Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[Wudge]

Wudge, I am still wondering if JMK will actually be transferred to CO. Someone mentioned that DA Mary Lacy seemed to be backing off on the alleged inculpatory email statements, as they have found mention of some of these statements on websites. It appears that CO is definitely using the CA holding cell to buy time in their investigation. While the Karr family hasn't yet located a photograph, as evidence of JMK's attendance during Christmas 1996, neither have we heard, excepting JMK's alleged confession, of evidence of Karr being in CO at that time. In the same breath, Michael Tracey's credibility is being questioned because of past allegedly illicit actions.

Buzz, we really have no clue as to what the D.A., Mary Lacy, had included in the affidavit, but we can adduce it is likely to be related to Karr having non-public knowlegde of something deemed to be sighnificant.

In most criminal cases, time works for the State. I wouldn't be in any hurry to get Karr back to Boulder either.

ETA: I saw the Tracey thread. But Karr sought out Tracey, and Tracey ended up refferring Karr to the D.A.. That storyline about Tracey is a path to nowhere.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I heard a little bit ago on CTV that the CO DA's office released a statement stating that they will be picking him up but they are not going to release when.

They released that statement yesterday immediately after the extradition hearing. I think CO is scrambling, attempting to find some bit of information, that links JMK to CO in late December, 1996. Phone calls, charge card records, anything at all.

 

[close_enough]

They released that statement yesterday immediately after the extradition hearing. I think CO is scrambling, attempting to find some bit of information, that links JMK to CO in late December, 1996. Phone calls, charge card records, anything at all.

i think you're right Buzz...i think if they had concrete evidence that he's 'the guy', he'd already be in custody in Boulder....

 

[MrsMush99]

They released that statement yesterday immediately after the extradition hearing. I think CO is scrambling, attempting to find some bit of information, that links JMK to CO in late December, 1996. Phone calls, charge card records, anything at all.

Why don't they just do the darn DNA test??

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, we really have no clue as to what the D.A., Mary Lacy, had included in the affidavit, but we can adduce it is likely to be related to Karr having non-public knowlegde of something deemed to be sighnificant.

In most criminal cases, time works for the State. I wouldn't be in any hurry to get Karr back to Boulder either.

Karr could end up working for CBI, as he most likely knows the ins, and outs, of sexually sadistic pedo websites, and may have even conversed online with the actual perp in this case. That would certainly be a twist.

 

[JDB]

i think you're right Buzz...i think if they had concrete evidence that he's 'the guy', he'd already be in custody in Boulder....

I agree Close enough.This is nothing but a red herring. I hope Tracey is happy with being outted again.After e-mailing back and forth with Karr for 4 years he finally went to the Police in may of this year? And if that is the case why did the BPD wait until Patsy death to go after Karr?

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, we really have no clue as to what the D.A., Mary Lacy, had included in the affidavit, but we can adduce it is likely to be related to Karr having non-public knowlegde of something deemed to be sighnificant.

In most criminal cases, time works for the State. I wouldn't be in any hurry to get Karr back to Boulder either.

ETA: I saw the Tracey thread. But Karr sought out Tracey, and Tracey ended up refferring Karr to the D.A.. That storyline about Tracey is a path to nowhere.

Let's for a minute, suppose that JMK did get on sexually sadisitic pedo websites; with JMK's obsession with Jon Benet, he would have attracted the attention of other pedos also obsessed with Jon Benet, especially the actual perp. If JMK began discussing the crime with the actual perp, he quite possibly learned a lot about the actual crime, and adopted that version in his emails to Tracey.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Timing uncertain for Karr's transfer to Colorado

LOS ANGELES (AP) — John Mark Karr "marches to the beat of a different drummer" and is anxious to travel to Colorado to face the allegations against him in the slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, an attorney says.
But the timing of his trip is up to authorities, who have been tightlipped about when he'll be transferred.

Karr agreed Tuesday to go to Colorado without a fight about extradition. In a two-minute court appearance he was impassive and his expression changed only once when he slowly closed his eyes as the judge recited the count of first-degree murder that Boulder, Colo. prosecutors included in an arrest warrant.

The comments about Karr's personality and mental state came from attorney Jamie Harmon, who attended Tuesday's hearing and whose partner, Patience Van Zandt, represented Karr when he was charged in 2001 with possessing child *advertiser censored* in Northern California.

