BURKE did it, and WHY the Ramseys covered up -an Opinion

[UKGuy]

Unless you think JR is going to strangle BR with cord if he speaks, yes. I'll be shocked if BR ever speaks the truth of his sister's death to anyone after JR passes, especially law enforcement. It would ruin his reputation whether he had anything to do with it or not.

OliviaG1996,
If the case is not BDI then BR might participate in one of those revisionist type documentaries, where he says something that hints to who the killer might be.

This case is so famous someone will eventually say something, probably once everyone accepts the default Who Did It theory, there is lots of money to be made with one of those sensationalist type documentaries.

Think about some other cases, e.g. MJ, OJ Simpson and recently the lurid Cosby allegations.

It all comes out eventually ...

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[OliviaG1996]

OliviaG1996,
If the case is not BDI then BR might participate in one of those revisionist type documentaries, where he says something that hints to who the killer might be.

If PDI or JDI, do you think they ever would've told BR about it? I don't really think so, but it's possible. If JDI or PDI and they didn't tell BR, perhaps he pieced it together himself. Even so, I still don't think he would utter a word about it to anyone. Many of his relationships would be severed, especially his relationship with his half-siblings, John Andrew and Melinda.

This case is so famous someone will eventually say something, probably once everyone accepts the default Who Did It theory, there is lots of money to be made with one of those sensationalist type documentaries.

Think about some other cases, e.g. MJ, OJ Simpson and recently the lurid Cosby allegations.

It all comes out eventually ...

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I sure hope it'll come out one day, UKGuy. Unfortunately, I think it'll be a life-long mystery similar to Jack the Ripper and The Zodiac Killer. Unlike those mysteries, though, many of us have an idea of who killed JBR.

 

[UKGuy]

If PDI or JDI, do you think they ever would've told BR about it? I don't really think so, but it's possible. If JDI or PDI and they didn't tell BR, perhaps he pieced it together himself. Even so, I still don't think he would utter a word about it to anyone. Many of his relationships would be severed, especially his relationship with his half-siblings, John Andrew and Melinda.



I sure hope it'll come out one day, UKGuy. Unfortunately, I think it'll be a life-long mystery similar to Jack the Ripper and The Zodiac Killer. Unlike those mysteries, though, many of us have an idea of who killed JBR.

OliviaG1996,
Well unless the GJ thought PR assisted JR and JR assisted PR, the case is patently BDI, with those involved, e.g. Fleet White, told to shut up and forget.

I'll bet a nickel to a dime that will be the opening sequence on one of those dramatic mystery conspiracy thrillers that grace our screens, they will not accuse anyone just leave some nasty clues for you to see, and end with the question, will the intruder ever be caught?

BR will know from the lies told who did what, remember he was awake! I'm pretty sure that BR told DS some of what took place, look how nice the R's were to the Steins, people they rarely, if ever, socialised with.

Watch the media for JR's passing then check for the documentary, not only will someone come forward they might have the footage canned already, awaiting JR's demise?

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[andreww]

OliviaG1996,
Well unless the GJ thought PR assisted JR and JR assisted PR, the case is patently BDI, with those involved, e.g. Fleet White, told to shut up and forget.

I'll bet a nickel to a dime that will be the opening sequence on one of those dramatic mystery conspiracy thrillers that grace our screens, they will not accuse anyone just leave some nasty clues for you to see, and end with the question, will the intruder ever be caught?

BR will know from the lies told who did what, remember he was awake! I'm pretty sure that BR told DS some of what took place, look how nice the R's were to the Steins, people they rarely, if ever, socialised with.

Watch the media for JR's passing then check for the documentary, not only will someone come forward they might have the footage canned already, awaiting JR's demise?

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The only problem with your theory is that even if Burke slugged JBR over the head with a flashlight or a bat, that does NOT make him the killer. The actual killer is the person that fashioned the garrote and strangled JBR to death. I think that it is very unlikely that person was Burke. So I highly doubt that the Rs were given a pass because the GJ or the DA was thinking BDI.


