GUILTY Brock Turner, college swimmer, CONVICTED of rape - sentenced to only 6 months in jail

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Sonya610 said:
That is a big one IMO.

As far as addressing the problem of rape on campus, I think the varied definitions that some put forth as "rape" creates much of the problem. The stories of young women being told if they were drunk and got "talked into it" that makes it rape really muddies the water. If you were drunk and he talked you into it, then regret having slept with him the next morning that is "drunk buyers remorse" not rape.
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^^^ And this is BS!! Yeah, I'm calling it.

Statement made at an International Conference on Men's Issues, 2014...

"“The vast majority of female students allegedly raped on campus are actually voicing buyer’s remorse from alcohol-fueled, promiscuous behavior involving murky lines of consent on both sides,” [National Post columnist Barbara Kay] said, drawing chuckles from the audience. “It’s true. It’s their get-out-of-guilt-free card, you know like Monopoly.” The chuckles turned to guffaws."

These guffaws came from a collection of men's rights activists who claim, as one of their many grievances, to be "unfairly stereotyped in America as violent sexual predators." And yet here they were, laughing off thousands of raped college women as nothing more than guilt-ridden coeds...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/6/28/1310304/--Majority-of-Female-students-allegedly-raped-on-campus-are-actually-voicing-buyer-s-remorse
 
"Many people react to the jaw-dropping statistics about sexual assault by presuming that there must be something wrong with the definition of the crime; that many of these cases must be innocuous, mislabeled, or fictional. Yet such reactions evidence the most malignant nature of the epidemic: that it goes so unspoken as to appear fictional to the fortunate majority. The truth is that the cases reported in these statistics consist of unambiguous rapists and rape victims. Furthemore, the outsize public attention on false accusals rests on shaky ground. After all, recent research has found than the percentage of rape accusations that are determined false hovers somewhere in single digits. Yet, despite the millions of rape survivors, shockingly, only about six percent of rapes in America lead to jail time. That means that of the 17 million American women who are survivors of rape or attempted rape, 16 million were assaulted without that recourse against their assailant."

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/28/rape-sexual-assault-campus-law/
 
nomoresorrow said:
^^^ And this is BS!! Yeah, I'm calling it.
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And what about "mattress girl"??? She was allowed to run around the school carrying a mattress to ALL classes and functions while accusing another male student of rape for an entire year!

She willfully engaged in a relationship with the guy and continually sent him messages seeking more contact, it only became "rape" when she realized he was no longer interested in her. The school let her get away with it which is criminal! There is PLENTY of evidence showing the relationship was consensual, she sent him a ton of text messages proving it long after any supposed "incidents" occurred.

When that is allowed to go on others will question the legitimacy of rape accusations without physical proof.

Or do you consider her to be a rape victim too?

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At least for now, Columbia’s mattress saga is over. Emma Sulkowicz, the student who spent her final year on campus toting a mattress to protest the school’s failure to punish her alleged rapist, graduated at the end of May; so did Paul Nungesser, the accused man who says he’s the real victim.

http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/06/did-mattress-girl-tell-the-truth-not-very-likely/
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It is indeed possible to lie about anything at any time, including rape. But I don't see what that has to do with the 16 million (at a bare minimum) rape survivors created in our country each year. You read the victim statement in question, I presume. I believe with every fiber of my being that the number of women who decide to undergo that experience voluntarily is so vanishingly small as to be statistically insignificant.
Your point, IMO, is equivalent to going into the Teresa Sievers thread and posting articles about a person who faked their own death. Irrelevant, and may be construed as disrespectful to the victim.

ETA: This is a reply to Sonya, who posted a link to the "mattress girl" article. I neglected to quote the post to which I was replying.
 
This is all I'm going to say about Emma Sulkowicz's claim against Paul Nungesser...

(1) Nungesser’s girlfriend from freshman year said their months long relationship was abusive and included non consensual sex (the case was dropped after she stopped answering Columbia’s emails over the summer).
(2) A second woman, who lived at the same literary society as Nungesser, said he grabbed her in an empty room during a party there (initially found responsible, but he was granted an appeal and the finding against him was then overturned).
(3) A third accusation against Nungesser, brought in 2014, by a male student known by the pseudonym “Adam" (again dismissed).

