By Accident Or On Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

[Ambitioned]

Why, it would almost be enough to drive one of their attorneys onto Twitter shortly after the show aired screaming in rage that there was no new investigation.

That would definitely explain all the Twitter tantrums!

 

[BOBON]

I have a question: If, for example Burke, would have used the flashlight to strike JBR (not intentionally as hard), would the flashlight have had visible blood on it?

I am just going by the theory that Burke didn't mention the flashlight was the main weapon... maybe one of the parents used it to dispose of evidence (it was dark outside) and then wiped in inside and outside just to make sure, hence why it was left on the counter - it had no value to their story or to them.
It would just fit the story well that Burke did take the flashlight downstairs as he said himself that he went down to play with toys after everyone else was asleep, of course he wouldn't want to turn on all the lights in the house. I am a few years younger than Burke but I remember also using a flashlight at many times at night, especially before Christmas to peek into the presents

 

[Miz Adventure]

I have a question: If, for example Burke, would have used the flashlight to strike JBR (not intentionally as hard), would the flashlight have had visible blood on it?

I am just going by the theory that Burke didn't mention the flashlight was the main weapon... maybe one of the parents used it to dispose of evidence (it was dark outside) and then wiped in inside and outside just to make sure, hence why it was left on the counter - it had no value to their story or to them.
It would just fit the story well that Burke did take the flashlight downstairs as he said himself that he went down to play with toys after everyone else was asleep, of course he wouldn't want to turn on all the lights in the house. I am a few years younger than Burke but I remember also using a flashlight at many times at night, especially before Christmas to peek into the presents

The instrument used to hit JBR did not break the skin so there was no visible blood.

 

[andreww]

I have a question: If, for example Burke, would have used the flashlight to strike JBR (not intentionally as hard), would the flashlight have had visible blood on it?

I am just going by the theory that Burke didn't mention the flashlight was the main weapon... maybe one of the parents used it to dispose of evidence (it was dark outside) and then wiped in inside and outside just to make sure, hence why it was left on the counter - it had no value to their story or to them.
It would just fit the story well that Burke did take the flashlight downstairs as he said himself that he went down to play with toys after everyone else was asleep, of course he wouldn't want to turn on all the lights in the house. I am a few years younger than Burke but I remember also using a flashlight at many times at night, especially before Christmas to peek into the presents

If the flashlight was not involved in the crime, why wipe it? It was theirs, it should have their prints on it. But, if it has Burke's fingerprints and maybe a piece of flesh from JB's scalp, it becomes a problem. So it was taken apart and wiped thoroughly.

 

[Miz Adventure]

If the flashlight was not involved in the crime, why wipe it? It was theirs, it should have their prints on it. But, if it has Burke's fingerprints and maybe a piece of flesh from JB's scalp, it becomes a problem. So it was taken apart and wiped thoroughly.

Yes, it would appear so. Which, of course, is another pointer to there being no intruder.

 

[TeaTime]

I think her head was covered with a pillow or she tried to protect herself from the blow by covering her head with pillow. (ooops maybe the one on the counter next to the flashlight or more likely the one tossed to the end of her bed) before the blow, so no cut skin. This was a forceful strike by someone completely out of control.

Terrifying.

 

[singularity]

I have never heard this before. Are you sure about what you state in your post?


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Its hogwash. All we know about the Beth-John dynamic is he was traumatized by her death and had her photographs in the bathroom. Doesn't sound very kosher but its a massive and blind leap from that to some sort of conspiracy to kill Beth over sexual abuse.

There's been a spate of new evidence that has emerged with this 20th anniversary. Police crime scene photographs of JonBenet's body at the house, crime scene videos, photos of the underwear and long johns, police statements etc. I'm wondering if this is because of some legal time limit in which records have to be made public, or some such reason.

Maybe certain people with access to it are just fed up. There have always been insiders who leak things from time to time but yeah this year was a tsunami.

Maybe all will be revealed.

I've thought about this a lot and I'm not convinced it was wiped..

I agree. Thomas simply speculated in his book that it might have been wiped due to no fingerprints being found and this somehow morphed over the years into the Ramseys basically washing it before LE arrives.

 

[singularity]

singularity,

If you do not have an issue with the R's mistakes then you are exhibiting bias, i.e. you are favoring evidence that suits your theory.

Just because I don't consider the long johns a huge issue doesn't mean I "don't have an issue with Ramsey mistakes".

I do get a good chuckle out of the digs about exhibiting bias.....especially when it comes from people who attribute every speck of feces in the house to Burke even though no tests were done, will take any evidence and credit it to Burke when possible while ignoring the rest, list goes on...


The tactic gets old though. Everyone uses confirmation bias in some capacity...including those investigating the case. Yet apparently BDI is neutral and calls it fair and square down the middle while everyone else uses bias.