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[Hewitt]

Unfortunately, I think it'll be a life-long mystery similar to Jack the Ripper and The Zodiac Killer. Unlike those mysteries, though, many of us have an idea of who killed JBR.

I respectfully disagree. Neither of those killers were caught because of the basic nature of Forensic Science in their respective eras, their victims were strangers to them and then both suddenly stopped, meaning new leads were not forthcoming. The JBR case on the other hand was a one-off, committed in a closed environment and in all likelihood was the work of one (or more) of only three people. I think it's highly likely that the answer is in the evidence and data that hasn't been officially disclosed to the public and that once JR is gone, a big obstacle will be out of the way. The public officials involved with the case almost certainly know what happened.

I think the Robert Durst case is a good comparison here.

 

[UKGuy]

The only problem with your theory is that even if Burke slugged JBR over the head with a flashlight or a bat, that does NOT make him the killer. The actual killer is the person that fashioned the garrote and strangled JBR to death. I think that it is very unlikely that person was Burke. So I highly doubt that the Rs were given a pass because the GJ or the DA was thinking BDI.


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andreww,
Well you must dispel your doubt. The case is BDI with lots of conspiracy tossed in, the legal kind. We will probably never learn who actually killed JonBenet, as I've mentioned before, my money is on PR.

As an aside for those acquainted with the Worlds End Murders, saw Angus Sinclar convicted for the murder of two women, 40 years later and it was the touch-dna embedded in the knotting of the ligatures that placed him at the crime-scene. Think on the ligature placed around JonBenet's neck?

The GJ probably thought much as many here have: its BDI with the parents staging after the fact.

The behaviour of Alex Hunter tells you everything you want to know, e.g. no information released to the public, and the jury members told to shut up!

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[BoldBear]

This thread is titled "Burke did it?" I take it that this is not a place to question that assumption. Do we get the torches and pitchforks now? Sorry, I'll stay away from this discussion. Despite all the reading I've done about this case, I can't arrive at this conclusion. The only conclusion I've been able to reach is that John or Patsy or both were involved in covering-up whatever happened.

Just a little off topic but the timing was perfect, there was a killing in the news recently. A 6 year old got his hands on his fathers gun. He was playing cops and robbers. He shot and killed his 3 year old younger brother. No matter where you're at with this case, my heart goes out to the 6 year old. Imagine going though life with that weight on your shoulders. You'd never be able to get away from the guilt of what you did when you didn't know any better. That's a horrible thought.

The sympathy I feel for this child isn't the reason why I don't believe Burke killed his sister. I just don't have enough evidence in my head to lean toward Burke's guilt. His withdrawn behavior can be easily explained as a child under stress. His mother gets stage 4 cancer. The father's working all the time. The nanny's there in the kids life one moment and then dismissed. And then Patsy was going through mood swings. Even with all the money, those kids were undergoing some really hard times. No wonder why he disappeared in video games, trains and legos. I keep looking for behavior that would point suspicion toward him, but I just can't see what others have seen.

 

[andreww]

andreww,
Well you must dispel your doubt. The case is BDI with lots of conspiracy tossed in, the legal kind. We will probably never learn who actually killed JonBenet, as I've mentioned before, my money is on PR.

As an aside for those acquainted with the Worlds End Murders, saw Angus Sinclar convicted for the murder of two women, 40 years later and it was the touch-dna embedded in the knotting of the ligatures that placed him at the crime-scene. Think on the ligature placed around JonBenet's neck?

The GJ probably thought much as many here have: its BDI with the parents staging after the fact.

The behaviour of Alex Hunter tells you everything you want to know, e.g. no information released to the public, and the jury members told to shut up!

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I don't think that jury members should, or were likely to come up with their own theories, especially since none of the key players at the time were pushing a BDI scenario.

The grand jury voted to indict the Ramsey's on those charges only simply because those were the only charges that they felt they could actually attach to either Patsy or John. There simply was not enough evidence to say who pulled that rope and took her last breath.

