CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

[cady]

I agree. Eta, to the part about law, fairness.

It is a natural human response so I can understand why people say that.

The thing is, there is no way to do to DT and LT what they did to their own children. (It is unconstitutional, for one thing, but besides that it is literally impossible.) They stole years of their children's lives.

The fact is, there is strong evidence against them. It is very likely they will spend the rest of their lives in prison. That is the next to worst punishment there is.

But, it is very upsetting they wouldn't even feed or wash their kids. Allegedly.

Just my own opinion, but I think that life behind bars IS the worst. Given a choice, I would choose death! (but not by the state....I'd end my own life) But most criminals love being criminal......so I imagine that even the opportunity to continue criminality during life behind bars is enough reason for them to want to be alive, and carry on as best they can. The good news is that they are removed from society at large, so we don't have to be hurt by them. JMO (I personally oppose the imposition of death by the state....done in the names of citizens of the state. Just lock them up and keep them away from all of us! JMO JMO JMO

 

[enelram]

The reason they would need ID would be to drink, right? Did they allow the 21 year old kids to drink? Otherwise, does anyone need ID for any reason?

If they went inside any casinos in Vegas, they would have been asked for ID's for proof of ages of children. I'll bet they
walked in, was immediately confronted by casino employee, asked to prove ages of children and when they couldn't, they were escorted out the door. Pronto. Casinos are adamant about minors. And el cheapo David wasn't gonna
spend money gambling. Maybe LT would have though.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Just my own opinion, but I think that life behind bars IS the worst.

Yes, IMO also.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The reason they would need ID would be to drink, right? Did they allow the 21 year old kids to drink? Otherwise, does anyone need ID for any reason?

Some places you have to have to be a certain age just to enter. Heck they could have played slots. We took my daughter and her friend shortly after their 21st, and they had to show.

And in the United States and apparently abroad you need identification to prove you are who you're presenting self to be. Unsure if this serious question or not.

 

[December]

Just my own opinion, but I think that life behind bars IS the worst. Given a choice, I would choose death! (but not by the state....I'd end my own life) But most criminals love being criminal......so I imagine that even the opportunity to continue criminality during life behind bars is enough reason for them to want to be alive, and carry on as best they can. The good news is that they are removed from society at large, so we don't have to be hurt by them. JMO (I personally oppose the imposition of death by the state....done in the names of citizens of the state. Just lock them up and keep them away from all of us! JMO JMO JMO

Some people are being held by life sentences to keep everyone safe, yes.

 

[human]

Just my own opinion, but I think that life behind bars IS the worst. Given a choice, I would choose death! (but not by the state....I'd end my own life) But most criminals love being criminal......so I imagine that even the opportunity to continue criminality during life behind bars is enough reason for them to want to be alive, and carry on as best they can. The good news is that they are removed from society at large, so we don't have to be hurt by them. JMO (I personally oppose the imposition of death by the state....done in the names of citizens of the state. Just lock them up and keep them away from all of us! JMO JMO JMO

There are criminals who become institutionalized. They prefer the routine of prison. For some, apparently, it is ok

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Community College one son attended, I'd required. Could possibly be he didn't return after Spring semester because his ID (if came from Texas) expired?
https://www.msjc.edu/StudentServices/EnrollmentServices/Pages/New-Students.aspx

I don't think a photo ID is required to enroll in Community College in California if you apply with an SSN. Also you can enroll as a concurrent enrollment student as a 10th through 12th grader and the only requirement was that as 'principal,' DT would have had to sign the form. Also the Accuplacer tests are optional. California Community Colleges in some areas have also become "sanctuary colleges" and don't even require the SSN anymore in some cases. You don't have to prove you are a resident of the State of California, don't have to produce a passport, birth certificate, SSN or anything.

 

[human]

The only case I can think of is when they are getting in to Disneyland. The staff may be skeptical that that many are children. I highly doubt these parents introduced their kids to bars and drinking.

Does Disney ask for ID?

 

[human]

Some places you have to have to be a certain age just to enter. Heck they could have played slots. We took my daughter and her friend shortly after their 21st, and they had to show.

And in the United States and apparently abroad you need identification to prove you are who you're presenting self to be. Unsure if this serious question or not.

