Found Deceased CA - Audrey Moran, 26, & Jonathan Reynoso, 28, Riverside County, 10 May 2017 #1

[iscaremyself]

I was thinking that maybe the SUV was abandoned where it was, because those involved were headed to Moreno Valley, and wanted to get rid of the vehicle before doing so. If you look at Riverside/Coroner reports, much of the violent crimes for that county come out of Moreno. Not only have there been a lot of gang shootings in that area, but women have gone missing only to be found later in a field, that sort of thing.

I have to think that whoever did this had another vehicle and had help.

imo the car is a red herring, dumped in the opposite direction from where things occurred. Audrey was in coachella she left to go south. The car was found an hours drive the other direction..past coachella, past palm springs, almost past Beaumont. "They" didn't want the car found near their location. Driving and dumping it towards mexico has more risk, patrols and cameras.

 

[Eleven_11]

This long shot of the bank makes me think that perhaps they went 50 foot forward and up the bank. Where the vehicle was is pretty steep.

Yeah, I was going to say...I've driven by there a few times and the embankment next to the vehicle is really steep, I can't imagine someone walking up that.



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[BritYoung 802]

Does anyone familiar with I-10 in Beaumont, know if the spot the vehicle was found was just before, or just after the exit for Moreno Valley? I know Oak Parkway takes you to Moreno Valley.

The Oak Valley freeway exit is just after the 60/Moreno Valley exit if heading west.

I have a little picture of a map I was gonna post but not sure how to attach it. Anyway, I have family that live in Beaumont so I go up there often. There's a little baseball park off the exit on the north side that I've been to. There's also a golf course, gas station, a couple little restaurants next to the gas station, and a Holiday Inn. On the other side of the I-10 a little further west is a cemetery. I've tried to figure out where a person would go on foot from the car but there's not a lot of places.

 

[htiff]

The Oak Valley freeway exit is just after the 60/Moreno Valley exit if heading west.

I have a little picture of a map I was gonna post but not sure how to attach it. Anyway, I have family that live in Beaumont so I go up there often. There's a little baseball park off the exit on the north side that I've been to. There's also a golf course, gas station, a couple little restaurants next to the gas station, and a Holiday Inn. On the other side of the I-10 a little further west is a cemetery. I've tried to figure out where a person would go on foot from the car but there's not a lot of places.

What if they were driving? If whoever was involved had a second vehicle, where would you drive from there? And IscareMyself did make a good point, if you dumped the SUV closer to the Mexican Border there probably would be more cameras, so maybe that spot would have been a complete psych-out.

I just wonder, why there? There is all this expanse of freeway, why stop and drop there?

 

[offdutycriminologist]

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1. As indicated early in the thread, Jon was very active on social media, but Audrey and Jon were not active on each other's accounts. This may be a sign that the relationship was new or that one side's family didn't approve. Perhaps they ran away together?

2. They're young, there are no assets. Neither of them have children or own a car or home. Allow me again to point again to the Maura Murray case which many strongly suspect is a voluntary disappearance. Neither of these people had many obligations in life, making it easy to "start over."

3. The car owned by the Moran family was left on the side of a highway. It would be very easy to catch an Uber or Lyft to any train or bus station or an airport. The scent tracking could be an indicator of the couple waiting for their ride.

4. The text of the photo could be cold feet or a sign that they're going to be together.

5. The car came up completely clean. No evidence of foul play and the police are saying that homicide is in charge for resources only.

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[darring21]

<modsnip>

1. As indicated early in the thread, Jon was very active on social media, but Audrey and Jon were not active on each other's accounts. This may be a sign that the relationship was new or that one side's family didn't approve. Perhaps they ran away together?

2. They're young, there are no assets. Neither of them have children or own a car or home. Allow me again to point again to the Maura Murray case which many strongly suspect is a voluntary disappearance. Neither of these people had many obligations in life, making it easy to "start over."

3. The car owned by the Moran family was left on the side of a highway. It would be very easy to catch an Uber or Lyft to any train or bus station or an airport. The scent tracking could be an indicator of the couple waiting for their ride.

4. The text of the photo could be cold feet or a sign that they're going to be together.

5. The car came up completely clean. No evidence of foul play and the police are saying that homicide is in charge for resources only.

