Bosma Murder Trial 02.29.16 - Day 16

[andreww]

Out of arrogance or perhaps like the key to the truck, they were trophies from the kill?

Maybe, but it just seems weird that this guy is cautious enough to use a burner phone and buy an incinerator to cleanly dispose of his mess, but he's carrying around dirty gloves and keys in his pocket.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6s7 seconds ago
Blood also detected on roof liner above driver's visor. DNA profile was developed. Tim #Bosma could not be excluded as the source.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7s8 seconds ago
Again, the RMP is 1 in 18 quadrillion. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s18 seconds ago
Blood on passenger side visor. DNA profile developed and #Bosma cannot be excluded as the source.

 

[swedie]

He could have incinerated them.

They needed them for clean up on the Thursday evening/night prior to loading TB's truck into the trail. IIRC LE showed up at the hangar early Friday morning. DM not being an early bird and lacking sleep didn't help him to think straight thank goodness hahaha.

So it seems that once DM got wind of AJ going to CS or LE Thursday later in the day, he was in a mad rush to get TB's truck somewhat cleaned up and the heck out of the hangar, hide the incinerator in the trees, he used CN to do all this.

WHERE WAS MS FROM TUESDAY ONWARD TO HELP DM? DM had to call upon CN to help him instead. IMO MS was staying as far away as possible from this criminal mess DM had made. MS probably only followed DM back to the farmland, and then just helped DM put TB's body in the incinerator, then following him to the hangar because it was DM's Yukon he was driving. Then waited with DM at the hangar, while the incinerator did it's thing because MS had no way of leaving, no transportation. I would imagine MS might have been in a state of shock (once DM shot TB) and just went along with DM fearing for his own life. Could that be why he took MM with him the one day to the hangar? MS figured with MM along DM wouldn't take the chance of doing anything to the two of them together? MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Kaiyla Hoffmann
‏@kaiyla_hoffmann
@susanclairmont What is the demeanour of Dellen Millard and Mark Smich today in court?
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted Kaiyla Hoffmann
Both quiet.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Sloots says #TimBosma could also not be excluded as the source of DNA found in blood stain on driver's side visor of his pickup truck

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s49 seconds ago
Warrants obtained to get DNA profiles from both Millard and Smich post-arrest.

 

[Velma]

Warrants were used to get DNA samples from Smich and Millard.
by Adam Carter 4:07 PM

Court now seeing photos showing where cigarette butts were found by the hangar door at MillardAir.
by Adam Carter 4:08 PM

 

[Typhoo1961]

When it is from the truck of someone who was murdered, your key ring would be the last place, imo.

For us normal people yes, but this is DM we're talking about.

 

[Sphinx]

You think he used the same gloves for all 3 alleged murders?

In my opinion, it is quite possible. Consider this quote from today's testimony.



Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Now the other side of same glove seized from Millard on arrest. Blood stain that was insufficient for DNA testing.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16s16 seconds ago
Now second glove. Stains from three individuals. Cannot get a DNA profile.

end of quote

If it meant 3 blood stains from 3 different individuals, it could be from WM, LB, and TB. If it meant 3 different dna traces that were stained to examine them, then it could mean that 3 different individuals wore those gloves. Can anyone else add more clarification ? I am not a forensic specialist.

 

[NashBridges2]

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Blood stains were found below the latch on the loading hatch to the chamber door, Sloots says


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Jury seeing photo of blood stains found on ledge of Eliminator, below the load door. DNA detected. #Bosma could not be excluded as source.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sloots says #TimBosma cannot be excluded as the source of the blood at a probability of 1 in 18 quadrillion

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Two stains tested positive for blood. Could obtain a DNA profile that could not exclude #Bosma as the source. RMP is 1/18 quadrillion.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
The blood on the incinerator was from #TimBosma .... 1 in 18 quadrillion chance it was someone else.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
2 stains. For one, 1 in 18 quadrillion chance it could be someone else. For second, that RMP is 1 in 3.7 trillion. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Blood also detected on metal lip at opening to burn chamber according to Sloots

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Blood detected on metal lip of burn chamber of Eliminator.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 49s49 seconds ago
The chances of it being someone else's blood (called the random match probability) is 1 in 18 Quadrillion. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 37s37 seconds ago
Insufficient DNA from those stains.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
Jury also sees photo of blood stains found at opening of burn chamber. Insufficient DNA found. #Bosma

So there we have it. Proof, it's his blood. The family has known it for some time but to hear it out loud In Court must be so hard for them. Sending my strength and love to them xxoo

 

[Typhoo1961]

There was also blood found on the metal lip opening of the burn chamber, but a DNA comparison couldn't be made.

Unfortunate.