Three OTHER claims were made against Paul Nungesser - guess he's just a "false allegation magnet" huh?

More at link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/magazine/have-we-learned-anything-from-the-columbia-rape-case.html?_r=0
 
Blondie in Spokane said:
Drj you certainly called it......


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dict-political-correctness.html#ixzz4AzQshkLz
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thanks for posting this story, i saw her second statement floating around on facebook last night but couldnt find it in any MSM yet, if anything her second statement just makes it even more clear how much she doesnt get it - nothing in the 2nd statement addresses anything that people had problems with in her first letter, if all she did was provide a character witness and talk about how she believed alcohol contributed to the situation and was a big problem in society/on campus' nobody would have had any problem with it...

im going to quote the whole thing here in case anyone missed it;

"Two months ago, I was asked to write a character statement for use in the sentencing phase of Brock Turner’s trial. Per the request of the court, I was asked to write this statement in an effort to shed light on Brock’s character as I knew it to be during my childhood, adolescence and young adulthood when I interacted with him as a classmate and friend. I felt confident in my ability to share my straightforward opinion of him and how I knew him. I also felt compelled to share my deep concern over the misuse of alcohol that was a well-established contributor in this case. Beyond sharing my personal experience with Brock, I made an appeal to the judge to consider the effect that alcohol played in this tragedy.I understand that this appeal has now provided an opportunity for people to misconstrue my ideas into a distortion that suggests I sympathize with sex offenses and those who commit them or that I blame the victim involved. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and I apologize for anything my statement has done to suggest that I don’t feel enormous sympathy for the victim and her suffering.
Perhaps I should have included in my statement the following ideas that explain my perspective on the complexities of what may have happened. As a young female musician who has spent years (since I was in fourth grade) performing as a drummer in live music venues, clubs, and bars with my two sisters, I have had the unique opportunity to observe over 10 years of public American drinking culture and the problems that invariably arise through alcohol misuse. I have watched friends, acquaintances and complete strangers transform before my eyes over the course of sometimes very short periods of time, into people I could barely recognize as a result of alcohol over-consumption. I am currently 20 years old. I have made these observations through sober eyes. I have been repeatedly reminded by my family and coached by police to hold my personal sobriety closely and seriously because of the industry I work in and the risks to my own life that I could face as a young woman playing regularly in venues across the country where alcohol is served.
Additionally, I have grown up and currently reside in a university town that is affected every year by the tragic consequences resulting from undergraduate students’ excessive enthusiasm for binge drinking. Student arrests, violence, injuries, and sexual assaults occur with some regularity, and I have often wondered why this culture continues to thrive seemingly unquestioned and unchecked
There is nothing more sad than the unnecessary, destructive and enormous toll that overuse, misuse and abuse of alcohol and drugs play in people’s lives, and I don’t think my effort to point this out in confidence to a judge while commenting on Brock Turner’s character, as the sober person I knew him to be, was an irresponsible or reckless decision. Unfortunately, due to the overzealous nature of social media and the lack of confidence and privacy in which my letter to the judge was held, I am now thrust into the public eye to defend my position on this matter in the court of public opinion. Now, my choices to defer college to write and play music, to finally introduce 10 years of hard work to a national audience while working consistently and intentionally on my own personal and professional integrity, has led to an uproar of judgement and hatred unleashed on me, my band and my family.
I know that Brock Turner was tried and rightfully convicted of sexual assault. I realize that this crime caused enormous pain for the victim. I don’t condone, support, or sympathize with the offense or the offender. I was asked by a court in California to provide a character statement as a standard and necessary part of the sentencing process. I believe that Brock’s character was seriously affected by the alcohol he consumed, and I felt that the court needed to consider this issue during their sentencing deliberations. "
 
Another miscarriage of justice... sigh, 6 months? ... and it took a student from another country to do the right thing.
 
‘Her story is my story;’ Former MU student writes to Brock Turner’s father about being raped


Liz Taylor has found her voice after 20 years, a voice strong enough to share with the world that she was raped in a dorm room at the University of Missouri in her freshman year.

