CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #4

[MsJosie]

The world was crazy prior to 9/11, but most of the terrorism happened overseas. It slapped North America in the face on 9/11, and I think we've all felt OUR world had changed since that date, and so sadly I think there will be much more to come.

I'm going to the USA border tomorrow or Monday to talk to the agents there. After 9/11 I had strong information about a very suspicious angry militant Muslim. Talked to Cdn. authorities, they didn't seem to give a damn (I was shocked and sickened). I contacted US authorities, got some interest, but something was just not right still. Could not go to the media to complain (that would be stupid considering the subject matter), so I just "stuffed it" and prayed that nothing would happen. I google this guy regularly. He is now in the US. I think I need to remind the authorities again, even if it's just so that if anything happens near where he is located he can be contacted. I think this is why I have been so triggered by these recent events. I'm feeling quite down and fearful.

Without going into details, after 9/11 a few of the actions I took were a bit risky (due to total "don't give a damn" by the Canadian authorities). I was collecting more (physical) proof. I wanted to just stuff this memory away, but it's been sitting in my head since 9/11. I think I need to resurrect it again.

Very proud of you. Thank you. I hope some authority will listen.

 

[hambirg]

As far as the day. . .Dec 2nd, I wondered if it could have some type of meaning. I found that the Jerusalem riots were on
Dec 2, 1947. Interestingly, there were also 14 victims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jerusalem_riots

I also found this article about home grown radicalization and the recruiting that goes on. Quite frightening!

Alex, a 23-year-old Sunday school teacher and babysitter, was trembling with excitement the day she told her Twitter followers that she had converted to Islam.

For months, she had been growing closer to a new group of friends online — the most attentive she had ever had — who were teaching her what it meant to be a Muslim. Increasingly, they were telling her about the Islamic State and how the group was building a homeland in Syria and Iraq where the holy could live according to God’s law.

One in particular, Faisal, had become her nearly constant companion, spending hours each day with her on Twitter, Skype and email, painstakingly guiding her through the fundamentals of the faith.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/world/americas/isis-online-recruiting-american.html

 

[CARIIS]

I think we all would agree landlord simple guy . go to 12:00-- he never said they could go in..........................................

[video=youtube;IeTooSbe1Wo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTooSbe1Wo[/video]

 

[AngelWings444]

Sorry guys. Didn't mean to mislead you. One of the women, was at the event that was attacked, went to a vigil tonight and her home was robbed while she was gone. My computer froze and I couldn't correct.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Sorry guys. Didn't mean to mislead you. One of the women, was at the event that was attacked, went to a vigil tonight and her home was robbed while she was gone. My computer froze and I couldn't correct.

Why do people have to suck so much? :furious:

ETA: My aunt's house was burgled either the night before or the day of her funeral. Vultures.

 

[wendiesan]

On this day, the anniversary of the Montreal Massacre, when 14 female engineering students at l'École Polytechnique de Montréal were murdered in 1989, I am reminded of the devastation that a single terrorist can cause. In the tragedy of San Bernadino, the pain and horror seem to have been perpetrated by two extremists who hid both their inclinations and their preparations from detection even from their family. Across the borders of geography, language, political preference, and social status, I believe we have all been affected.

From shock, to denial, negotiation, guilt, anger, and depression to acceptance and hope.
However long from one step to the next, in these and so many other circumstances which threaten to overwhelm us, may we all arrive at hope.

[video=youtube;cl_diN-Midg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl_diN-Midg[/video]

 

[Sonya610]

Of course not. The local mosque is an obvious place to investigate in such a situation, investigate away. Just my opinion, but I'd be willing to bet good money that it won't stem from there.

I don't think the chicken texts were related to the plot.

Having said that did you see the interview with the guys at his local mosque? They were extremely creepy imo. I don't know if they were aware of a potential plot but they seemed to make it clear they had NO sympathy for the victims, they only talked about how they were being victimized.

If they are worried about backlash one would think they wouldn't go out of their way to come off as terrorist sympathizers.

 

[Elley Mae]

Here's a link. http://www.businessinsider.com/syed-farook-friend-bought-guns-used-in-san-bernardino-attack

Witnesses to the massacre reported one, two or three gunmen, and on Wednesday, officials said they thought there were probably three.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?_r=0

Investigators were confident that there were just two people who did the shooting, he said.

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Can't find it now but I know I read early on that isis thanked the 3, still will look but I think that part went, pfff. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Why do people have to suck so much? :furious:

ETA: My aunt's house was burgled either the night before or the day of her funeral. Vultures.