Serious question. I live abroad and for some things I need to show my passport. Such as exchanging money at a bank from dollars to local currency. And to buy a cell phone. That is the local flip phone for $42, Otherwise, do not need ID.

I am wondering why anyone would need an id if they are not doing anything such as drinking or legal requirements

 

[cady]

Some people are being held by life sentences to keep everyone safe, yes.

I can't imagine that these two will get anything less than life sentences. It will be interesting to learn of any viable mitigation. I don't think that anything close to insanity will fly, given her pattern of calculated treatment of her kids over decades, and his employability. We shall see. JMO

 

[her]

Right. And at some point in time I guess this country decided all children have a right to be educated, despite any family or financial circumstances, thus they have to be enrolled in school. However, instead of making sure that right is not denied, and that they are in fact being educated in a safe environment, we have allowed parental rights to not be interfered with in some states, and so there is little to no oversight of homeschooling. It seems parents' rights are overshadowing the rights of the children that we long ago decided they have.

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I don’t know what you’re talking about but Florida has an extreme amount of over sight with homeschooling.

 

[kiwi50]

New Zealand here.

 

[gitana1]

All the headlines today declare Louise Turpin smiled as the judge told her and DT they would be barred from seeing or contacting their children...the worst case of deception on this, The weekly Standard - instead of actually showing LT's reaction, overlaid the still of her smiling as the judge reads the RO.

After searching all over for the entire hearing video, I could only find this clip, which shows she is, in fact, not smiling at all:
https://youtu.be/WDA1DH6LbD0

The American press has been reduced to click-bait, and a disturbing number of their audience eats it up, without question. These parents, as horrible as the allegations are, deserve a fair trial in a courtroom, not in the media.

That's only a clip. She did in fact smile, during the hearing.

I have not seen one, reputable American news source claim she was smiling AS the court read the RO. Especially not in a headline.

All I could find stating something close to that is Hollywood Life (not a reputable news source).

I found the Daily Star stating that but they are not reputable nor American.

Also, the Evening Standard is not an American news source. It is a U.K. Tabloid run by a Russian dude.

I feel the American news media has done a good job covering this case.

I'm certain these monsters are getting much more fair treatment by our media and government than their children could ever dream
of.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Not vlpate, but jmho point is just what has happened, all the discussion of opinion by one ss in court as if she was all smiles. Just like the ss of -DT. How many times have we seen a ss from a video or shot where someone looks horrible or some way that when you see the whole thing in full of context is totally different. People have formed opinions of these people by headlines and ss. Those are not evidence. Jmho

I never once said it was evidence.

 

[cady]

MIMI Not sure it could be less horrific, but you are right. There are 15 stories here. JMO We only know what is clearly evident.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Unfortunately, it reminds me of another case where there was so much going on outside the case in Chief, that nobody focused on the charges itself. I have gone through the last page of threads and see it is a majority of the post. IMHO.

What? We are allowed to go a little OT. ......

 

[ilovepierre]

Does Disney ask for ID?

No.
The only time ID would be required is if you buy wine in California Adventures.
Some of the Downtown Disney restaurants will ask for ID if alcohol is being ordered.
I've never had to show ID at Disney and I go there a lot.

IMO

 

[Mamamerced]

Vlpate wrote
"We go on about opiate addiction, overcrowded prisons, crime, shootings, etc., but God forbid we talk about the root cause of the vast majority of these issues - generational bad parenting."

Thank you! This is the Pandora's box our culture doesn't want to open. It's easier to focus on money being the root if all evil while "bad" parenting is considered to be a private matter.

 

[blue22]

No.
The only time ID would be required is if you buy wine in California Adventures.
Some of the Downtown Disney restaurants will ask for ID if alcohol is being ordered.
I've never had to show ID at Disney and I go there a lot.

IMO

Agree. We've never been asked for ID at Disneyland or World.

 

[jilly]

Dt's brother and LT's family want to adopt some of the children. See video of religious fanatic brother.

http://www.insideedition.com/media/videos/uncle-13-turpin-victims-wants-adopt-them-40117

yikes! nopey nope on that brother!

Waaay too early to start thinking about where the children should go, imo