Bosma Murder Trial 05.03.16 - Day 44

[JPC]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16m16 minutes ago
Dell was against drinking too much, Pillay puts to Noudga, who agrees. Millard would tell Smich to stay off the booze.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16m16 minutes ago
Pillay suggests Millard thought too much drinking was a bad thing. "It is a bad thing," she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: Dell was against drinking too much? Noudga agrees #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
Noudga reviewing statement where she said Millard told Smich to stay sober and he would give him work. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 16m16 minutes ago
Noudga says #Millard didn't like the idea of drinking too much.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16m16 minutes ago
Pillay suggests Millard was encouraging Mark to get his driver's license. She says she doesn't recall specifics of the conversation. #Bosna

If he didn't have a job or a drivers license who was buying the booze? DM? Still not sure how she can say that she thought that the letters were not evidence and just love letters when DM has written "destroy after reading" on most of them. What a farce! I would still like to know who is paying for her legal counsel? DM was pretty quick to have a lawyer lined up for AM (not that he used it) I am on a plane to London tomorrow and will miss everything but all I can say is that I can't wait for TD and the hammer to fall.

 

[MorningStar22]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Millard would never leave Pedo alone with Mark, right? No. Noudga agrees.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
She does agree he never left the dog with Mark. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
Millard would leave Pedo with Noudga on occasion, says Pillay. She agrees. When they travelled, left Pedo with his mom.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
"He would never leave Pedo alone with Mark right?" "No," answers Noudga

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga agrees her memory is poor from that time. She was occupied with school and work. Doesn't remember sending/receiving some msgs

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
She agrees may 2013 was a busy time in her life and that's why she's having trouble remembering details. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
A number of things from May 2013 that she doesn't remember. Goes to her evidence re: incinerator. She asked Millard what it was for.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Pillay wants to go to her evidence re: the incinerator. She asked Millard what it was for but can't remember when. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Now on the incinerator. "I asked him what it was for, yes." It was a number of years ago & Noudga doesn't remember circumstances

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
She doesn't remember when she asked. She thinks it was at barn, but she's guessing. It wasn't significant to her.

 

[EspressoBean]

I'm finding it so interesting that she said she was getting stoned more than once a day while attending Uni, getting good grades and working as a lifeguard.....

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She thinks it was at the barn when she saw it first. But agrees she doesn't know for sure. "We don't want you to guess," Pillay says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
"I think it was at the barn when I saw it for the first time." Noudga says she's guessing. Eliminator didn't register as important.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
"I just asked him, he told me and that was good enough for me," she says. Agrees she may have been stoned at the time. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
"I just asked him and he answered and that was good enough for me." She may have been stoned at the time. She smoked every day or even more.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
They were smoking marijuana "more than once a day" and that may have impacted her memory as well, Noudga says

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 13m13 minutes ago
Now talking about eliminator.NOT important to her. Didn't know much about it. Didn't really ask. Was getting stoned "more than everyday"

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Agrees her recollection of that conversation may be compromised by marijuana impairment.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
She said he told her it was used to burn metals. Pillay says she was a science geek, so was Millard, she knows metal doesn't burn. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
They are both "science geeks." Millard said it was for burning metal. "Well, like melting metal. I used the term burning improperly."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga and Millard consider themselves "science geeks." Millard said the incinerator was for burning metal. "You know metal doesn't burn?"

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 13m13 minutes ago
Pillay says DM and CN were science geeks. That she saw it only at barn. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She says he wouldn't have said it like that. Agrees her testimony was "scientifically" wrong. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
She doesn't really remember. It was a long time ago. Didn't register to her as being important. #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

I'm a bit behind guys, but working on it. Is someone else picking up Adam Carter?

 

[Nosey Parker]

I'm a bit behind guys, but working on it. Is someone else picking up Adam Carter?

You are doing great and much appreciated. Thank you.

