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Why would there be flooding to that extent? Are they on a flood plain?
Yes.
Someone uptgread mentioned that Rio Vista is situated on a flood plain.
Why would there be flooding to that extent? Are they on a flood plain?
It appears to me there was probably carpet that was ripped out, along with the floorboards. Maybe what looks like feces is filthy remnant floor padding that’s crusted to the wood floorboards?
ETA: lol, I just saw the post above this one. Seems we’re thinking the same thing!!
Black used to be the color of the very thin padding put down under what I call "office carpet" - the very, very low carpet.Ive seen beige, yellowish, blueish, brown, calico-colored carpet padding. Never black.
Black used to be the color of the very thin padding put down under what I call "office carpet" - the very, very low carpet.
My dad remodeled houses, so I saw lots of different kinds.
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I'm no psychologist, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Stockholm Syndrome would not apply where the "captors" are a child's parents. Children have a natural and biological love and affinity for parents, even for parents who abuse, neglect, or abandon them.
Yep!
Yes, the baseboards are removed after a flood to help the water drain and to try to get air between the studs. I didn't notice the baseboards were missing when I glanced at the photo, but that's definitely another sign there has been flooding. We removed our sheetrock and replaced it (then moved to a brand new home high on a hill). Some of our neighbors just tried to wash their walls and floors with bleach water without removing the wet sheetrock and insulation, and ended up with stinky, moldy homes. Sad.
Thank you Spice for checking first. Before I say yes what is the name of the publication this study comes from?
Thanks,
Tricia
Institutional deprivationEdit From earlier Link-
Children that receive impoverished stimulation due to being confined to cots without social interaction or reliable caretakers in low quality orphanages show severe delays in cognitive and social development.[62] 12% of them if adopted after 6 months of age show autistic or mildly autistic traits later at four years of age.[63] Some children in such impoverished orphanages at two and half years of age still fail to produce intelligible words, though a year of foster care enabled such children to catch up in their language in most respects.[64] Catch-up in other cognitive functioning also occurs after adoption, though problems continue in many children if this happens after the age of 6 months[65]
Just posted this to show potential long term problems from early neglect.
Not to mention no experience/frame of reference on which to base their opinions of what a normal family looks like.Maybe they thought all people lived this way.
Thank you for posting that video, I hadn't seen it. It gave a pretty good chronology of the moves from Ft. Worth to Rio Vista to California.
The Fort Worth house was clean and neat at the 1:45 mark. (I presume it was the Ft. Worth house...anyway).
Something must have happened before they moved out of the Fort Worth house, since it was left so dirty. I know that houses look dirtier when you move out and move the furniture and expose the clean carpet which makes the traffic area look really dirty, but that was way beyond that. Real dirty, dirty carpet and walls and doors. Yuck.
It does sound like they tried to home school, if there were desks lined up like a school at some point in Rio Vista. I wonder if they used the brick house for school when they moved to the mobile home, or what?
Their firstborn (a daughter) was born in Los Angeles county in the late 80s-- which fits with the "more than 20 years ago" in this article. They started as newlyweds in an apartment in the SW part of Tarrant County (a suburb of Fort Worth where he apparently was employed), then were in CA at least long enough to give birth to JT1. But by 1990 they had addresses in TX again.
I’ve seen beige, yellowish, blueish, brown, calico-colored carpet padding. Never black.
Not to mention no experience/frame of reference on which to base their opinions of what a normal family looks like.Maybe they thought all people lived this way.
Summary: The authors, affiliated with a range of medical and educational institutions across the country, here come together to report on 28 cases of extreme child abuse, finding that the term “torture” aptly summarizes what these children experienced.
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In every case reported on here, a female adult was involved in the abuse. In 20 cases a male was also involved. For all cases all adults in the home knew what was going on, and most partially confessed their crimes, though they usually minimalized or rationalized their involvement. The authors provide a table detailing the abusive treatment for every child in the sample that makes for horrifying reading. They also provide some very disturbing photographs with descriptions in a couple of the cases.
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The authors note that in many of the cases physicians failed to diagnose the torture when presented with a malnourished child with bruises and broken bones. Some of these children were even visited by protective service agents at home, who missed these signs.
