[matou]

Cocky.Dellen Millard is cocky and the jury knows it.On the third day of his first-degree murder trial, Millard stole the show when he smiled and raised his hand in greeting to a homicide detective on the witness standhttp://www.thespec.com/news-story/6262513-bosma-trial-bizarre-smile-and-wave-from-a-man-accused-of-murder/

 

[jash]

This is incorrect. It took nine minutes. It was done immediately.

Thank you. I was going off the tweet quoted... I guess the reporter got the AM/PM mixed up. Understandable given the circumstances.

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
At 1:34 am he contacted Bell corporate security looking for help with Tim's cell phone data. Got response at 1:43 pm. #Bosma

I'm so appreciative of all the reporters who tweet (and WSers who post those tweets here).

 

[jash]

Cocky.Dellen Millard is cocky and the jury knows it.On the third day of his first-degree murder trial, Millard stole the show when he smiled and raised his hand in greeting to a homicide detective on the witness standhttp://www.thespec.com/news-story/6262513-bosma-trial-bizarre-smile-and-wave-from-a-man-accused-of-murder/

Wow - what a refined gentleman. (sarcasm)

...as is the custom, they rise for the jurors' entrance. Millard usually does a deep bow in the jury's direction. Smich does not.

I love these little insights.

...when the court heard that Smich had told his girlfriend Tim was "gone, gone, gone," Millard looked over at him and ever so slightly shook his head.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...e-smile-and-wave-from-a-man-accused-of-murder

 

[Ontario Mom]

My husband & I both have very similar phones, and we have to swipe across screen to 'reactivate' to access apps, etc. Sometimes, my husband's big fingers inadvertently also swipe an icon on the screen as part of that swipe, and activate an app he doesn't mean to open. Might it be that TB's cell phone browser was activated briefly at 10:01 by mistake as an unfamiliar user swiped the screen, trying to figure out how to shut phone off? TB's phone turned off @ 10:02 according to today's testimony.

Not caught up yet (again) but wanted to address this. It doesn't ring probable at all that someone would swipe a screen and accidentally open an app, in an effort to turn off a phone. My reasoning for this is simple: Samsung phone screens time-out after a certain period of time. The default is like 30 seconds or something where the screen turns black. You can go into settings and change that so the screen stays live for longer, but I think the longest you can set it, is 30 minutes. From everyone I know, most people set theirs somewhere from a minute to 5 minutes.

Not to mention, cell phone power buttons are almost always on the SIDE of the phone (if not always?). You don't need to access your screen to turn the phone off. What seems far more probable to me (and I could be totally wrong) is that one of these guys used his phone to access something - then the other one possibly said "turn that off!". So off it went, a minute later. And by the way, a minute is a long time. Pick up your phone, swipe the screen and hit an app - any app. Then start timing yourself from the second the app opens. I just did it myself and it's really a lot longer than you might think, to sit there with an app open.

 

[MsSherlock]

An incinerator can burn many things. It's not limited to carcasses.

I agree! With the temps they burn at they'd be good for disposing all sorts of things- reducing them to a nice small mound of unidentifiable ashes. Maybe things like seats? Clothing? So handy!!

 

[Kamille]

Cocky.Dellen Millard is cocky and the jury knows it.On the third day of his first-degree murder trial, Millard stole the show when he smiled and raised his hand in greeting to a homicide detective on the witness stand http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-smile-and-wave-from-a-man-accused-of-murder/

It seems as though he finally got the memo that his behaviour is inappropriate considering the circumstances. There were no tweets about his courtroom antics after the lunch break that I noticed. Lots before though.

MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

He grabbed his satchel when the police came because they would need a warrant to search his person, so there was something in there: gun? drugs? both?

I had the exact same thought when I read the tweets from court about the way the questions were being asked. If Millard assumed they (LE) had a search warrant for the property, he would have immediately grabbed that murse and put it on his person. Yes, I called it a murse because that's exactly what it is. And, given Millard's known history, there was SOMETHING in it, he most definitely did not want LE to see.

 

[MsSherlock]

Strange that it hasn't been mentioned yet. They seem to have gone from the Bosma home directly to the cellphone being found, skipping that missing link. Like you I hope it shows up at some point.

IMO, and I'm no expert in following these types of trials, I'm thinking that they have the evidence lumped by specialists. Today it was the cell phone towers. pings etc. IMO, there will be a specialist called to explain any video evidence. MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

IMO, and I'm no expert in following these types of trials, I'm thinking that they have the evidence lumped by specialists. Today it was the cell phone towers. pings etc. IMO, there will be a specialist called to explain any video evidence. MOO

And we're only three days into the first of what will be THREE long murder trials. I'm sure there are more details ahead than any of us can easily stomach.

 

[ABro]

Thank you. I was going off the tweet quoted... I guess the reporter got the AM/PM mixed up. Understandable given the circumstances.

I'm so appreciative of all the reporters who tweet (and WSers who post those tweets here).

Police use a 24 hour clock to avoid this kind of confusion. he would have said 13:00 hours if it were 12 hours later.

