Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

[Madeleine74]

Ah but it means everything, to the court, to the appeals court, to the Supreme Court. It's the bread & butter for lawyers like Zellner. No one has to like it or agree with it, but those are the rules and laws they live with. Zellner knows this completely.

You don't get to stand in a courtroom and stomp your foot and say "but that's not faiiiirrrrrrr." It's an adversarial system and both sides play their part. The state has burden, per the US Constitution. However, once convicted the burden shifts. The CoA upheld SA's conviction. Now it comes down to proving innocence, not just reasonable doubt. These are seriously high stakes for any convicted person.

Feelings have nothing to do with this; this is down to (in essence) "put up or shut up" time for the court. This is the most important aspect of this or any case especially at this point. Dredging up aspects of the investigation that are not part of the court record and will not be part of Zellner's case for innocence might be amusing for case followers, but that's all it is.

Zellner is not going to throw everything against the wall, like spaghetti. She'd be escorted out of court if she attempted that. Her argument will be focused.

 

[Madeleine74]

Hmmm, sounds similar to a coerced confession. Saying anything to get the harassment to stop. Not saying that was why it was said, but wouldn't surprise me.

Harassment? SA said it some years after he was convicted and no one was asking him about it. He offered it up.

 

[Karinna]

You've asked that same question like 3 times now. And no one here can possibly answer it. If you want to know how 'they' would explain it, then contact them (Manitowoc County or WI DOJ) and ask. They all have email; maybe they'll surprise you and answer. The evidence is what it is. The trial record and testimony is what it is. Muscle tissue was found and was tested and according to the tests, it matched TH. I use the trial record as the basis for the evidence.

Could you please point out where i have asked that question x 3 times. Thanks

 

[Madeleine74]

Could you please point out where i have asked that question x 3 times. Thanks

You can search your own posts and find it.

 

[Karinna]

But see, the thing about trial evidence is that it is only as good as what is allowed into evidence. If you have dishonest investigators, possibly exculpatory evidence is withheld. Just because evidence was presented at trial, does not mean that it tells the whole story. Read the link I posted about Kevin Fox. Investigators found a pair of boots that actually had the name of the real killer printed inside them. They ignored this evidence and went after Kevin. So the boots were not presented at trial, but that didn't mean Kevin was guilty. He was completely innocent and the real killer was eventually arrested and prosecuted. Kevin was exonerated and won a civil suit. There is case after case like this. So some of us don't feel that just because something "wasn't presented at trial" , it means a darn thing.

Exactly.

 

[Karinna]

You can search your own posts and find it.

But you made the comment and i know that doesn't exist. I have posted up information relevent to my research is all on forensics and burned/charred bodies. But i stand to be corrected if you can prove it.

 

[Madeleine74]

But you made the comment and i know that doesn't exist. I have posted up information relevent to my research is all on forensics and burned/charred bodies. But i stand to be corrected if you can prove it.

Since you asked, here are just some of the references you've made and questioning about charred bones in high heat, TH's bones not positively IDd, and asking how it's possible. I said there were "like 3 times" but it's more than that. (FYI, there was DNA testing that linked at least one bone to TH's PAP test. That's fact and it's in testimony).

- 09-15 11:10pm
- 09-11 12:00am
- 09-10 10:33pm
- 09-10 10:56am
- 09-01 11:32am
- 09-01 08:43am
- 08-20 03:32am

Still denying this has been mentioned/questioned before?

 

[Karinna]

Since you asked, here are just some of the references you've made and questioning about charred bones in high heat, TH's bones not positively IDd, and asking how it's possible. I said there were "like 3 times" but it's more than that. (FYI, there was DNA testing that linked at least one bone to TH's PAP test. That's fact and it's in testimony).

- 09-15 11:10pm
- 09-11 12:00am
- 09-10 10:33pm
- 09-10 10:56am
- 09-01 11:32am
- 09-01 08:43am
- 08-20 03:32am

Still denying this has been mentioned/questioned before?

I haven't denied mentioning that, no. I have posted my research on what i found in regard to that. I find it very interesting and that's all. I think from what i have read about the subject it bears questioning in this case, and if you have a problem with that please just ignore.

 

[dexter75]

And the jury never got to consider that the Coroner was blocked from going to the scene. It wasn't allowed. It's in the transcript that I linked. Personally, for me (and Jaiddie LOL), it's a big deal, I don't think we are alone. JMO

Nope, not alone. Never alone:blowkiss:

 

[Karinna]

I'm still waiting on confirmation that they searched the nightstand 8 times. :thinking:

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You misunderstood that post, it was a hypothetical question.