As for the DA's behavior, it didn't change from the very start of the case, as he treated the Ramsey's with kid gloves, and that was while Thomas was telling him that Patsy was responsible. To think that he went in to those GJ proceedings and suddenly came to the realization that BDI is a little more than far fetched in my opinion.

Even all these years later I am not sold on any theory, although I lean towards either Thomas' theory that Patsy was the main perpetrator or that Burke struck JB, either intentionally or unintentionally, and Patsy did the rest.


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[eileenhawkeye]

This thread is titled "Burke did it?" I take it that this is not a place to question that assumption. Do we get the torches and pitchforks now? Sorry, I'll stay away from this discussion. Despite all the reading I've done about this case, I can't arrive at this conclusion. The only conclusion I've been able to reach is that John or Patsy or both were involved in covering-up whatever happened.

Just a little off topic but the timing was perfect, there was a killing in the news recently. A 6 year old got his hands on his fathers gun. He was playing cops and robbers. He shot and killed his 3 year old younger brother. No matter where you're at with this case, my heart goes out to the 6 year old. Imagine going though life with that weight on your shoulders. You'd never be able to get away from the guilt of what you did when you didn't know any better. That's a horrible thought.

The sympathy I feel for this child isn't the reason why I don't believe Burke killed his sister. I just don't have enough evidence in my head to lean toward Burke's guilt. His withdrawn behavior can be easily explained as a child under stress. His mother gets stage 4 cancer. The father's working all the time. The nanny's there in the kids life one moment and then dismissed. And then Patsy was going through mood swings. Even with all the money, those kids were undergoing some really hard times. No wonder why he disappeared in video games, trains and legos. I keep looking for behavior that would point suspicion toward him, but I just can't see what others have seen.

Illinois must have different laws than Colorado because people have said that Colorado law prevents the media from even saying a child under 10 killed someone.

 

[OliviaG1996]

This thread is titled "Burke did it?" I take it that this is not a place to question that assumption. Do we get the torches and pitchforks now? Sorry, I'll stay away from this discussion. Despite all the reading I've done about this case, I can't arrive at this conclusion. The only conclusion I've been able to reach is that John or Patsy or both were involved in covering-up whatever happened.

Just a little off topic but the timing was perfect, there was a killing in the news recently. A 6 year old got his hands on his fathers gun. He was playing cops and robbers. He shot and killed his 3 year old younger brother. No matter where you're at with this case, my heart goes out to the 6 year old. Imagine going though life with that weight on your shoulders. You'd never be able to get away from the guilt of what you did when you didn't know any better. That's a horrible thought.

The sympathy I feel for this child isn't the reason why I don't believe Burke killed his sister. I just don't have enough evidence in my head to lean toward Burke's guilt. His withdrawn behavior can be easily explained as a child under stress. His mother gets stage 4 cancer. The father's working all the time. The nanny's there in the kids life one moment and then dismissed. And then Patsy was going through mood swings. Even with all the money, those kids were undergoing some really hard times. No wonder why he disappeared in video games, trains and legos. I keep looking for behavior that would point suspicion toward him, but I just can't see what others have seen.

The only account we have of BR crying throughout this whole ordeal was from JR right before BR left with FW. FW has said that BR had asked him no questions while in the car heading for the White's, and has never mentioned BR crying. Withdrawn or not, I wouldn't call that normal. We can't ignore BR's fingerprints on the glass next to the pineapple, possible train track marks on JBR, and his tDNA found on the bloodstained Barbie nightgown either.

 

[BoldBear]

The only account we have of BR crying throughout this whole ordeal was from JR right before BR left with FW. FW has said that BR had asked him no questions while in the car heading for the White's, and has never mentioned BR crying. Withdrawn or not, I wouldn't call that normal. We can't ignore BR's fingerprints on the glass next to the pineapple, possible train track marks on JBR, and his tDNA found on the bloodstained Barbie nightgown either.