 

[Tamarind]

Cocky.Dellen Millard is cocky and the jury knows it.On the third day of his first-degree murder trial, Millard stole the show when he smiled and raised his hand in greeting to a homicide detective on the witness standhttp://www.thespec.com/news-story/6262513-bosma-trial-bizarre-smile-and-wave-from-a-man-accused-of-murder/

I don't believe a whole jury would be so shallow as to believe someone smiling was cocky.
Someone who has never been in such an environment before and who seems to have been a friendly trusting type of guy, would not necessarily know that he wasn't expected to smile or to raise his hand when someone was pointing at him and trying to identify him. Rather than try to demean someone based on a smile I choose to recognize that not everyone realizes that political correctness is now like law in most situations. If I were on trial for something and I felt I was innocent, I would definitely smile at my family and friends and if someone was trying to point me out and had said my name, who's to say whether or not I would feel that I had to identify myself.

I honestly have not detected anything cocky so far about DM, and I am not someone who tolerates arrogance and narcissistic personalities well. ALL MOO

 

[JPC]

Regarding what was in the satchel, it could have been incriminating evidence from any of the 3 murders that he had allegedly been involved in. Up until the TB murder he may have started to feel invincible. Got away with 2 and arrogant enough to believe that he was smarter than LE or anyone else for that matter.

 

[JPC]

I can't speak to political correctness but I do believe that there is a certain amount of empathy for the family and respect for the jury, LE etc required under the circumstances. It sounds like his behaviour is distracting to the matter at hand and I am sure that his legal counsel is cringing at every cheesy, showboating, self-aggrandising turn. If he is truly innocent then he should allow his legal representation to do their job by focusing on facts, not his court room behaviour.

 

[canadiangirl]

Possibly, I doodle when thinking.

And he has a lot to think about!

 

[deugirtni]

An incinerator can burn many things. It's not limited to carcasses.

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• SN250: for animal shelters, veterinarians, funeral homes, & law enforcement.

 

[MsSherlock]

I can't speak to political correctness but I do believe that there is a certain amount of empathy for the family and respect for the jury, LE etc required under the circumstances. It sounds like his behaviour is distracting to the matter at hand and I am sure that his legal counsel is cringing at every cheesy, showboating, self-aggrandising turn. If he is truly innocent then he should allow his legal representation to do their job by focusing on facts, not his court room behaviour.

I know if I was sitting there as his co-accused, the Crown, as a Juror or even the Judge, I'd be thinking either 1) has anyone told this guy that he's up on first degree murder charges and can we get it in writing or 2) is the elevator this guy's riding going right up to the top? Maybe MS is really trying to tell him something with the "Pacific" on his shoes? MOO

 

[Juballee]

so then someone had a samsung charger on hand? makes no sense..to me if the phone was shut off then it would still have battery life when turned on again..and the flood of texts would come through. I guess because Liz had cleaned it off the prints on the phone would have been cleaned too. If Tim was already dead and there was so much blood as they describe..would the phone not have blood on it too then? It will be interesting to see when Tim was killed.

I find it a little confusing following so many different reporters who can only give 140 characters worth of info at a time, I am finding that most focus on exactly the same things and so must be not really listening to what is happening while they are typing, and I sometimes think I may have missed something.

Here, for example, I am also sure that I read both that the witness said that the phone came on and started pinging, and also that she also said it was plugged in and started pinging when turned on according to different reporters. I think I even remember reading that she was questioned by the defence in whether or not it needed to be charged and I believe that she said that she couldn't remember. Then I also recall reading that she didn't initially know how to turn it on as she does not have a Samsung phone, so I think if she did charge it, she must have had a charger in common.

I want to think that if she cleaned off the phone that she would have noticed any blood among the dirt and bird poop, or that the cop who visited her dug the thing she used to clean it with out of the trash to check for DNA. I also like to think that the phone was thoroughly searched by forensics in every crack and crevice that would not be removed by an ordinary cleaning. Maybe that will be introduced later? Or maybe the phone managed to stay clean, which I would find hard to believe whether it was kept in a shirt pocket or jeans pocket. Do we know which pocket he tended to keep his phone in?

 

[MsSherlock]

I don't believe a whole jury would be so shallow as to believe someone smiling was cocky.
Someone who has never been in such an environment before and who seems to have been a friendly trusting type of guy, would not necessarily know that he wasn't expected to smile or to raise his hand when someone was pointing at him and trying to identify him. Rather than try to demean someone based on a smile I choose to recognize that not everyone realizes that political correctness is now like law in most situations. If I were on trial for something and I felt I was innocent, I would definitely smile at my family and friends and if someone was trying to point me out and had said my name, who's to say whether or not I would feel that I had to identify myself.

I honestly have not detected anything cocky so far about DM, and I am not someone who tolerates arrogance and narcissistic personalities well. ALL MOO

In all honesty Tamarind, I don't think posters are jumping to conclusions here at all. IMHO, the majority of people will never find themselves in a Court of Law on such serious charges, so it's really hard to say how we'd react, but I think I'm safe to say that the majority of people know that it's not a social gathering and wouldn't be cracking a smile or gesturing to witnesses in the presence of a Judge and Jury unless it was initiated by the Judge- not even in traffic or small claims court. I would have hoped that RP had prepared DM better- seems like MS has gotten the memo. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

LE went to question DM at the hangar:

When they asked Millard his address, he gave them the address of his farm in Ayr.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/dispatches-from-the-tim-bosma-murder-trial-day-three.html

He did not give Maple Gate as his address. Probably more to hide at Maple Gate than at the farm?