I remember my dad(le) telling me about that 40 years ago. They (robbers) would scope out the obituary sections for funerals, knowing that the home would be empty at that time of day, very sad for your aunt. jmo

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by BarryW View Post
The world was crazy prior to 9/11, but most of the terrorism happened overseas. It slapped North America in the face on 9/11, and I think we've all felt OUR world had changed since that date, and so sadly I think there will be much more to come.

I'm going to the USA border tomorrow or Monday to talk to the agents there. After 9/11 I had strong information about a very suspicious angry militant Muslim. Talked to Cdn. authorities, they didn't seem to give a damn (I was shocked and sickened). I contacted US authorities, got some interest, but something was just not right still. Could not go to the media to complain (that would be stupid considering the subject matter), so I just "stuffed it" and prayed that nothing would happen. I google this guy regularly. He is now in the US. I think I need to remind the authorities again, even if it's just so that if anything happens near where he is located he can be contacted. I think this is why I have been so triggered by these recent events. I'm feeling quite down and fearful.

Without going into details, after 9/11 a few of the actions I took were a bit risky (due to total "don't give a damn" by the Canadian authorities). I was collecting more (physical) proof. I wanted to just stuff this memory away, but it's been sitting in my head since 9/11. I think I need to resurrect it again.

I feel your pain, BarryW.. As a retired Atlanta firefighter, that worked with NYFD firefighter applicants. I was slapped in the face very hard on 9/11/2001, and I knew that our world had forever changed on that date. Sadly, due to our vulnerability, there will be many more unsuspecting attacks to come, imo.

I had a similiar experience as yours during the recent Chattanooga, TN shooter incident by jihadist lone wolf Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez.

While sleuthing another TN case, I remembered reading about a mysterious incident concerning a gunfight between a security guard and an armed unknown suspicious man wearing a dark hoodie at 2 AM on 04/22/2013 in a restricted area at the Watts Bar Nuclear facility, in Spring City, TN, only 48 miles away. I remembered thinking, 'that seems to be a possible recon mission by a terrorist'..

<Fast forward 2 years to July 2015 when Abdulazeez killed four Marines and a Sailor in an attack on Chattanooga's U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center>

When I learned of the route taken in the rented mustang muscle car by jihadist Abdulazeez and his friends two consecutive days prior to the attack, a red flag went up. After google mapping the route taken by MYA in the high speed practice run, imo it was obvious as to his likely destination on that tragic July day.. The destination was within a rock's throw of the Watts Bar Nuclear Plant..

I contacted the Chattanooga Shooter Incident Command center and relayed this information to an FBI agent. He was unaware of the 2013 gunfight with the Security Guard at the Watts Bar Nuclear facility..

It was later revealed by msm that jihadist Abdulazeez suddenly moved in with Ohio relatives in May of 2013 and went to work at the Perry Nuclear Plant, east of Cleveland, OH, only weeks after the TN Watts Bar Nuclear Plant gunfight, but was let go after 10 days due to failing his drug screen. After loosing the job, Abdulazeez did not return to TN, but landed a job at a trucking company and stayed in OH with relatives..

Chattanooga Shooter Failed Background Check At Job At Nuclear Plant
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...oga-shootings-being-investigated-as-terrorism

TVA mum on Watts Bar Nuclear Plant shooting details
April 2013 - http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2013/apr/25/tva-mum-on-shooting-details/106310/

Investigators caution not to overplay this detail. It happened in 2013 and sources tell NPR the FBI does not believe agents need to go back further than a year in trying to trace Abdulazeez's possible radicalization. This employment history would fall outside that window.
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FBI Director James Comey: Motive in Chattanooga shooting may never be released
Posted: Nov 13, 2015
Read more: http://www.wsmv.com/story/30515168/...-shooting-may-never-be-released#ixzz3tXYWw24N
<snipped - read more>

"We're still trying to make sure we understand Abdulazeez, his motivations and associations, in a really good way," FBI Director James Comey told reporters during a visit to Nashville's FBI field office on Friday.
Comey said he understands the public interest in the shooting, but he did not know whether there would ever be a public report on it.
"Sometimes the way we investigate requires us to keep information secret. That's a good thing. We don't want to smear people," he said.


"SMH"!

 

[pappa rob]

Neighbor purportedly bought 'assault-style' weapons used by San Bernardino suspects.
An old neighbor of the two San Bernardino shooting suspects is believed to have purchased the "assault-style" rifles used in Wednesday's attack, according to authorities.

LE officials raided the Riverside home of XXXXX XXXXXXX, who lived next door to an old address of shooter Syed Farook, according to public records. Two of the highly-modified assault weapons had been purchased by a third party suspected to be XXXXX. The gun purchaser was "not a suspect, at least at this point."


http://abc13.com/news/police-suspect-neighbor-bought-weapons-used-in-san-bernardino-attack/1111372/
Sorry if this has been posted already..