Wow, then you better condemn me too. I went through some really horrible things in my childhood and I didn't cry through it. I withdrew. I'm not going to rehash what happened in my past for you because I just can't deal with it, but you better bury me under a mountain of suspicion.

FW was an adult friend of Burke's parents. At 9, I knew enough not to share secrets with my parent's friends. I didn't open-up to adults outside of my family. You have no idea what level of trust Burke had for FW. His silence could have been instructions from his parents or he could have assumed that he was supposed to stay quiet.

I'm impressed that you found tDNA on an article of clothing from someone who lives in the home. That's very condemning.

Burke's fingerprints were found on the bowl of pineapple. The parents didn't know anything about the pineapple. These are the same parents who said they didn't wake Burke when they discovered that JBR was missing. You're right. They're credible sources. Was this in between what they did or didn't remember? Or was this part of all the times their stories changed?

As for the train tracks, I didn't know that they conclusively proved that the marks came from train tracks. These are marks 1 and 1/8 inches apart. I can see how they could have come from train tracks just as I can see that SBTC can stand for "She Bears The Cross".

Look, I'm not an IDI. Burke could have done this, but I don't see overwhelming evidence. There is, however, no doubt in my mind that the parents covered something up. You don't think that Burke could be hiding stuff for his parents too?

I've also read plenty of comments that Burke should come forward. Would the reasoning behind this be for Burke or is it because 'we're' selfish and 'we' want to know? Much of this case has been leaked. I wouldn't trust investigators. Would you? If he came forward, he could hurt himself or his parents. So please tell me what he has to gain if anything at all for coming forward. Worst of all, if he didn't know what happened that night and he admitted to that in a press conference, would anyone here believe him?

There are people here who have made up their mind. Nothing will change it.

 

[OliviaG1996]

Wow, then you better condemn me too. I went through some really horrible things in my childhood and I didn't cry through it. I withdrew. I'm not going to rehash what happened in my past for you because I just can't deal with it, but you better bury me under a mountain of suspicion.

FW was an adult friend of Burke's parents. At 9, I knew enough not to share secrets with my parent's friends. I didn't open-up to adults outside of my family. You have no idea what level of trust Burke had for FW. His silence could have been instructions from his parents or he could have assumed that he was supposed to stay quiet.

I'm impressed that you found tDNA on an article of clothing from someone who lives in the home. That's very condemning.

Burke's fingerprints were found on the bowl of pineapple. The parents didn't know anything about the pineapple. These are the same parents who said they didn't wake Burke when they discovered that JBR was missing. You're right. They're credible sources. Was this in between what they did or didn't remember? Or was this part of all the times their stories changed?

As for the train tracks, I didn't know that they conclusively proved that the marks came from train tracks. These are marks 1 and 1/8 inches apart. I can see how they could have come from train tracks just as I can see that SBTC can stand for "She Bears The Cross".

Look, I'm not an IDI. Burke could have done this, but I don't see overwhelming evidence. There is, however, no doubt in my mind that the parents covered something up. You don't think that Burke could be hiding stuff for his parents too?

I've also read plenty of comments that Burke should come forward. Would the reasoning behind this be for Burke or is it because 'we're' selfish and 'we' want to know? Much of this case has been leaked. I wouldn't trust investigators. Would you? If he came forward, he could hurt himself or his parents. So please tell me what he has to gain if anything at all for coming forward. Worst of all, if he didn't know what happened that night and he admitted to that in a press conference, would anyone here believe him?

There are people here who have made up their mind. Nothing will change it.

It's obvious you're biased when it comes to thinking BR had nothing to do with the death of his sister because of things both of you have gone through and how you've both reacted to those occurrences. That's okay, there's nothing wrong with that. But there is evidence to the contrary, and most of it has nothing to do with his behavior. I've named most of them, but your sympathy for BR has clouded your judgment.

By the way, BR's tDNA on the nightgown should not be overlooked. The nightgown had a drop of JBR's blood on it which is why the tDNA is significant.