Patsy is going to lie about the size-12's and Burke's long johns. Have you read her interviews where she has a memory loss over whether JonBenet changed into clean underwear for the White's party?

Of course I've read the interviews. Multiple times. About a third of my posts here have quotes from those interviews in them.

That's another example. Many BDI members say you cant believe anything Patsy says and her interviews are worthless yet in the next post will cherry pick one of her statements if it can somehow help bolster their theory.

Talk about bias....

 

[icedtea4me]

If the flashlight was not involved in the crime, why wipe it? It was theirs, it should have their prints on it. But, if it has Burke's fingerprints and maybe a piece of flesh from JB's scalp, it becomes a problem. So it was taken apart and wiped thoroughly.

I'm thinking the flashlight might have saliva cells from JonBenet.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

If the flashlight was not involved in the crime, why wipe it? It was theirs, it should have their prints on it. But, if it has Burke's fingerprints and maybe a piece of flesh from JB's scalp, it becomes a problem. So it was taken apart and wiped thoroughly.

where did you read that it was wiped?

 

[icedtea4me]

*snip*

I do get a good chuckle out of the digs about exhibiting bias.....especially when it comes from people who attribute every speck of feces in the house to Burke even though no tests were done, will take any evidence and credit it to Burke when possible while ignoring the rest, list goes on... *snip*

Considering how often some BDIs claim that Burke was smearing feces, you'd think there would've been some on the cord, the paintbrush, the flashlight, the drinking glass, the bowl, the spoon, etc.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Considering how often some BDIs claim that Burke was smearing feces, you'd think there would've been some on the cord, the paintbrush, the flashlight, the drinking glass, the bowl, the spoon, etc.

lol exactly.

 

[Miz Adventure]

Considering how often some BDIs claim that Burke was smearing feces, you'd think there would've been some on the cord, the paintbrush, the flashlight, the drinking glass, the bowl, the spoon, etc.

Well perhaps there were some traces - left by BR's fingers.

I would think that any fingerprints, DNA, etc., left by the R's on everyday items would have been discounted by investigators.

The parents would have wiped everything that could have been used in the commission of the crime. We already know they wiped the flashlight AND the batteries.

 

[Ambitioned]

There may have been. There's a ton of stuff we're not privvy to, remember. Just because we haven't read it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Miz Adventure]

Yes, the police tend to hold back important details of a murder.

Although in this case I wouldn't mind betting the R's lawyers got their hands on every single tiny bit of information and evidence the police had in their possession.

It's one of the reasons why ST left the investigation. It was all one-sided.

 

[Tadpole12]

The sheer force of the blow would suggest it was intentional. Whether it was meant to cause death? Depends on how messed up you believe Burke was.

as demonstrated, yes?

 

[Tadpole12]

Disgusted - great theory.

That JR used the flashlight to take BR upstairs is further evidence that there was no intruder but it was DP that said it. He is a doofus. If JR did use it this way, it doesn't matter if he left the flashlight in BR's room or took it upstairs to his room they are stuck with an intruder who went into one of those bedrooms, as they slept, to get the flashlight to go back and kill JBR with it which is preposterous. If JR really did do this, it is as close to a confession as we will ever get.

Although BR didn't deny that JR used the flashlight to take him to bed, he didn't say "yes, he did" either.

TT
maybe a neighbour's witness statement mentions seeing the flashlight being used nightly.

 

[Tadpole12]

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1/19/2017

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[AndHence]

If JDI, the head blow was intended to cause death in order to keep JonBenet quiet about molestation.
If PDI, the head blow was a rage incident not meant to cause death but ended up resulting in death.
If BDI, the head blow was most likely a rage incident not intended to cause death but resulting in death.

The only scenario of the three where strangulation is not necessarily part of the cover-up is probably BDI. It is possible, as Kolar believes, that the rope may have been used before that night as some sort of sexual play device.

 

[Miz Adventure]

If JDI, the head blow was intended to cause death in order to keep JonBenet quiet about molestation.
If PDI, the head blow was a rage incident not meant to cause death but ended up resulting in death.
If BDI, the head blow was most likely a rage incident not intended to cause death but resulting in death.

The only scenario of the three where strangulation is not necessarily part of the cover-up is probably BDI. It is possible, as Kolar believes, that the rope may have been used before that night as some sort of sexual play device.

I agree with most of that, except I do not think BR was into any kinky sexual stuff. Although 9 year old boys are probably sexually curious about the opposite sex, I don't think they will have the kind of thoughts that go any further than that.

I'm still coming to terms with the idea of a boy of (almost) 10 strangling his sister to death. But I believe that must be what happened, simply because the thought of one of the parents doing it is even more unlikely.

And obviously no intruder was involved. I discounted that theory almost as soon as I started reading about this case.