<modsnip>

This would also explain why there has been no information from LE or the family - they don't believe foul play,.

 

[htiff]

My comments in RED

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1. As indicated early in the thread, Jon was very active on social media, but Audrey and Jon were not active on each other's accounts. This may be a sign that the relationship was new or that one side's family didn't approve. Perhaps they ran away together?

I haven't read that the two were not on social media together. There are all kinds of chat-apps now, and the millennials I know prefer instagram and snap-chat to FB. FB is kind of the tool of older-people now. And actually, there are even more apps I can't name, I just get told about them by younger friends. So, not sure where that info. is coming from. I know that the families of each, only met after the disappearance and there has been no indication whatsoever that there was any disapproval of the relationship. In fact, the two families are working together at this time.

2. They're young, there are no assets. Neither of them have children or own a car or home. Allow me again to point again to the Maura Murray case which many strongly suspect is a voluntary disappearance. Neither of these people had many obligations in life, making it easy to "start over."

If you've read any of the reports, and watched interviews, there is nothing to indicate that these two had any reason to "start-over" and they were both very close to family and friends. This is documented. The fact that there are some who believe Maura Murray left voluntarily doesn't mean it is so. To date, there has been no sign of her, and if she left because she didn't want to be found drunk and driving again, enough time has passed that she could certainly have returned to her father by now. So, that's a complete unknown.

3. The car owned by the Moran family was left on the side of a highway. It would be very easy to catch an Uber or Lyft to any train or bus station or an airport. The scent tracking could be an indicator of the couple waiting for their ride.

But WHY do this? Audrey lived at home, was in school and had a job. JDR may have been in between jobs, but he had a very close group of friends and he and his family are tight. What would be the reason? And actually, I'm not sure in Beaumont just how easy Uber and Lyft are to get. Why leave the vehicle on a highway? What purpose does this serve?

4. The text of the photo could be cold feet or a sign that they're going to be together.

It could be that, but again, what indication is there that this was why the photo was sent?

5. The car came up completely clean. No evidence of foul play and the police are saying that homicide is in charge for resources only.

We only know that the car came up clean initially. We don't know what further tests have revealed.

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[offdutycriminologist]

My comments in RED

Thank you for your opinion. What evidence do you have that indicates they were kidnapped or killed, keeping in mind that RCSO openly stated homicide took the case for resource purposes only.

 

[htiff]

In regard to my theory that these two did not leave voluntarily: deductive reasoning:

There is no indication these two had any reason to leave. None. Absence of evidence, can be evidence. And the fact that they are young, and somewhat dependent on financial support from parents (at least Audrey was), makes leaving voluntarily seem even more improbable. How will they survive? Why would leaving people who loved them and where they have support be desirable?

These two have no known history of drug abuse. Nada. So the idea that they might leave to stay on drugs, doesn't fit any of the info. we've been given.

The place where the SUV was left makes no sense if someone was planning a voluntary escape. First, why not take the SUV farther, and then ditch it? Why take the SUV at all? What do they have to fear if their whereabouts were found out? Why not just tell everyone to go to hell and just take off, and be open about it? Why be secretive? They weren't minors. No one could make them stay.

Have you watched any of the interviews with family and friends? They do seem to believe that something happened.

Again, I don't know. But with the absence of any real motivation for leaving voluntarily, and no reason to leave in that way, even if they did want to go--deductive reasoning: the only remaining and reasonable theory is that whatever happened to them, was not their choice.

 

[htiff]

This would also explain why there has been no information from LE or the family - they don't believe foul play,.

Have you watched any of the KMIR interviews? I don't understand why you think that family is indifferent.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

In regard to my theory that these two did not leave voluntarily: deductive reasoning:

There is no indication these two had any reason to leave. None. Absence of evidence, can be evidence. And the fact that they are young, and somewhat dependent on financial support from parents (at least Audrey was), makes leaving voluntarily seem even more improbable. How will they survive? Why would leaving people who loved them and where they have support be desirable?

These two have no known history of drug abuse. Nada. So the idea that they might leave to stay on drugs, doesn't fit any of the info. we've been given.