 

[BoldBear]

Yes, but your jumping to the conclusion that the tDNA and the blood were deposited at the same time. tDNA doesn't say when it was transferred to a surface. tDNA also doesn't have the same rarity of a blood sample or a semen sample. in this case, it only indicates what tDNA the investigator found at a particular location on a garment. It doesn't mean that other tDNA couldn't be on the garment in another location. With tDNA we're talking something that is incredibly small.

My personal experiences have allowed me to look at BR from an angle that you didn't see. First you said nothing could explain his behavior. Then when I pointed-out that I could explain his behavior, you moved to "my argument is based on the evidence." I don't rule out that BR could have been responsible. I just haven't see the smoking gun. From my point of view, you're not looking at this objectively.

There are some things here I take as fact. Usually if an investigator found something, I take it as fact. One example I have for the oversized underwear is that we know Patsy said it was kept in the drawer in JBR's bathroom. Then we forget the number of things that Patsy couldn't remember. The underwear wasn't actually documented as being found by the investigators so we're taking Patsy's word for it. We also take John's word that he checked all of the doors, but we forget that he walked that statement back. Some things that people here see as fact, I don't see as fact.

Every piece of this case has a 'yeah but'. Complexity isn't a bad thing. I'm not 100% behind any theory because I see other sides. The only thing I'm convinced of is a cover-up.

 

[OliviaG1996]

Yes, but your jumping to the conclusion that the tDNA and the blood were deposited at the same time. tDNA doesn't say when it was transferred to a surface. tDNA also doesn't have the same rarity of a blood sample or a semen sample. in this case, it only indicates what tDNA the investigator found at a particular location on a garment. It doesn't mean that other tDNA couldn't be on the garment in another location. With tDNA we're talking something that is incredibly small.

I don't know when the tDNA was deposited. Neither do you. To automatically assume when it was deposited is wrong, which is why I think it should be looked at further instead of just thinking "Hey, he lives in the house. It doesn't mean anything."

My personal experiences have allowed me to look at BR from an angle that you didn't see. First you said nothing could explain his behavior. Then when I pointed-out that I could explain his behavior, you moved to "my argument is based on the evidence." I don't rule out that BR could have been responsible. I just haven't see the smoking gun. From my point of view, you're not looking at this objectively.

Behavior is evidence. Forensics alone don't always solve cases. Why would I not be looking at this objectively? Do you think I hate BR for some reason?

There are some things here I take as fact. Usually if an investigator found something, I take it as fact. One example I have for the oversized underwear is that we know Patsy said it was kept in the drawer in JBR's bathroom. Then we forget the number of things that Patsy couldn't remember. The underwear wasn't actually documented as being found by the investigators so we're taking Patsy's word for it. We also take John's word that he checked all of the doors, but we forget that he walked that statement back. Some things that people here see as fact, I don't see as fact.

I don't take JR or PR's words for anything. I don't think BR did this whole entire crime by himself, that would be insane.

Every piece of this case has a 'yeah but'. Complexity isn't a bad thing. I'm not 100% behind any theory because I see other sides. The only thing I'm convinced of is a cover-up.

Of course there was a cover-up. We just think it was covered up for different people.

I also see other sides of the argument. For example, I think SuperDave's theory of what happened that night is very probable. I don't dismiss it and I don't say someone else's theory is unfounded because it's different from my own. I see many people do that when someone dares to mention BR's name as a suspect.

 

[BoldBear]

Did I miss something here? First you claim that he did it and then you retreat. You just argued that the tDNA and the blood were damning evidence that Burke did it. Now you're saying that you don't know because there's no way to prove when the tDNA was deposited and that's exactly what I was saying. You retreated on accusing Burke because of his behaviors and now your back to accusing him because of his behaviors. So I guess when you say that Burke did it that you're making some type of soft accusation. To me, it looked like this was what you actually believed.