She found the courage because she’s angry with Dan Turner, the father of Stanford swimmer Brock Turner who was sentenced Thursday to six months in jail for sexually assaulting an unconcious woman.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article82517902.html#storylink=cpy

This is a very good read! imo You will find a link to Liz's letter to Brocks dad in the story.
 
Dockins said:
Has anyone read this? I don't know how to copy and paste from the article. More victim blaming, different case.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/college-ar...rape-due-risky/story?id=39665588&cid=abcn_tco
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Interesting that the university is saying that it is the insurance carrier rather than the university that is victim blaming. The university has a say in how the case is litigated even if the insurance carrier is not their current vendor. The university should be talking to the insurer.
 
nomoresorrow said:
This is all I'm going to say about Emma Sulkowicz's claim against Paul Nungesser...

(1) Nungesser’s girlfriend from freshman year said their months long relationship was abusive and included non consensual sex (the case was dropped after she stopped answering Columbia’s emails over the summer).
(2) A second woman, who lived at the same literary society as Nungesser, said he grabbed her in an empty room during a party there (initially found responsible, but he was granted an appeal and the finding against him was then overturned).
(3) A third accusation against Nungesser, brought in 2014, by a male student known by the pseudonym “Adam" (again dismissed).

Three OTHER claims were made against Paul Nungesser - guess he's just a "false allegation magnet" huh?

More at link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/magazine/have-we-learned-anything-from-the-columbia-rape-case.html?_r=0
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The other accusers collaborated with mattress girl AFTER the crazy saga had already gotten school wide attention:

Early reports seemed damning to Nun*gesser, since two other female students had also accused him of sexual assault. Later it became clear the complaints were connected.

One of the women, Nungesser’s ex-girlfriend, who was battling mental-health issues, came forward after she and Sulkowicz discussed their experiences with Nungesser. The other, a fellow resident at a coed frat house who accused him of a drunken pass at a party, filed a complaint after hearing about his alleged assault on Sulkowicz (with encouragement from a friend who was trying to get him evicted from the house).

nypost.com/2016/03/18/exposing-rank-injustice-in-the-mattress-girl-case/
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Shortly after graduation mattress girl produced a pornographic film ( Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol ) in which she strips has graphic sex with a guy in various scenarios performing various acts to exemplify what is rape and the alleged abuse she suffered. http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6555

The film was freely shared and can be found online, she states if she did not give you personal permission to view it, watching the *advertiser censored* that she intentionally produced and distributed is akin to raping her.

Now she is doing live performance art that focuses on her sexuality and "objectification".

And people still claim she was just a simple victim.
 
I just watched the CNN anchor read the victim's statement and it broke my heart. How in the world this male being only got 6 months is beyond me. He will do it again, I have NO doubt.
 
This just disgusts me!!!


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Ok. My dear WS Friends.

I have not read the entire thread but just watched the evening news. I am completely OUTRAGED.

I am the mother of two sons. One who is a senior at University and the other going this Fall.

There is no way in HE** my sons would behave like this young man. I would bet my life on it.

What a creep. The comment "20 min of action" really offended me.

OK. Back to reading. Thanks for letting me rant!

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Sonya610 said:
The other accusers collaborated with mattress girl AFTER the crazy saga had already gotten school wide attention:

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And people still claim she was just a simple victim.
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Mattress girl was and is a victimizer, not a victim.

In the Brock Turner case, I've seen nothing to suggest that his victim was anything but a victim.

People who abhor rape and want to see more prosecution and tougher sentencing for rape, should hate hate hate mattress girl — people like her make things harder for people like Brock Turner's victim.
 
Glammie said:
This just disgusts me!!!


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Me too.....when I saw his sentenced was reduced to two months I figured I'd better just post the article and not comment. I have absolutely nothing kind to say about this brat RAPIST, his father or the judge.
 
Wyle_E_Coyote said:
The vast majority of young people who drink do NOT commit rape or murder. Rape is not the natural impulse of the vast majority of men, whether alcohol is present or not.

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He raped because he is a rapist, not because he was drunk.

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I agree. And it is even more concerning to me that he raped an unconscious woman.


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