 

[Velma]

A male DNA profile was found on a cigarette profile at the hangar, and it couldn't be excluded from Mark Smich. The chances of it coming from anyone else are 1 in 11 trillion.
by Adam Carter 4:10 PM

Court now seeing a canvas diesel shoulder bag that was seized from 5 maplegate drive in Etobicoke. A blood stain was found on the bag.
by Adam Carter 4:11 PM

On another part of the bag, Dellen Millard could not be excluded in DNA comparison. The chances that the DNA came from anyone else is 1 in 22 thousand.
by Adam Carter 4:11 PM


The infamous man purse/satchel?

 

[flipflop]

For us normal people yes, but this is DM we're talking about.

I agree, I cannot see "normal" people keeping a key as a trophy!!!

 

[aawaterloo]

"When I compared the DNA profile of that blood to the toothbrush of Tim Bosma, he cannot be excluded as the source of that blood." The chances of it being someone else's blood (called the random match probability) is 1 in 18 Quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 3:57 PM

Both accused are high school drop outs. I hope someone is translating this in plain English to them. They are screwed...MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
Warrants were used to get DNA samples from both Smich and Millard. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s19 seconds ago
Again to cigarette butts by hangar door at Millardair.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
One butt, had a male DNA profile that could not exclude Smich. 1 in 11 trillion chance it came from someone else.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 34s35 seconds ago
Now photo canvas diesel shoulder bag seized from 5 Maplegate Dr. in Etobicoke, which was Millard's home. DNA on bag cannot exclude Millard.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 59s59 seconds ago
Three black nitrile gloves found on Millard at arrest. Millard cannot be excluded as source of DNA.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5s6 seconds ago
Millard cannot be excluded as DNA match on second of three gloves.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s32 seconds ago
Smich could not be excluded from a cig. butt outside hangar door.
Millard could not be excluded from a canvas satchel seized from his house

 

[ThelmaLouise]

It is my feeling/opinion forming, that he probably held onto these items in order to have others take the wrap, if he was ever caught. It is easy to get sloppy, if you have done this twice before, and barely a question was asked. So some of the sloppy handling is ego driven, imo.
For the gloves, It could of been as simple as asking those girls to 'Put on the gloves and help me load up garbage, so you don't get stinky.' Or as complicated as them actually helping him. He had the illusion of money at the least,...no one else around him did. They probably all owed him in one way or another. They did as he said.
I think that is what got LB in trouble too.

 

[andreww]

WHERE WAS MS FROM TUESDAY ONWARD TO HELP DM? DM had to call upon CN to help him instead. IMO MS was staying as far away as possible from this criminal mess DM had made. MS probably only followed DM back to the farmland, and then just helped DM put TB's body in the incinerator, then following him to the hangar because it was DM's Yukon he was driving. Then waited with DM at the hangar, while the incinerator did it's thing because MS had no way of leaving, no transportation. I would imagine MS might have been in a state of shock (once DM shot TB) and just went along with DM fearing for his own life. Could that be why he took MM with him the one day to the hangar? MS figured with MM along DM wouldn't take the chance of doing anything to the two of them together? MOO.

Interesting point. Never considered the fact that Smich may not have been in on it. Something tells me there is a lot more to come out here. Smich's words to his GF to "don't tell them anything" leads me to believe that he's not an innocent pawn in this.

 

[Velma]

Millard's DNA could not be excluded from the inside of the black nitrile gloves, Sloots says. Chances of it coming from someone else is one in 610 trillion.
by Adam Carter 4:13 PM

Now we're looking at a green tarp that was found inside the trailer with Bosma's truck.
by Adam Carter 4:14 PM

Spots on the green tarp also tested positive for blood.
by Adam Carter 4:15 PM

 

[ArianeEmory]

For now I'm not seeing the significance of DM's DNA being on DM's man-purse, but I suppose we'll find out.

Thanks to transcribers.

 

[EspressoBean]

In my opinion, it is quite possible. Consider this quote from today's testimony.



Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Now the other side of same glove seized from Millard on arrest. Blood stain that was insufficient for DNA testing.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16s16 seconds ago
Now second glove. Stains from three individuals. Cannot get a DNA profile.

end of quote

If it meant 3 blood stains from 3 different individuals, it could be from WM, LB, and TB. If it meant 3 different dna traces that were stained to examine them, then it could mean that 3 different individuals wore those gloves. Can anyone else add more clarification ? I am not a forensic specialist.

It was not said that it was blood stains. There were stains of something containing DNA - blood, sweat, skin cells

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 45s46 seconds ago
Going back to black nitrile gloves. Millard could not be excluded as source of DNA. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s44 seconds ago
Now large green tarp found in trailer with #Bosma truck. #Bosma could not be excluded as DNA source of blood on tarp.