"He wants to go now," said Harmon. "Mr. Karr has been portrayed by the media as of late as being mentally unstable, attention-seeking, unwell, mentally unwell. And he is none of those things. He is anxious to have an opportunity to address the allegations against him, to be portrayed in a more accurate and complete way."

The attorney, who said she and Van Zandt, would be advising Karr in some capacity, said Karr was "not subject to ready categorization or easy answers."

"You've heard the expression, 'He marches to the beat of a different drummer?' John Karr marches to the beat of a different drummer," Harmon said.

She described him as intelligent and unusual.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-23-karr-ramsey-colorado_x.htm?csp=34

 

[muffinrose]

This may have already been discussed and I apologize if so, but I believe that someone else was with JMK and did the actual crime and it will be that person's DNA. This is the same person who has been paying for all JMK's travels and medical.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr's family offers book, movie rights

LOS ANGELES - John Mark Karr's relatives offered the movie and book rights to the family's story Wednesday in hopes of hiring a high-level attorney to defend the schoolteacher against charges he killed 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey.

Karr's father and brother hired actor, author and producer Larry Garrison to represent them in any media deals and to help them find a top attorney to represent Karr, who is in a Los Angeles jail awaiting transfer to Colorado to face allegations he killed the girl in 1996.

Garrison told The Associated Press that while the family's film and book rights are secured, no money has changed hands yet. He said he promised the Karrs a portion of any money made by the effort.

"They're not looking for money for themselves," Garrison said. "They're looking to support John's boys' college education and to make sure all legal fees are covered."

Karr's brother, Nate Karr, confirmed to the AP on Wednesday that Garrison now represents the Karr family.

Garrison has written and produced several news films and had minor acting roles. He said that the family will be looking for a well-known attorney to represent Karr.

"Right now he's got a public defender to represent him," Garrison said. "It's their desire to get someone high-level."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_277

Yes, but rest assured, GA is going to be the agent for the story right from the horse's mouth.

 

[Wudge]

Let's for a minute, suppose that JMK did get on sexually sadisitic pedo websites; with JMK's obsession with Jon Benet, he would have attracted the attention of other pedos also obsessed with Jon Benet, especially the actual perp. If JMK began discussing the crime with the actual perp, he quite possibly learned a lot about the actual crime, and adopted that version in his emails to Tracey.

When we have strong evidence, I like to keep my laser focused on it.

Outside of Karr's confession, the extremely important evidence remains that long before JonBenet's murder, Karr's handwriting shows compelling matches with the handwriting in the ransom note. Further, his yearbook closing supports the closing in the ransom note; i.e., S.B.T.C..

That Karr has long had some kind of sexual focus on little girls appears near assured. That too would work hard against Karr. And his lack of even a decent alibi hurts a lot. Worse still, his lack of an alibi could work against him even moreso if, year after year, Karr is in Xmas pictures other than 1996.

Karr is an extremely strong suspect. Unless exonerating evidence is produced, I expect a trial or a plea bargain.

With the evidence we know of that would work for the State, I just don't see cause to play aroiund in more than one rat hole at this time. (chuckle)

 

[close_enough]

I agree Close enough.This is nothing but a red herring. I hope Tracey is happy with being outted again.After e-mailing back and forth with Karr for 4 years he finally went to the Police in may of this year? And if that is the case why did the BPD wait until Patsy death to go after Karr?

4 yrs a bit long to be 'investigating' this freaks emails/obsession of JBR, IMO....i wouldn't be surprised if Tracey didn't throw out 'things' relating to the crime scene...from everything i've read lately, this Tracey guy seems quite sleazy......

 

[Buzz Mills]

Answers awaited in Colorado

CASE CLOSED?

Uh, not exactly. The growing doubt over the alleged confession of John Mark Karr, the nomadic teacher who claims he was involved in the sensational 1996 slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey is complicating efforts to close the book on the 10-year-old case.

But in a warped way, the lingering questions over his statements half a world away in Thailand are good news for somebody: The TV news honchos who have turned the girl's grisly death into a bizarre cottage industry.

Karr's creepy countenance has become familiar to millions of Americans since his arrest last week, a shocking development in a case that was about to be relegated with the macarena and Monica to the 1990s trivia file.