 

[Sonya610]

When the authorities say the guns were "legally purchased" they are either confused about California law or they are just plain lying (and I don't think they are confused).

The guns were NOT purchased by Farook legally and they were NOT registered as required under California law.

California banned direct private party rifle sales in 1994! It took me 20 minutes to find out when that law took effect, link is below. All private party firearm sales in CA have to go through an FFL dealer so the buyer can be checked out and the gun registered in their name if required. ARs require registration in CA.

FYI if the friend HAD gone to an FFL dealer for the transfer the authorities never would have looked for him much less raided his house, there would be no reason to as the FFL dealer would be listed as the official seller.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130117/private-sales-restrictions-and-gun-registration

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-couple-San-Bernardino-killed-14-people.html

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs#1

 

[MBK]

http://http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/watch-us-prayers-chaos-ensue-terror-hits-home-35599445

I thought that this was a good article with some items I didn't know. Helpful description of the room where the terrorist attack, the Christmas Party Massacre, took place. That is, it was decorated for Christmas with a tree, ornaments hanging from the ceiling, red tablecloths, etc.

co-workers had spent the day Monday decking out the room for upcoming festivities. A tree wrapped with red ribbon sat off to one side. Long banquet tables were adorned with red cloths.

The center's annual holiday party for clients was Tuesday afternoon, and a winter dance complete with ugly sweater contest was scheduled three days later. In between, the auditorium had been rented to an outside client: The county's Division of Environmental Health Services had scheduled a training session and holiday luncheon for as many as 90 employees on Wednesday.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not sure when the long guns were purchased.

Anyone who registered an assault weapon with the California Department of Justice&#8217;s Bureau of Firearms before Jan. 23, 2001, effectively was grandfathered in. All told, that&#8217;s 145,253 guns that would be illegal if purchased today.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/...f-assault-weapons-remain-legal-in-california/

Owners of these grandfathered guns need to keep a signed letter from the state proving they are the legal owner. They aren&#8217;t allowed to sell it or give it away; it&#8217;s a felony to transfer ownership of a registered assault weapon.

 

[popsicle]

Fox- Muhammed Assa(d) or (n) an ISIS recruiter that use to work out of MN now in another country somewhere- several communications between him and Farook. FBI has people looking for him now. Also another person r/t ISIS but I don't want to put the wrong name.

 

[Nana]

I got up this morning with a weird feeling, I know it might sound crazy..
His job was working with the health department inspecting food surfaces at restaurants and bakery's (I think that's correct).
Well Taylor farms (e-coli) in Tracy CA 5 hour drive per Google, I know crazy thought but look how many people got sick hospitalized etc..
Has there been an explanation why the E. coli happened?
When you look at the foods that was contaminated a lot were asian brands also.
I'm not sure what I'm asking or how to put it out there, I just hope this was not his handy work and no one is looking.
Sorry for the ramble.

 

[MBK]

I wonder if the feds have seized Syed's work computer, or are accessing the servers at his work . . . .

 

[Nana]

Good report -- thanks!

Oh my!
Again on my ramble chicken??
Wasn't the first repot of E. coli on chicken salad from costco's

This really needs to get out of my head!

 

[MBK]

I got up this morning with a weird feeling, I know it might sound crazy..
His job was working with the health department inspecting food surfaces at restaurants and bakery's (I think that's correct).
Well Taylor farms (e-coli) in Tracy CA 5 hour drive per Google, I know crazy thought but look how many people got sick hospitalized etc..
Has there been an explanation why the E. coli happened?
When you look at the foods that was contaminated a lot were asian brands also.
I'm not sure what I'm asking or how to put it out there, I just hope this was not his handy work and no one is looking.
Sorry for the ramble.

They need to check out EVERY PLACE he inspected and talk to the people there. They need to find out what was contained in every single package he received in the mail. The arms of this plot may be quite far-reaching. Good post.

 

[Sonya610]

Not sure when the long guns were purchased.

Anyone who registered an assault weapon with the California Department of Justice&#8217;s Bureau of Firearms before Jan. 23, 2001, effectively was grandfathered in. All told, that&#8217;s 145,253 guns that would be illegal if purchased today.

I believe the guns were purchased in 2011? The rifles were purchased around the same time as the handguns. We can be sure they weren't bought by the friend prior to 2001, these guys would have been underage at that time.

As far as registering "assault rifles" that part gets fuzzy and I didn't feel like looking it up, it took me quite a while to find out when private party sales were banned.

California banned the sale of classic AR/AKs (or rifles with a detachable magazine) a while ago but that started the whole bullet button craze as a workaround for buying/selling CA legal ARs.

I don't know if ARs with a bullet button require registration.