Found Deceased CA - Blaze Bernstein, 19, Lake Forest, 2 Jan 2018 #6 *Arrest*

[LAhiker]

I took him to say they have no evidence their were friends in high school and that seems like it would be easy to determine.

Has any students from their high school spoken to the press about them being friends in high school? If so I havent seen it. In fact the articles I have read about HS students commenting I had already noticed there was no mention of them being friends at all.

IMO

Well, People magazine refers to Woodward as Bernstein's "high school friend," but of course they could be wrong. Other main stream media reports have said that they "knew each other" in high school. I'm sure we'll hear more about this in the future.

http://people.com/crime/california-...n-high-school-friend-named-as-murder-suspect/

"During a press conference Friday evening, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department named Bernstein’s high school friend Samuel Lincoln Woodward, 20, as the suspect in the case."

 

[prue]

It's literally the headline in the OC Register article from Monday:

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...ed-at-least-20-times-in-possible-act-of-rage/

In reflecting on the fact that there were over 20 stab wounds, one wonders how the killer was able to sanitize the crime scene in the darkness of night so thoroughly that three days of searching the park and trained dogs failed to locate any forensic evidence.

How does one get rid of all evidence of a rage killing in the dark in an area surrounded by dirt, plants and trees?

One possible explanation is that the killer did strangle/suffocate to kill and, in an attempt to cover-up a crime of passion, stabbed the remains 20 times after death in the location that the remains were concealed. Since one's blood doesn't flow after death, the blood spatter which typically occurs from 20 stab wounds would not occur in any significant way.

Just my thoughts, I'm likely wrong.

**Graphic Warning** out of respect

I think anyone familiar with hunting would disagree with you that "blood doesn't flow after death" in fact, in hunting deaths there is a developed discipline specifically for tracking blood that is utilized to locate an animal after it has fallen. This science provides far more information than just the location, it provides a synopsis of death that includes where the animal was first hit and where they fell. I am sorry to be graphic but will include a link so you may better understand. Presumably this science is employed by forensic specialists as well.

Other than that you bring up a the single most anomalous thing to me in this case. Just how did everyone, trained personel, trained dogs and the general public miss a body in a shallow grave with open wounds for more than a week before discovery in an area that by all account is well traveled? Particularly with open wounds the post mortem decomposition would have been on going and by 7 days produced noticeable changes in the area including smells and flies. Rain would have hastened this process, so perhaps that is what they meant by rain assisting in the find. When you add to this that the remains were in an area populated by large and small opportunistic feeders aka mountain lions et al, I am left constantly pondering why discovery took 7 full days. It just does not make sense to me.

as always my 2 cents

 

[Coquette]

Will the arraignment be made public?

Is it likely that SW parents will post 7 or 8% of the 2million bail set?

In the state of CA you have to post a 10% bond.

 

[Elley Mae]

It would be the correct answer. Imo, that would be so easy to verify and the DA would already know by now if they had been friends or not.

That is why I feel we are not getting the full picture here. Has anyone publicly said to the press that Blaze and SW were friends in HS? They just don't look like the type that would be friends with each other. but that's JMO. So I am inclined to believe whatever happened started recently after both of their high school days and had nothing to do with them being friends in high school or not being friends.

IMO

Agree, i don’t “see” a friendship either, oh I’m sure they were aware of each other. I knew most ppl that i went to school with but i was not friends with them.

 

[stlrfninca]

It would be the correct answer. Imo, that would be so easy to verify and the DA would already know by now if they had been friends or not.

That is why I feel we are not getting the full picture here. Has anyone publicly said to the press that Blaze and SW were friends in HS? They just don't look like the type that would be friends with each other. but that's JMO. So I am inclined to believe whatever happened started recently after both of their high school days and had nothing to do with them being friends in high school or not being friends.

IMO

We are most certainly NOT getting the full picture publicly from the DA.

The DA mentioned no fewer than 10 times during the PC that he CANNOT give us the full picture because it is an ongoing investigation.

Many were hoping for answers to a lot of questions today and they simply aren't there yet.