Yesterday - wearing an orange jail jumpsuit and handcuffs chained around his waist - Karr, 41, waived extradition to Boulder, Colo., to face charges that he killed JonBenet.

So what's really going on here, and why has a Colorado cold case bumped real news stories from Iraq to New Orleans right off the TV screen? We're here to help with some questions and answers:

Q. Who is John Mark Karr?

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/15338116.htm?source=rss&channel=dailynews_local

 

[close_enough]

is there something i can click to find older threads/posts??.....there was soooo much info on this case, prior to this new 'thang' happening...wish BlueCrab was here...

 

[Zelda]

An article in today's Rocky Mountain News says that there may have been a check stub for $118,000 that the perp may have seen when he was rummaging around the house. Then it goes on to say the $118,000 was awarded JR in December but not paid until January 1997.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4937848,00.html

 

[Buzz Mills]

When we have strong evidence, I like to keep my laser focused on it.

Outside of Karr's confession, the extremely important evidence remains that long before JonBenet's murder, Karr's handwriting shows compelling matches with the handwriting in the ransom note. Further, his yearbook closing supports the closing in the ransom note; i.e., S.B.T.C..

That Karr has long had some kind of sexual focus on little girls appears near assured. That too would work hard against Karr. And his lack of even a decent alibi hurts a lot. Worse still, his lack of an alibi could work against him even moreso if, year after year, Karr is in Xmas pictures other than 1996.

Karr is an extremely strong suspect. Unless exonerating evidence is produced, I expect a trial or a plea bargain.

With the evidence we know of that would work for the State, I just don't see cause to play aroiund in more than one rat hole at this time. (chuckle)

Evidence against Karr
1. Karr's confession.
2. Inculpatory email statements
3. Karr's handwriting.
4. S.B.T.C.
5. Obsession with little girls
6. Lack of an alibi.

Evidence against Karr being the actual perp
1. Just words
2. Could be known by many internet posters, Tracey's credibility
3. Could be practiced
4. Need to know more about Karr's use of S.B.T.C.
5. Lots of pedos around
6 Lack of evidence he was in CO

 

[SewingDeb]

This is contrary to reports that the family found photos but none included JMK:
Georgia attorney Gary Harris, who had represented Wexford and Nate Karr in recent days, has said that the family found a photo from Christmas 1996 that indicates Karr was in Atlanta, not Colorado, at the time of Ramsey's death.

Harris no longer represents Wexford and Nate Karr, Garrison said, but a family photo has been turned over to Boulder authorities. He could not say what the photo shows.

"I can tell you they proclaim his innocence," Garrison said. "They feel he was not there at the time, that some of the statements made by the press are absurd."

http://www.forbes.com/business/services/feeds/ap/2006/08/23/ap2968624.html

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

Karr still needs to be placed in Boulder in 1996. Also waiting on DNA tests still. These two things are very key.

As for the "Shall Be The Conqueror" in Karr's yearbook...so I far I see it as a coincidence. Unless it can be shown that's a phrase he used beyond his high school years up to the murder...I find it odd to hinge so much on it, as he did write it how many years ago?
And then in writing the RO suddenly decides to sign off with it?

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

This is contrary to reports that the family found photos but none included JMK:
Georgia attorney Gary Harris, who had represented Wexford and Nate Karr in recent days, has said that the family found a photo from Christmas 1996 that indicates Karr was in Atlanta, not Colorado, at the time of Ramsey's death.

Harris no longer represents Wexford and Nate Karr, Garrison said, but a family photo has been turned over to Boulder authorities. He could not say what the photo shows.

"I can tell you they proclaim his innocence," Garrison said. "They feel he was not there at the time, that some of the statements made by the press are absurd."

http://www.forbes.com/business/services/feeds/ap/2006/08/23/ap2968624.html

Very interesting indeed...

 

[close_enough]

Karr still needs to be placed in Boulder in 1996. Also waiting on DNA tests still. These two things are very key.
As for the "Shall Be The Conqueror" in Karr's yearbook...so I far I see it as a coincidence. Unless it can be shown that's a phrase he used beyond his high school years up to the murder...I find it odd to hinge so much on it, as he did write it how many years ago?
And then in writing the RO suddenly decides to sign off with it?

i agree SS....the handwriting experts will battle over this forever, so IMO, it's not going to convict Karr of anything...they need to place him in Boulder with a DNA match...