 

[MorningStar22]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga says what she meant was that the incinerator would melt metal.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
Pillay characterizes them both as "science geeks." #TimBosma #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
She agrees she doesn't know what exactly he said. Pillay suggests he said it was for business and she made that assumption.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 14m14 minutes ago
Therefore says she knew the evidence she gave that Millard said he bought it to burn metal was wrong. "Melting metal," she says. #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Pillay says Millard was in the habit of texting her to let him know when he was on his way to get her. She agrees. #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
That often while he was driving he'd send "mistyped" texts as a result. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Millard would usually text before picking Noudga up, sometimes while driving, and often the messages had mistakes.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga agrees sometimes Millard would text her as he was driving, and they'd be sent "mistyped." She says it happened often #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Pillay referencing portion of letter that referenced Smich and graffiti. #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
Millard would text her before he arrived to pick her up. Sometimes there were "mistypes."...She knew Smich did graffiti...Showing her texts.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 14m14 minutes ago
We're now seeing more texts between her and Millard. #TimBosma #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Pillay showing texts btwn her and Millard. She texts him April 3, 2013 asking "Mark ever graffiti around High Park?" #Bosma
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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Message from Noudga Apr 2013: "Mark ever graffiti around high park?" Millard: Yea. She sends pic. Millard: haha, thats my dawg
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Message from Noudga Apr 2013: "Mark ever graffiti around high park?" Millard: Yea. She sends pic. Millard: haha, thats my dawg


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Millard: "yea." She says "this was at High Park" (there's a photo showing a 'Say10' tag on a wall). Millard: "haha that's my dawg" #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
This is from April 2013. In it, she asks Millard, "Mark ever graffiti around High Park?" #TimBosma #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
She then sends a photo of a tag that says "Say10." He responds, "haha that's my dawg." #TImBosma #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
Texts being shown on screens. April 3, 2013. Kinks: Mark ever graffiti around high park? Millard: yea


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga says the picture shows graffiti that says SAY10. We see it now. The tagger also wrote TXD. #TimBosma

 

[MorningStar22]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
Kinks: sends him a photo "This was at high park" (she tells court it's a tag: Say10) We see photo of big, blue graffiti on a wall.


Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 14m14 minutes ago
She says she saw it and texted it to millard. Asked him if it was smichs tag. It was. @AM900CHML


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Now onto may 10, 2013. #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
She spent early morning hours with Millard before he left for work. She agrees he had an important mtg that day. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
May 10, 2013, Noudga and Millard woke up together then he went off to "important meeting" with accountant. She knew a week in advance


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
May 10, 2013. She spends early morning with Millard, then he goes to work. He had important meeting with accountant. She was lifeguarding.


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga was working at the time. they'd arranged that was going to pick her up that night. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14m14 minutes ago
Noudga was working that evening and expected Millard to pick her up afterwards. She couldn't reach him. "I thought it was odd."


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
Millard was to pick her up from work that night. She couldn't reach him. "It was odd, considering we were supposed to meet up," she says.


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
When she couldn't get ahold of him, she thought it was odd. She messaged him and got nothing. #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga now talking about how she couldn't get a hold of Millard on May 10, when he was arrested, and she found it odd. #TimBosma #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Around 9pm she sends a text to Smich. Talks to him a few mins later. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
At 9:09 pm Noudga messaged Smich & they spoke a few minutes later.

 

[MorningStar22]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
9:09 pm she texts Smich. Then 249 second conversation, says Pillay. Noudga says she thought it was more than 500 seconds. Pillay is correct.
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
Pillay now asking about the conversation she had with Smich by phone that night. #TimBosma #Bosma
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
Roughly a four minute phone call. She told police about that call in her statement. "You told them the truth," Pillay suggests. She agrees.
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14m14 minutes ago
It was a four-minute conversation with Smich. Noudga told police about it. #TimBosma
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
She told police about the call to Smich. Pillay takes her to her statement. #Bosma
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
He's taking her to that statement now. #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
In it she says she called Mark cause he'd been hanging out with Dell. She says Mark " told me something happened but not to panic." #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
"Called Mark because he's been hanging out with Mark late recently." Mark tells her not to panic, which makes her panic.