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In interviews with the children, the authors suggest that open-ended questions like “tell me about meal time” or “what are the rules about sleep or potty” are best, because the children will likely not recognize their treatment as abusive since it’s all they know. Most basically, social service agents and family physicians need to be made aware of the medical definition of torture the authors have provided here so that they can recognize it when they see it. Over half of the cases reported on in this article had been previously reported to child protective services but exonerated.
Yes, totally!
If the roof was in bad shape, too, that could easily contribute to water damage and mold throughout the home, especially if the carpeting was wet/damp for any length of time.
Years ago, there was a boy in the news who had been starved by his parents or foster parents (can't remember for sure).BBM
When the police rescued them the children communicated that they were "starving", and LE fed them immediately. I don't think they lost their appetite.
Yeah, I'm almost positive Jaycee & her kids were not chained. They were certainly limited to their living area in the backyard but they weren't restrained.
I'm sure we'd know if Prader-Willi was a factor. I'm certain it's not. Good point tho. I too am really into speculating about what the heck the defense will pull outta their butts for this case!
Parents may lock up food or hide food if someone in the household has bulimia or binge eating disorder/compulsive overeating. I've experienced this myself firsthand. Obviously w/ 13 kids that can't be their excuse. Like, it's impossible that all 13 have Prader-Willi or another eating or feeding disorder. And feeding disorders include such things as nocturnal eating/sleepwalk-eating; extreme picky eating; rumination syndrome .. and even a lot of functional GI disorders such as GERD, IBS & IBDs can cause "phantom" hunger and malabsorption that can contribute to strange eating patterns (I live this myself every day of my life). Again, defense is outta luck 'cause not ALL 13 kids can possibly have such a condition (insert huge eye roll here).
Lauren Kavanaugh's mother successfully duped her relatives & her other children into believing Lauren had a compulsive-overeating-type eating disorder, saying that was why she was excluded from meals & locked out of cupboards. Indeed, the little girl DID compulsively eat anything she could get her hands on, bc of her prolonged starvation/malnutrition...so of course this only served to bolster the mom's original excuse, so everyone believed it. How messed up is that?!
Back to the Ts: I felt a teeny tiny bit of sympathy when ppl were speculating upthread that sheer lack of resources/finances may have started the spiral of food deprivation...but if the parents were eating out that often (Taco Bell every day?!) that's just crappy financial planning & meal planning on their part. Anyone who's ever been on a budget knows how to clip coupons and just boil up a ton of pasta for the week to really stretch their food dollar. Sure, the kids' diet wouldn't have been that "healthy" but at least calories would be going in more than once a day. It takes a LOT of planning & organization to feed a family of 15, plus 2 dogs. Mama Turpin is lazy or just doesn't care enough. Sad. Managing a big family is a job in itself, no doubt about it...but that's what you get when you choose to have that many children. I was raised LDS and I grew up knowing several families with 8 or more kids. It's tough but it can be done.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_enrichment
This is an article about enriched/deprived environment and the effects on cognitive development.
It does talk about experiments with rats at first, but it does address different situations with children. (Eta, humans in general)
It also helps explain some of the statements doctors have made in regard to this case.
When sheetrock gets water, it swells. Think of when you get a book wet. Is there swelling of sheetrock in that picture?
And mold will destroy your lungs
Only if submerged for a length of time. My sheetrock didn't expand after the flood and neither did my neighbors. Flood waters went up and then quickly receded. I removed my sheetrock but many of my neighbors did not. They washed with bleach water, put fans on it, and moved back in. They only way you can tell their houses were flooded is on humid days, their homes smell really dank and musty - like a cave.
A lot of flood victims don't remove their sheetrock, even though they should. They can't afford it.
In the photo posted of the T's living room, there's cupping of the wood floor planks, especially noticeable in the foreground, to the left, which also indicates water damage.
Very odd... I've never seen a refrigerator chained to the wall, even when I lived in SoCal earthquake zone. It's a good idea, we bolt every bookcase to the wall, but in 11 houses, in different areas of the country, I've never had a fridge attached to the wall.Just about the write the same. Most refrigerators have safety chains so it doesn't topple.
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