CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

[arkansasmimi]

ADA 2/23/18
"I believe the People have subpoenaed some documents that the Court has received and we ask that those be released to the People, with a stipulation to the Defense counsel to provide chain of custody as he provided them"

So wonder what those "documents" were that DT Defense provided to the Court.
** I AM NOT VICTIM BASHING nor am I defending anyone** I am only asking questions. DA at 1/18/18 presser prior to the Arraignment explaining some about what the charges were and some examples of why. He said that even though the victims were home schooled, they lacked basic knowledge on some things. I am paraphrasing but those words were used in reference to the 17 yr old that we know is JOR, example was she did not know what "medications" were when LEO were asking if any medications/pills were in the home. I saw at least one report stating she had photos on the phone but I am not sure if it is factual or not. Possible jmho.

Back to the documents that DT Defense turned over to the Court, I wonder if they are medical records. Seems like DT lawyer is who doing most of the talking. DT was who carried the medical insurance (CH 7 document and he was still employed/being transferred) It seems like he was the one who took care of "business". :thinking: I wonder if the young lady knew that they would be able to get documentation as to whether they had been to doctor or not. She will be their "star witness" jmho because she has the most charges and she is who escaped - bringing it all to light.

Reading the various statues and various pages, most have the "intent" part that the DA has to prove. Some of the things that the DA said just don't make sense or could be possibly explained. Like the new toys in boxes. They were in the process of moving and boxing stuff up. You can see the UHAUL boxes. There were musical instruments new. There were boxes that were various size "pull up" type garments as well as large boxes of wipes.
If the younger were small as stated, they could have bed wetting problems. That could also go with what the DA stated that they were in their own waste (paraphrasing) I not sure what the evidence is just thinking out loud.

It is just confusing the conflicting information. JMHO

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[leyash]

I don´t quite trust that.
Does anyone know the case of Genie Wiley?
That was many years ago, but still.
She ended up horribly. You´d think that she would be well taken care of after what she went through.
But it didn´t end so well.

I would hope and THINK that since this case has been so publicized, that they will be VERY particular about how these kids are taken care of, and they will be checked on often. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm not.

 

[leyash]

#Breaking #Newcharges in #Turpincase 3 new charges of child abuse against #DavidandLouiseTurpin and 1 new felony assault against #LouiseTurpin
#Turpins #turpinfamily #turpinchildren
https://twitter.com/sharonchenfox5/status/967158822316818432


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Ohhhh, felony assault. Is that for spitting?
Gah, that's what I'm hoping for at this point, I do not want to hear about these kids going through anything more horrendous than we've already heard about.

 

[leyash]

Am I the only one who gets kinda freaked when the look at each other all smiley?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5428831/Turpin-parents-hit-three-charges-child-abuse.html

I feel like she is smitten with him, completely smitten.

I can't fathom this, at all.

I mean, obviously he didn't do anything to stop the way that things were going around their home, but I feel like she played a bigger part in the treatment of the kids than he did. I really do. I don't know why, just a gut feeling I have, but she is so so so in love with him it would seem, and he's kinda... "Ugh... here we are..."

 

[BeesInMyBonnet]

Ohhhh, felony assault. Is that for spitting?
Gah, that's what I'm hoping for at this point, I do not want to hear about these kids going through anything more horrendous than we've already heard about.

I’m fairly certain spitting is a misdemeanor.

California penal code defines assault as “an unlawful attempt" to cause a violent injury on the person of another . . . an attempt to commit battery.”

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-assault-and-battery-laws.html


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[leyash]

I understand that the attorneys for the defense have a job to do... but my GOODNESS I could not take this case. There's NO WAY I would be able to come up with anything to defend their reprehensible actions. No way.

 

[arkansasmimi]

If they enter a not guilty plea, they can't take a plea deal, right? They have to enter a guilty plea to go for a plea deal? Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Also, if they enter a not guilty plea, doesn't that mean it's going to trial?

You always plea not guilty. The DA would have to offer a Plea, if they accept it then yes they would have to then "plea guilty" . Plea deal would usually be for lesser counts in return for taking the deal.

They over charge lots of times so that they can whittle it down. JMHO they won't go to trial on all these charges. Lots they have to prove Intent on. I hope we get to see some discovery.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Ugh, this makes me SO sad. These are the only people these children ever saw, the only people they were ever around. While I know their life is going to be MUCH better now, I can't fathom how hard it must be to be away from the only people you have ever spent time with, for your entire life.

I feel for them too, being away from their siblings. But for some reason I just don't think they were as isolated as we have been lead to believe. People saw them. I thinking some haven't come forward because not realizing or for many reasons. They had that van, have had it . If they were not going to use it to take them all somewhere I don't think they would have kept it. They had them listed on the home schooling rolls. Posted photos, neighbors saw them, maybe just not all together. I know a few large families. They are all close and have their own ways. That what saddens me for these, especially the 6 younger ones - not only separated from the older ones, but also 3 of the younger.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I understand that the attorneys for the defense have a job to do... but my GOODNESS I could not take this case. There's NO WAY I would be able to come up with anything to defend their reprehensible actions. No way.

Depends on what the allegations are vs what Defense knows. It is the DA job to prove the charges beyond reasonable doubt. We all have a right to representation. I just thankful no one was killed. One of the reporters asked a question if any were near death situations and he stated "not that we know of".

The sheer amount of getting all the evidence and stuff together on 42 charges, and all J names. I feel for ALL of the lawyer staffs.

