Bosma Murder Trial 03.03.16 - Day 19

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Back. Now looking at photos of the undercarriage of the truck. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Now photos of undercarriage of #Bosma truck.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
We're looking at main frame, passenger side. Lots of stains. Some have been diluted.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Staining seen on the outside passenger main frame which runs the length of the truck's undercarriage. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
He's showing us spatter stains with flow.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 56s57 seconds ago
Jones describes it as spatter stains, w altered stains and flows from the stains that have struck that frame. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Seeing closeup of altered or diluted stain.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Aren't journalists supposed to be unbiased? How can they write unbiased pieces if they are baiting the accused?

My opinion only.

You can't con an honest man.

 

[Velma]

There is staining outside the frame on the undercarriage of the truck. There are spattered stains, altered stains and flow stains, he says. "It would appear that there's some kind of dilution effect," Jones says. That could come from water flow from cleaning.
by Adam Carter 3:50 PM

This is the outside passenger main frame assembly.
by Adam Carter 3:51 PM

Some of the blood is diluted, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 3:51 PM

Court now seeing the back passenger step rail. There are some circular spatter stains on the chrome, but also some flow stains going down. "You can actually see where something has altered the stain, because it looks like there's flows coming from the stains themselves," Jones says.
by Adam Carter 3:53 PM

"Something else has caused this stain to start to flow," Jones says.
by Adam Carter 3:54 PM

Jones says there are two ways the blood could have gotten on the undercarriage. One is: "The height of the vehicle is 42 cm from the ground. The blood source for these stains had to be below 42 cm ... it would have to come from some place below."
by Adam Carter 3:56 PM

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
On back passenger step rail there are spatter and flow stains. Can see where something has altered the stains.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Spatter stain that is starting to dry and water is applied could produce this pattern.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s40 seconds ago
Height of step is 42 inches above ground. Blood source had to be below that, due to directionality.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Source of blood had to be somewhere in area of passenger door. Pool of blood formed there and someone has taken hose or power washer to it.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Splashes pool of blood to underneath truck. If vehicle driven away while flows still coming down would break up stain into spatter.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Pattern does not show truck drove through pool of blood. More consistent with a cleanup effort.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I can't remember if the bone fragments were physically present.

Those were most likely given to the family some time ago for burial.

 

[musicaljoke]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
On back passenger step rail there are spatter and flow stains. Can see where something has altered the stains.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Spatter stain that is starting to dry and water is applied could produce this pattern.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s40 seconds ago
Height of step is 42 inches above ground. Blood source had to be below that, due to directionality.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Source of blood had to be somewhere in area of passenger door. Pool of blood formed there and someone has taken hose or power washer to it.

42 cm?

 

[swedie]

If they didn't bother to notice the corn stalk in the seat, I'm not surprised that they missed a shell casing and we're assuming they only shot once. I'm thinking that most of this evidence is as a result of DM's plans being uprooted by the knowledge that AJ had called CS's. MOO

With the casing being found in the truck and your comment MsSherlock, now I'm thinking perhaps TB was shot more than once, multiple times and whoever shot him didn't recall how many times TB was shot, so when they cleaned up the truck, they found other casings and thought they had them all. HTH, if TB was only shot once, could they now know they casing was somewhere in the truck still? UNLESS they thought it exited through the shattered passenger window... MOO.

IMO whoever was the shooter would have had to put the gun to TB's left in order for the passenger side window to be shattered. The casing would have ejected toward the back seat area, and would have landed either centre or to driver's side of TB's truck. IMO I honestly think the argument about where the shell casing was found is a moot point. Being as TB's truck was moved more than once, up ramps and winced upward into the trailer, the casing could have rolled around and ended up where it was found. What might be more important and telling is when/if we hear whether there TB's blood found in the Yukon. If MS was the shooter and sitting in the back seat at the time TB was shot, no doubt MS would have had blood and matter all over himself and then would have transferred it into the Yukon. IF no blood was found in the Yukon, I would suggest MS wasn't in TB's truck when TB was shot, thus making DM the shooter. Of course unless MS hopped out after the shooting and stripped off his clothing, in the field before getting into the Yukon. IMO I don't see that happened as they would have wanted to get out of that area ASAP.
ALL MOO.