DA indicated we (the public) will likely not bet getting many more specific details or answers until the preliminary hearing.

I wouldn't read anything into BB and SW relationship based upon what was heard in today's PC.

JMO

 

[gitana1]

In 2016, two people I cared about very much were murdered because they were gay, in addition to 47 others. It was the most DEMEANING thing to our community for the media --- with no evidence whatsoever -- to imply that the murderer was gay himself... yet, that's what everyone here is doing. You should be ashamed.

Omar Mateen was not gay. He committed a hate crime against gay people which was wrongly portrayed. Bernstein's parents believe this was a hate crime against their son. Is that outside the realm of possibility or is this just another case of gay-on-gay killing???

Couldn't it be both? My suspicion is this was a hate crime but because SW is self-loathing and has extreme views that created psychological anguish within him.

That would not mean that he committed murder because he is gay but because he hates gay people and secretly has leanings he cannot accept within himself.

That's my sense.

In fact, I do think many homophobes are hateful because they have certain feelings they can't reconcile. That's both a societal issue and a psychological one. But either way, anyone who harms another like this is evil.

 

[SleuthDr]

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...er-charge-with-enhancement-for-using-a-knife/

OK:
1) DA confirms stabbed multiple times.
2) SW visited the scene days after the crime.

As for 2), I assume that's the burial site. No word on whether site of the murder and the burial site or park are one and the same.

 

[Cora]

Also the mention of the perps body weight in regards to BBs, indicates to me that he had an advantage of strength over him. BB was no match IOW. There is something about the way one reporter stated wounds to the face neck and chest: that is a forward facing stabbing, and I'm once again taking note of this.

Hey everyone, I wanted to add, forgive my lack of attention, I'm not fully on the ball. I was diagnosed w heart failure and am very ill. So if I miss posts or details, forgive me. xoxo

You did an amazing job. Thank you Cherry.


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[Gooddeeds]

In the state of CA you have to post a 10% bond.

Well that won’t be difficult to meet if the facts are his parents are wealthy?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Whoa. Are some really trying to suggest that it's normal, typical behavior for someone to "want to call someone a "*advertiser censored****" and that that is not indicative of someone with hateful, deplorable thoughts? That these types of thoughts are normal and ok as long as they are not said out loud? Is it really ok to have a compulsion to call POC "n******" and not have it be considered hateful? I'm disturbed at the thinly veiled attempts to excuse obvious hateful ideology. Pssst....these thoughts aren't "normal" or indicative of well adjusted, non-hateful people. I can't even believe there is debate about this, frankly.

And SW could have once again lied.

So he was big and bad enough to murder and stab Blaze over 20 times but he supposedly suppressed the offensive word he wanted to call him? Nope,I don't believe that for one second.

I imagine he called him many horrible disparaging names as he was stabbing him to death.

IMO

 

[LAhiker]

Also the mention of the perps body weight in regards to BBs, indicates to me that he had an advantage of strength over him. BB was no match IOW. There is something about the way one reporter stated wounds to the face neck and chest: that is a forward facing stabbing, and I'm once again taking note of this.

Hey everyone, I wanted to add, forgive my lack of attention, I'm not fully on the ball. I was diagnosed w heart failure and am very ill. So if I miss posts or details, forgive me. xoxo

Hi Cherry, I'm sorry to hear of your diagnosis and hope that you can get good treatment to manage and hopefully improve your heart failure.

 

[DizzyB]

**Graphic Warning** out of respect

Other than that you bring up a the single most anomalous thing to me in this case. Just how did everyone, trained personnel, trained dogs and the general public miss a body in a shallow grave with open wounds for more than a week before discovery in an area that by all account is well traveled? Particularly with open wounds the post mortem decomposition would have been on going and by 7 days produced noticeable changes in the area including smells and flies. Rain would have hastened this process, so perhaps that is what they meant by rain assisting in the find. When you add to this that the remains were in an area populated by large and small opportunistic feeders aka mountain lions et al, I am left constantly pondering why discovery took 7 full days. It just does not make sense to me.

as always my 2 cents

And with all that, when Blaze is finally found, you release the crime scene and allow the public back into the park lickety-split.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Whoa. Are some really trying to suggest that it's normal, typical behavior for someone to "want to call someone a "*advertiser censored****" and that that is not indicative of someone with hateful, deplorable thoughts? That these types of thoughts are normal and ok as long as they are not said out loud? Is it really ok to have a compulsion to call POC "n******" and not have it be considered hateful? I'm disturbed at the thinly veiled attempts to excuse obvious hateful ideology. Pssst....these thoughts aren't "normal" or indicative of well adjusted, non-hateful people. I can't even believe there is debate about this, frankly.