 

[IDK]

Anyone with a basic interest in the justice system and basic google skills can easily find multiple accounts of law enforcement planting evidence. It is not rare. I'm not sure why this is so hard for some people to believe.

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/05...ases-of-cops-caught-planting-evidence-videos/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/philly-cop-admits-to-years-of-planting-evidence-and-stealing-cash/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

[Karinna]

Anyone with a basic interest in the justice system and basic google skills can easily find multiple accounts of law enforcement planting evidence. It is not rare. Take off the blinders.

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/05...ases-of-cops-caught-planting-evidence-videos/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/philly-cop-admits-to-years-of-planting-evidence-and-stealing-cash/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Thanks for the links IDK. I believe most people are aware of the things discussed about with the corruption that goes on in positions of authority, and it is one of the very problematic issues nowadays with entrusting those that abuse the publics trust.

 

[IDK]

Nope, not alone. Never alone:blowkiss:

I'm still waiting for someone to provide an innocent explanation as to why it was fine to bar the coroner from the alleged crime scene. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a looooong time for that.

 

[Karinna]

I'm still waiting for someone to provide an innocent explanation as to why it was fine to bar the coroner from the alleged crime scene. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a looooong time for that.

You're probably right there IDK, Didn't KZ mention about that being in violation of WI Statute? So in other words illegal?

 

[Karinna]

Defending the Childhood of Brendan Dassey
(quote)
Viewers flock to Netflix to watch the series because the story seems extraordinary, but as advocates at the National Juvenile Defender Center and the Campaign for the Fair Sentencing of Youth, we know what happened to Brendan is not at all unusual. High stakes interrogations, stressful double-digit plea bargaining, and inadequate representation can lead to life sentences like Brendan’s that disregard the qualities of adolescence and a child’s capacity for change. When we look at our own kids the solution is obvious: Children are different from adults and require more protection, especially against the power of the state and the court.

If the justice system had protected Brendan’s rights in an age-appropriate manner, his case would have been handled very differently.

(modsnip)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-dvorchak/defending-the-childhood-of-brendan-dassey_b_9210678.html

 

[RANCH]

Since you asked, here are just some of the references you've made and questioning about charred bones in high heat, TH's bones not positively IDd, and asking how it's possible. I said there were "like 3 times" but it's more than that. (FYI, there was DNA testing that linked at least one bone to TH's PAP test. That's fact and it's in testimony).

- 09-15 11:10pm
- 09-11 12:00am
- 09-10 10:33pm
- 09-10 10:56am
- 09-01 11:32am
- 09-01 08:43am
- 08-20 03:32am

Still denying this has been mentioned/questioned before?

Thanks for the great post.

 

[RANCH]

Anyone with a basic interest in the justice system and basic google skills can easily find multiple accounts of law enforcement planting evidence. It is not rare. I'm not sure why this is so hard for some people to believe.

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/05...ases-of-cops-caught-planting-evidence-videos/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-reveals-planting-evidence-lying-part-game/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/philly-cop-admits-to-years-of-planting-evidence-and-stealing-cash/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Pointing to cases where LE has planted evidence does not mean that they planted evidence in this case. I haven't seen anyone claim that LE never plants evidence and for that reason it couldn't have happen in this case. JMO

 

[IDK]

Pointing to cases where LE has planted evidence does not mean that they planted evidence in this case. I haven't seen anyone claim that LE never plants evidence and for that reason it couldn't have happen in this case. JMO

Feel free to ignore if not relevant to you. This was posted for those who feel that only true facts are ever entered into courtroom evidence and who don't see the broader picture.

 

[IDK]

Defending the Childhood of Brendan Dassey
(quote)
Viewers flock to Netflix to watch the series because the story seems extraordinary, but as advocates at the National Juvenile Defender Center and the Campaign for the Fair Sentencing of Youth, we know what happened to Brendan is not at all unusual. High stakes interrogations, stressful double-digit plea bargaining, and inadequate representation can lead to life sentences like Brendan’s that disregard the qualities of adolescence and a child’s capacity for change. When we look at our own kids the solution is obvious: Children are different from adults and require more protection, especially against the power of the state and the court.

If the justice system had protected Brendan’s rights in an age-appropriate manner, his case would have been handled very differently.

(modsnip)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-dvorchak/defending-the-childhood-of-brendan-dassey_b_9210678.html

Thanks for bringing the thread back to Brendan!

 

[Karinna]

Thanks for bringing the thread back to Brendan!

You're welcome IDK, and i hope we get some good news for Brendan soon.