As seen in this video, the discharged casing leaving the gun, ejects to the right and back. So how did the casing end up on the passenger side? IMO it rolled there at some point when TB's truck was being moved into or out of the trailer or when they were stripping the carpet out, when it was pulled up per say, the casing rolled there. Again, I think it's a moot point as to where the casing was found, in trying to determine who the actual shooter was. The more important evidence will be IF blood was found in the Yukon.
ALL MOO again.

[video=youtube;LPHbxJo562g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPHbxJo562g[/video]

 

[Kamille]

So it appears that the expert believes that there was a pool of blood outside the passenger door, on the ground, and a hose was taken to it. And possibly the truck was driven over the puddle. Which caused the spatter under the vehicle.

Well that's better than some of the alternative theories I suppose.

MOO

 

[brightii]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
On back passenger step rail there are spatter and flow stains. Can see where something has altered the stains.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Spatter stain that is starting to dry and water is applied could produce this pattern.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s40 seconds ago
Height of step is 42 inches above ground. Blood source had to be below that, due to directionality.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Source of blood had to be somewhere in area of passenger door. Pool of blood formed there and someone has taken hose or power washer to it.

AC reported cms which makes more sense, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[Velma]

"What it appears has happened is a pool of blood has formed in that area, and it looks like someone has taken a house with a spray nozzle on it or a power washer and cleaned up that area."
by Adam Carter 3:57 PM

The blood starts on the passenger side door, towards the back of the front door, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 3:59 PM

"Spatter stains are created when blood is dispersed by some sort of force," Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:02 PM

 

[Kamille]

42 cm?

According to AC...yes. Error in SC's tweet it appears.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
Spatter expert says blood source in #TimBosma truck was in the front passenger side. Blood under truck started there; nothing on front tires

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Expert says it looks like someone hosed most blood off #TimBosma truck then maybe drove away

 

[Velma]

Now looking at a photo of bloodstains on the muffler. "Those stains are oval in shape, but they have a tail on them. They're moving from the front to the vehicle to the rear of the vehicle," Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:05 PM


by Adam Carter 4:06 PM

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Seeing close ups of various blood stains on undercarriage.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Blood spatter on muffler has directional tails.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 35s35 seconds ago
The higher the angle at which spatter strikes surface, the longer the tail. On muffler, source is likely from the tire area.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Spatter on shock, support and rear axle.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I know there is not much to be grateful for here, but I'm glad the undercarriage stains aren't from something worse.

 

[Velma]

With stains like these, there have to be an angle involved, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:07 PM

Stains like this look like originating somewhere in the area of the front tire going back, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:09 PM

Now seeing some blood stains on the Breake. There are small red spatter stains.
by Adam Carter 4:10 PM

What is a Breake? Does he mean 'break'?

Also spatter stains on the shock, support and rear axle, court hears.
by Adam Carter 4:10 PM

None of the stains seen on the undercarriage are inconsistent with a power washer or a hose hitting blood, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:14 PM

 

[Kamille]

With stains like these, there have to be an angle involved, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:07 PM

Stains like this look like originating somewhere in the area of the front tire going back, Jones says.
by Adam Carter 4:09 PM

Now seeing some blood stains on the Breake. There are small red spatter stains.
by Adam Carter 4:10 PM

What is a Breake? Does he mean 'break'?

Also spatter stains on the shock, support and rear axle, court hears.
by Adam Carter 4:10 PM

Probably means brake. Like under the vehicle on the passenger rear wheel.

MOO

 

[Velma]

Probably means brake. Like under the vehicle on the passenger rear wheel.

MOO

That makes perfect sense, why didn't I think of that? Haha.

 

[flipflop]

Child-like documents? Yeah, that's not the slightest bit creepy, considering there are a grand total of ZERO children connected to this case.

Just starting to read up on todays proceedings. This may have been suggested, but perhaps the backpack was in TB's truck and the child documents were TB's daughters?

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
More spatter on shock and support. Consistent with hose or power washer hitting blood and spraying it upward.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Jones says there were "hundreds" of spatter spots underneath the #Bosma truck.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"Cleanup followed by a drive created these patterns?" asks Leitch. Jones agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Rear tire passenger side has blood on it.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Rear wheel well, passenger side has blood stains. So does frame bracket.