The place where the SUV was left makes no sense if someone was planning a voluntary escape. First, why not take the SUV farther, and then ditch it? Why take the SUV at all? What do they have to fear if their whereabouts were found out? Why not just tell everyone to go to hell and just take off, and be open about it? Why be secretive? They weren't minors. No one could make them stay.

Have you watched any of the interviews with family and friends? They do seem to believe that something happened.

Again, I don't know. But with the absence of any real motivation for leaving voluntarily, and no reason to leave in that way, even if they did want to go--deductive reasoning: the only remaining and reasonable theory is that whatever happened to them, was not their choice.

They can get jobs. That's how people survive. Many people work under the table jobs without using social security numbers.

What does drug use have to do with voluntary disappearance and who suggested it?

If you were going to dump a car where would you leave it? <modsnip>

 

[Force Ten]

In regard to my theory that these two did not leave voluntarily: deductive reasoning:

There is no indication these two had any reason to leave. None. Absence of evidence, can be evidence. And the fact that they are young, and somewhat dependent on financial support from parents (at least Audrey was), makes leaving voluntarily seem even more improbable. How will they survive? Why would leaving people who loved them and where they have support be desirable?

These two have no known history of drug abuse. Nada. So the idea that they might leave to stay on drugs, doesn't fit any of the info. we've been given.

The place where the SUV was left makes no sense if someone was planning a voluntary escape. First, why not take the SUV farther, and then ditch it? Why take the SUV at all? What do they have to fear if their whereabouts were found out? Why not just tell everyone to go to hell and just take off, and be open about it? Why be secretive? They weren't minors. No one could make them stay.

Have you watched any of the interviews with family and friends? They do seem to believe that something happened.

Again, I don't know. But with the absence of any real motivation for leaving voluntarily, and no reason to leave in that way, even if they did want to go--deductive reasoning: the only remaining and reasonable theory is that whatever happened to them, was not their choice.

I agree. There doesn't appear to be any reason these two would want to disappear, unless they needed to. With the exception of him not having a job or vehicle, by all outward appearances, they seemed to have everything going for them. Typically young people will voluntarily disappear if they are in an abusive home or older people in the midst of some midlife crisis, but they were neither.

 

[htiff]

They can get jobs. That's how people survive. Many people work under the table jobs without using social security numbers.

What does drug use have to do with voluntary disappearance and who suggested it?

If you were going to dump a car where would you leave it? <modsnip>

Why do any of that? Why get a job and not use your SS#? Again, these are adults. If they want to go somewhere else, they can simply do this. No one can stop them. Why not take a bus from Indio?

The drug use is the only theory that works with a need to move away from people who loved them and then to behave so irrationally--otherwise, why do that?

<modsnip> And again, they are adults. If they wanted to move to timbuktu, no one can stop them. Also, there has been no report of their bank cards being used.

We can only go by what people say and what we know.

I found the family and friends to be quite believable, and I can't think of why they would lie.

 

[htiff]

I agree. There doesn't appear to be any reason these two would want to disappear, unless they needed to. With the exception of him not having a job or vehicle, by all outward appearances, they seemed to have everything going for them. Typically young people will voluntarily disappear if they are in an abusive home or older people in the midst of some midlife crisis, but they were neither.

And again, they are adults. There would be no need to create this "event" to leave. They could simply have packed their bags, said "seeee ya" and gone where ever the heck they wanted to. If they were 16, maybe. Maybe they would need to create a big ruse, and hide their whereabouts, because their families could force them to come home and to be separated. But there was nothing to prevent JDR and AM from doing pretty much, whatever they wanted to.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

Why do any of that? Why get a job and not use your SS#? Again, these are adults. If they want to go somewhere else, they can simply do this. No one can stop them. Why not take a bus from Indio?

The drug use is the only theory that works with a need to move away from people who loved them and then to behave so irrationally--otherwise, why do that?

<modsnip>. And again, they are adults. If they wanted to move to timbuktu, no one can stop them. Also, there has been no report of their bank cards being used.

We can only go by what people say and what we know.

I found the family and friends to be quite believable, and I can't think of why they would lie.