Not normal but for a guy who was kissed by a known gay man against his will and said to be gay by the same man--Could be normal. Context. I mean is that perfectly ok in the gay community...but do not call them names? Really

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Couldn't it be both? My suspicion is this was a hate crime but because SW is self-loathing and has extreme views that created psychological anguish within him.

That would not mean that he committed murder because he is gay but because he hates gay people and secretly has leanings he cannot accept within himself.

That's my sense.

In fact, I do think many homophobes are hateful because they have certain feelings they can't reconcile. That's both a societal issue and a psychological one. But either way, anyone who harms another like this is evil.

Unfortunately in our society there are those who hate gays whether they have gay tendencies themselves or they don't have any at all.

You are right though, no matter what, anyone who can do this is evil.

 

[gitana1]

Also the mention of the perps body weight in regards to BBs, indicates to me that he had an advantage of strength over him. BB was no match IOW. There is something about the way one reporter stated wounds to the face neck and chest: that is a forward facing stabbing, and I'm once again taking note of this.

Hey everyone, I wanted to add, forgive my lack of attention, I'm not fully on the ball. I was diagnosed w heart failure and am very ill. So if I miss posts or details, forgive me. xoxo

Oh no!!!! That's terrible to hear. Please take care of yourself!!!!!

 

[stlrfninca]

RSBM...

As for 2), I assume that's the burial site. No word on whether site of the murder and the burial site or park are one and the same.

I inferred the same thing - when DA said 'scene' he meant Borrego Park where the body was found.

He was noncomittal on whether the murder occurred in the park or not, and possibly implied that it occurred in the car based on the discussion of surveillance teams noting SW cleaning the vehicle.

I'm still of the opinion that all of the violence occurred in the park. With 20 stab wounds there would have been A LOT of blood. He would have had to drag the body to that remote area where it was buried. Even if he had help, I think there would have been much more evidence of the park of this process, and the body would not have gone unfound for so many days

Granted perhaps all of the stab wounds could have been post mortem, but I find that less likely. I think Occam's Razor applies here.

JMO

 

[iscaremyself]

Well that won’t be difficult to meet if the facts are his parents are wealthy?

the 10% is cash the remainder has to be secured with property, stocks, houses, jewels ect

 

[gitana1]

Unfortunately in our society there are those who hate gays whether they have gay tendencies themselves or they don't have any at all.

You are right though, no matter what, anyone who can do this is evil.

True. I'm going off internet chatter for my suspicion. But of course none of that has been proven and as we all know, a lot of stuff on the internet turns out to be nonsense, so we shall wait and see I guess!

 

[prue]

It's literally the headline in the OC Register article from Monday:

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...ed-at-least-20-times-in-possible-act-of-rage/

As Reddit is an anonymous user platform, it is important to note that just because someone claims they were a friend/ classmate of the victim or the accused doesn't mean they actually were or even met either of them. Anyone can easily read through published reports and troll social media to gain knowledge to use to convince people on anonymous sites like Reddit that they have special insider knowledge as there's no verification required for them to validate their claims. When a case attains lots of news coverage, it brings out those people to those sites.

Just as social media posts, pictures etcetera can be nothing more than trolling for a reaction and not necessarily reflect the beliefs of the individual who posted them. Trolls post for a reaction as sport. Definitely a cautionary tale to consider in anyone's own posting.

 

[DizzyB]

Anyone know how far the nearest parking lot is from where Blaze may have been found? I realize we don't know the exact site, but given your best guesses....