DA stated there were 3 Advocates so maybe they are 1 for adults and 1 for ea set of 3 minors?

 

[leyash]

I really don't think that Mom was trying to protect her babies from anything. Just putting them through more torture honestly.

I can definitely agree with that, I am just thinking if she was sexually abused, or had to go through her sister being sexually abused, maybe in her twisted, corrupt mind, she THOUGHT she was protecting them from possibly being abused, know what I mean?

 

[leyash]

The kids were only allowed to shower once a year.

When the kids washed their hands, if the water went above their wrists, they were punished.

That is absolutely horrific. I need to go back and re-read the other 10 threads, but my goodness that is overwhelming right now.

 

[leyash]

I actually think the abuse started little by little in an attempt to save money, but escalated into cruelty.
It IS MASSIVELY expensive to have such a big family, so it makes sense to me.

Yeah... I can see that. Like, 20 years ago, "let's just have sandwiches for lunch..." and then it turned into half a sandwich, and then it turned into quarter sandwiches three times a day, etc.

They definitely weren't STARVED, because they wouldn't be alive, but it's so so obvious that they weren't getting enough food to sustain themselves healthily, as they are severely malnourished, so I'm thinking it was "rationing food gone wrong" and they just kept going with it.

They were probably more concerned about their vacations and trips and FUN times rather than the daily expenses of having so many children.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I also wonder if the dependent adults since they got an order over the adults, if they have to stay in the assisted living because of having custody over them.

Will JOR when she turns 18 be on her own if she wishes or will will they get an order on her too as they got for the other adults?

 

[leyash]

I’m fairly certain spitting is a misdemeanor.

California penal code defines assault as “an unlawful attempt" to cause a violent injury on the person of another . . . an attempt to commit battery.”

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-assault-and-battery-laws.html


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Wait... spitting at a police officer is a misdemeanor? Am I reading that wrong?
I'm in Texas, and if you spit at or on a police officer, it's assault on a peace officer, which I'm 99% certain is a felony.

 

[BeesInMyBonnet]

Wait... spitting at a police officer is a misdemeanor? Am I reading that wrong?
I'm in Texas, and if you spit at or on a police officer, it's assault on a peace officer, which I'm 99% certain is a felony.

I forgot a police officer was involved. 🤷🏼*♀️

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[leyash]

You always plea not guilty. The DA would have to offer a Plea, if they accept it then yes they would have to then "plea guilty" . Plea deal would usually be for lesser counts in return for taking the deal.

They over charge lots of times so that they can whittle it down. JMHO they won't go to trial on all these charges. Lots they have to prove Intent on. I hope we get to see some discovery.

I'm not understanding the comment about "You always plea not guilty." I've seen several cases (in fact, I am involved in one) where the person plead guilty from the get-go.

 

[Bill Carson]

I understand that the attorneys for the defense have a job to do... but my GOODNESS I could not take this case. There's NO WAY I would be able to come up with anything to defend their reprehensible actions. No way.

Sometimes all the defense attorneys can do is make sure the process is fair and make sure all evidence is presented in the proper context. They are also there to make sure the defendants understand the charges and have a realistic expectation of the outcome.

Also, keep in mind that there is another case going on simultaneously with the criminal trial: the dependency and neglect case with child protective services and adult protective services. They will be having regular hearings to make sure the children are taken care of and, eventually, to determine whether DT and LT's parental rights are terminated as to the minor children. They are required by law to investigate relatives for possible placement, but they will also want to see that the children stay together to the extent possible, and have frequent contact.

 

[Bill Carson]

I'm not understanding the comment about "You always plea not guilty." I've seen several cases (in fact, I am involved in one) where the person plead guilty from the get-go.

Can you give us some examples? I, for one, have never seen a defendant plead guilty at the first appearance in court unless there was already a plea bargain in place. MOO

 

[leyash]

Sometimes all the defense attorneys can do is make sure the process is fair and make sure all evidence is presented in the proper context. They are also there to make sure the defendants understand the charges and have a realistic expectation of the outcome.

Also, keep in mind that there is another case going on simultaneously with the criminal trial: the dependency and neglect case with child protective services and adult protective services. They will be having regular hearings to make sure the children are taken care of and, eventually, to determine whether DT and LT's parental rights are terminated as to the minor children. They are required by law to investigate relatives for possible placement, but they will also want to see that the children stay together to the extent possible, and have frequent contact.

Yeah, I definitely understand that, and they are entitled to a defense team and proper representation. I just personally don't think I could do it. Hearing all of the horrible things these 13 people had to go through... I just couldn't. I definitely don't think I could bring myself to try to convince a jury that they shouldn't be punished to the harshest degree (I know defense attorneys usually try to get lesser punishments, etc.)

Blah. The whole thing is just sad and sickening to me.

 

[leyash]

Can you give us some examples? I, for one, have never seen a defendant plead guilty at the first appearance in court unless there was already a plea bargain in place. MOO

Without going into TOO much detail, I have a person who I am fairly close to (not necessarily by choice, haha), that is charged with felony stalking. He plead guilty at his first appearance, from what I understand. Now they are proceeding with evidence to come to a conclusion for his sentencing.

FWIW, this is information HE gave me. He said he plead guilty because he knows that they have video evidence, and so what's the point in pleading not guilty? He said if he plead guilty, he felt like they would have some leniency on him as far as sentencing goes.