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
In her statement to police, Noudga says Mark told her not to panic, and that he said he screwed up, but everything will be fine


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She told police he said "I screwed up but everything's going to be fine." #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She says she doesn't remember if he said "he we I she them." She doesn't remember which pronoun was used. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
Noudga "I don't remember if it was he, I we she, they," screwed up. She originally told police Mark said he screwed up


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
"**** went down," said Mark. "I screwed up," said Mark.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 12m12 minutes ago
Pillay now referring to one of her police statements. "Mark starts telling me that something happened but not to panic." #TimBosma #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
"But you were telling the truth," Pillay says. "You said he said 'I'" she agrees that's what she said. #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
"In the meantime, he's making me panic ... you know what, I screwed up, but everything's going to be fine." #TimBosma #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
She said Smich's words had opposite effect and made her start to panic. #TimBosma


Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 13m13 minutes ago
Pilllay asking about a 4 minute call to MS may 10. She is foggy on details. Her statement to police says smich told her "I screwed up"


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
Noudga says she doesn't remember specifically if Smich said I, we, he, or they in that call. #TImBosma #Bosma


Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 13m13 minutes ago
She testifies she doesn't remember "I,me,we, but clearly I told police "I".


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
"Mark starts like frantically talking to me...something went wrong...he did something...but I don't have to worry" her statement said #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 12m12 minutes ago
In the police statement, Noudga says "he did something," referring to Smich. #TimBosma #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She says now she said that then but she doesn't remember pronoun. #Bosma


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13m13 minutes ago
"Right now I don't remember the pronoun, but that's what I said then," she says now. #TimBosma #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
She says she was not lying to police. It was the second time she said Mark said he did something.


Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 12m12 minutes ago
Says she wasn't lying to police. And that this was the second time MS told her he had done something" @AM900CHML


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
"Mark starts like frantically talking to me telling me not to panic...It was completely like 'Christina, some **** went down.'"

 

[MorningStar22]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
She said to cops that she asked him "what do you mean Mark? What **** did you do?" #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
She told police she asked Smich "What sh** did YOU do?" Then Smich told her he was sure Millard was fine.


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11m11 minutes ago
"So my assumption, what I thought it was, Mark was blaming himself in saying **** went down," she said. She agrees that was her statement.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 11m11 minutes ago
"So my assumption, what I thought it was, was the way Mark acted on the phone ..." #TimBosma #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 11m11 minutes ago
"The way Mark acted on the phone, he was blaming himself," Noudga told police. "It was all frantically said," She says now.


Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 11m11 minutes ago
"...he was blaming himself in saying **** went down," Noudga says in her statement. #TimBosma #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11m11 minutes ago
"The way Mark reacted on the phone, he was blaming himself and saying '**** went down,'" Noudga says in police statement. #Bosma


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Leitch objects and says Pillay read only half of her response and asks that she read the entire thing. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
Crown has objection. Wants full answer from statement to be read in court. #TimBosma

 

[caseyjonesin905]

RP is a terrible lawyer.. lol That's his whole cross.. I can't wait for TD to get a hold of this one!!!!

 

[SomeITGuy]

TD's up for cross, S**t's about to get real!!!

 

[MorningStar22]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 11m11 minutes ago
Leitch objects, and says Pillay only read half the answer. #TimBosma #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11m11 minutes ago
Judge tells Pillay to put quote in its context. Crown Leitch objects and asks full quote be read. "I thought Dellen was helping Mark out."


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
It continues: "I thought Dellen was helping Mark out in the case, like helping him...cause that was his personality..."


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11m11 minutes ago
Dellen would have helped Mark out of his situation. "He's a very loyal person." #bosma

 

[Typhoo1961]

Off topic but Kodiak's were hip hop/rap fashion in the 70's? I knew they were trendy with teenagers but I didn't know they were connected with hip hop/rapper culture?

There was no hip hop/rap fashion in the 70's. Thank goodness.