You wouldn't use your SSN if you were a voluntary missing person. That's kind of an established fact. I urge you to do some research on well known cases of people who went off the grid for many years. There are books published about it, I mentioned James Renner's book earlier that highlights one group that does it, etc.

The drug use theory is absurd. Drug users can barely take care of themselves much less stage a disappearance. They're focused on the next fix. A voluntary disappearance takes some planning and I think this one has all the hallmarks. Everything looks normal. Jon orders a pizza, keeps up with his friends, Audrey goes to visit her sister, and then, poof, they're gone.

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[htiff]

You wouldn't use your SSN if you were a voluntary missing person. That's kind of an established fact. I urge you to do some research on well known cases of people who went off the grid for many years. There are books published about it, I mentioned James Renner's book earlier that highlights one group that does it, etc.

The drug use theory is absurd. Drug users can barely take care of themselves much less stage a disappearance. They're focused on the next fix. A voluntary disappearance takes some planning and I think this one has all the hallmarks. Everything looks normal. Jon orders a pizza, keeps up with his friends, Audrey goes to visit her sister, and then, poof, they're gone.

<modsnip>

I said they WEREN'T on drugs.

To the rest...I really don't know what to say. <modsnip>

I am working off of interviews, news articles and police reports. What evidence actually known to us, at this time, supports your assertions?

PS Renner is controversial, and not really a specialist, as in, he's not LE he doesn't solve crimes.

 

[Force Ten]

You wouldn't use your SSN if you were a voluntary missing person. That's kind of an established fact. I urge you to do some research on well known cases of people who went off the grid for many years. There are books published about it, I mentioned James Renner's book earlier that highlights one group that does it, etc.

The drug use theory is absurd. Drug users can barely take care of themselves much less stage a disappearance. They're focused on the next fix. A voluntary disappearance takes some planning and I think this one has all the hallmarks. Everything looks normal. Jon orders a pizza, keeps up with his friends, Audrey goes to visit her sister, and then, poof, they're gone.

<modsnip>

In addition to what family and friends say about the couple I think the majority of people believe they are no longer alive because a lot of missing persons cases end up with the person being found deceased and usually, murdered. The longer this goes on the more likely that scenario will come to a realization. There are countless cases where the MP was treated as a runaway only to be found months or even years later murdered in some abandoned house or building.

 

[iscaremyself]

What if they were driving? If whoever was involved had a second vehicle, where would you drive from there? And IscareMyself did make a good point, if you dumped the SUV closer to the Mexican Border there probably would be more cameras, so maybe that spot would have been a complete psych-out.

I just wonder, why there? There is all this expanse of freeway, why stop and drop there?

why there?..low on gas, getting light out sun rising, no traffic, drove already an hour away from the last known location. It's also a good pickup spot for the follow car. I wondered 'why there' too. A follow car would have to pull over, pick up the driver then drive a ways to the next offramp and turn around, unless both cars pulled off at oak valley and one said I'll ditch it at the end of the freeway onramp and walk back. Or they could have been on cellphones "you get off at this exit and wait, I'll park and walk back".. then jump back on the freeway.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

I said they WEREN'T on drugs.

To the rest...I really don't know what to say. <modsnip>

I am working off of interviews, news articles and police reports. What evidence actually known to us, at this time, supports your assertions?

PS Renner is controversial, and not really a specialist, as in, he's not LE he doesn't solve crimes.

I am not mentioning Renner for his credibility, I am specifically mentioning one source he mentions that gives victims of domestic violence a new identity. I have personally vetted this source.

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[Force Ten]

The location could point to something important.

For the sake of argument, let's say the scent tracking is an anomaly and they were never there. Let's say there was another driver, alone. The vehicle is abandoned very close to the onramp. In fact, as someone else pointed out, it's certainly easy walking distance back to the onramp and back down.

What else is very close to this intersection are two huge washes. Don't get me started about bodies in washes.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/B...387d1acb!8m2!3d33.9294606!4d-116.977248?hl=en

The vehicle was in the lower left by the golf course.

It is possible for AM's vehicle to navigate around that area. So possibly the perp (or murderer) buries the bodies in the wash and then drives the vehicle up to the top of the onramp aways and walks back to their own vehicle.