I said I did't belong on this thread and it's true. While I've seen evidence that could indicate that Burke did this, there hasn't been anything that convinces me. The cover-up is the craziest thing of all. "Hey John, Burke just killed JBR. We need to cover this up or the authorities are going to take him away from us. Lets strangle her, sexually molest her and write the most convincing ransom note ever." Somewhere along the way John agrees to this and decides against calling 911 so they can stage the whole thing. Is it me or does this theory smell? Oh yeah, lets also have Patsy casually talking on the phone with both Burke and John in the room and then fly into a panic when she discovers the 911 operator on the line because the whole thing is contrived and it doesn't matter to her that JBR is dead. There's a whole lot of crazy stuff going on here but it's not what you think. You need to dig deeper.

Time for me to leave this thread. Sorry I stumbled in here.

 

[OliviaG1996]

Did I miss something here? First you claim that he did it and then you retreat. You just argued that the tDNA and the blood were damning evidence that Burke did it. Now you're saying that you don't know because there's no way to prove when the tDNA was deposited and that's exactly what I was saying. You retreated on accusing Burke because of his behaviors and now your back to accusing him because of his behaviors. So I guess when you say that Burke did it that you're making some type of soft accusation. To me, it looked like this was what you actually believed.

I never said the nightgown was "damning evidence that Burke did it". It points to him being involved. There's a difference. Never once did I retreat on his suspicious behavior. His therapist during an interview in 1997 has even said his behavior was strange. You still discounted his lack of emotion because of the way you've handled tragedy when you were a child. We were never going to agree on the strangeness of his behavior so I switched gears and talked about the forensics but when I did, you either said I was changing the subject or that none of it mattered because he lived in the house.

I said I did't belong on this thread and it's true. While I've seen evidence that could indicate that Burke did this, there hasn't been anything that convinces me. The cover-up is the craziest thing of all. "Hey John, Burke just killed JBR. We need to cover this up or the authorities are going to take him away from us. Lets strangle her, sexually molest her and write the most convincing ransom note ever." Somewhere along the way John agrees to this and decides against calling 911 so they can stage the whole thing. Is it me or does this theory smell? Oh yeah, lets also have Patsy casually talking on the phone with both Burke and John in the room and then fly into a panic when she discovers the 911 operator on the line because the whole thing is contrived and it doesn't matter to her that JBR is dead. There's a whole lot of crazy stuff going on here but it's not what you think. You need to dig deeper.

Or, how about this: "Let's say Burke was asleep the whole time even though he was awake when we called the cops. He has nothing to do with this, but let's lie for the hell of it."

If you're looking for something that will convince you 100% of who did this, good luck. None of us have found a smoking gun that indicates who definitely killed JBR. If we did, this case would be solved by now. That's why they're called "theories" and not "conclusions".

Time for me to leave this thread. Sorry I stumbled in here.

Sorry if I somehow offended you, but it sounds like you didn't want to discuss BDI in the first place.

 

[Hatfield]

Personally, I don't think the garrote was of Burke's making, though I could see how that would be possible. I do agree about them both possibly being molested. JonBenet went to doctors for infections frequently, and Burke had bedwetting issues, which, at that age, is not normal. Burke may have started molesting her after getting ideas from being molested.

I think the doctor knew that JonBenet was being molested, but was paid off by the Ramsey's to lie. It sounds like a stretch, but I could see it.

I had not read about these types of theories till today and I think it is quite possible some variation could be what happened.

One thing I wanted to throw out is something I have thought about ever since seeing the footage of JBR in those beauty contests. By the way I feel those are wrong on so many levels but that is beside the point I am trying to make.

What struck me when I saw the footage of her in those contests was she was acting way too adultish. She was obviously taught how to walk and look during the contests. So wondering how much extra she was taught with the guise that it would help her win those contests if she learned how to be an adult.

I have always wondered if there were certain things that she was taught with using the guise that it would help her win. Perhaps even the brother was forced to help train her.
All with a guise of it was the family's "secret weapon" to win those contests.

Anyway just wanted to throw that out there as I think some sort of variation of what has been discussed on this thread is a possibility. Whether just the choking game or EA games or playing doctor games or a training session going too far I think some sort of variation is a possibility.

About the only thing I am sure of is there was a coverup. If the coverup was made to look like a sexual predator entered the house then the original "accident" could have just been the choking game going too far.

I cannot believe that choking game was even invented. What ever happened to just spinning around and getting dizzy on purpose. This case still saddens me to this day.

 

[BoldBear]

You didn't offend me. I'd rather talk about the stuff that would indicate that Burke did it without stating that he did it. I've read through a few of the postings here and it's been stated that he's done it as a fact. I have a problem with that.

When I said I don't belong here, I meant that it would be like an RDI preaching on the IDI thread. We all know the arguments and should be able to argue any one of these theories with ease by now. I'm actually exhausted by this whole thing and I'm looking forward to getting away from it. I'm working on a theory that is only a theory. I won't put it back in the box until I'm done with it, but it's taking forever. I've got the ransom note but not the movie quotes. I can't see them as a spontaneous thing. Who has a mind for ransom movies? I'm honestly not looking to solve it. I just want to add another theory to all the other theories. I'm just having trouble writing it. I've written for years and when something like this doesn't want to pour out onto the page, I know enough to not force it. So I'm working on it a little every night. Then I get stuck and have to think about it or do a little more research. This part of the writing process sucks. I only hope it's a good read when I'm done with it.

 

[UKGuy]

I had not read about these types of theories till today and I think it is quite possible some variation could be what happened.

One thing I wanted to throw out is something I have thought about ever since seeing the footage of JBR in those beauty contests. By the way I feel those are wrong on so many levels but that is beside the point I am trying to make.

What struck me when I saw the footage of her in those contests was she was acting way too adultish. She was obviously taught how to walk and look during the contests. So wondering how much extra she was taught with the guise that it would help her win those contests if she learned how to be an adult.

I have always wondered if there were certain things that she was taught with using the guise that it would help her win. Perhaps even the brother was forced to help train her.
All with a guise of it was the family's "secret weapon" to win those contests.

Anyway just wanted to throw that out there as I think some sort of variation of what has been discussed on this thread is a possibility. Whether just the choking game or EA games or playing doctor games or a training session going too far I think some sort of variation is a possibility.

About the only thing I am sure of is there was a coverup. If the coverup was made to look like a sexual predator entered the house then the original "accident" could have just been the choking game going too far.

I cannot believe that choking game was even invented. What ever happened to just spinning around and getting dizzy on purpose. This case still saddens me to this day.

Hatfield,
BBM: Patsy paid for dance lessons, and along with her sister, grandmother and grandfather, accompanied JonBenet to various pageants, and on one occasion referred to JonBenet as a Sexy Witch.

Many think it was accidental play gone wrong, with the sexual assault as staging, later hidden from view via the redressing.

So a minimilist RDI theory might be. Accidental head blow, followed by genital and ligature staging?

Or sexual assault followed by head blow, then ligature staging and redressing, I reckon more than one person was involved in the staging, but I reckon the person who sexually assaulted JonBenet would have attempted some form of cleanup and staging.

Surely one R is not going to tell another R JonBenet just fell down the basement stairs, but has patently been sexually assaulted?

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[Artemorticia]

I don't know where the autoerotic asphyxiation came into play but I believe that Burke had something to do with it as he had behavioral problems and had to see psychiatrists. I think the reason the crime scene was so botched was because Jr. and pr paid a lot of people off to keep their mouths shut. However, has anybody thought that maybe Burke beat and sexually assaulted his sister and that the garrot was used on her post mortem? The autopsy has stated that they cannot determine if asphyxiation or blunt trauma was the cause of her death so that being said while in a panic, could it be possible that Jbr was merely unconscious and mistaken for dead while pr panicked and botched the scene to make it look like an intruder? I think the garrot was added to make it look like a grown person did it because I don't believe a nine year old would be capable of making a garrot. Either she was barely alive or dead when the garrot came to use.