CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

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I apologize for not acknowledging all of the personal stories people are sharing-I get so wound up by the ideas, I fail to mention how much they touch me.

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Just a shout out...

believe, my personal story is what keeps me following this thread. I think many of us can relate to our own families and see how absurd the 'tale(s)' are surrounding Bob's disappearance. I have only one living GF and I would fight for justice for him - I know my siblings and cousins would as well. All of us have called or visited the nursing home if we receive a less-than-stellar report from Grandpa regarding his treatment there. (My Grandfather is well taken care of - BUT he has VERY high expectations - which we are fully aware of - not so much the NH.)

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believe, my personal story is what keeps me following this thread. I think many of us can relate to our own families and see how absurd the 'tale(s)' are surrounding Bob's disappearance. I have only one living GF and I would fight for justice for him - I know my siblings and cousins would as well. All of us have called or visited the nursing home if we receive a less-than-stellar report from Grandpa regarding his treatment there. (My Grandfather is well taken care of - BUT he has VERY high expectations - which we are fully aware of - not so much the NH.)

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When I worked in a nursing home during college, the thing that struck me was that there were some families who had every item of value listed, but never visited their family member. And their were others who were so clued in, when I sat with a person over a cup of tea, to hear their stories, I'd get a thank you letter from son/daughter after.

Just one tale, because they are worth re-telling: one lady I cared for, grew up during WW1. She told me how her mother pulled her out on the street in London when she was a toddler, to watch the Zeppelin floating by - they had no idea it would drop bombs, until it dropped one nearby. She was 99 and still recalled the terror she felt when the nice balloon dropped death and destruction.

Bob's greatgrandchildren have been deprived of hearing his stories of course. That's a great loss for the family legacy, something you can't buy with money.
 
Thanks tlcox for posting those. Am going to read them now but just wanted to add that I asked Mr Zwiebel to help me out making sense of the loans to AH. Mr Z is not an accountant or attorney or anything like that, but he does do amazing things with computers that make millions of dollars appear and disappear all over the place (not into our account, sadly, or I'd buy my new roof).

He ended up snatching my computer and reading through AH's deposition. He's disgusted and dumbfounded. He says there's no figure he can possibly come up with for exactly what was loaned/paid back. He says, in his opinion, AH was just playing games there.
If Mr Zwiebel can't make sense of it, it doesn't make sense, as far as I'm concerned.

So I'm just going to take a wild guess - I think AH probably gained a million dollars, maybe more, from Bob over the years. Well worth changing his name for.

But what still bugs me - maybe it's okay in court to be vague about one/two hundred thousand dollars you can't recall you were gifted. But was that kind of answer really acceptable to the IRS on a tax return?

Hey, it worked for Ronald Reagan!

Of course, that may not have been an act.

And Reagan was only facing Congress, not the IRS.

I am convinced that Cubby has the right idea: a forensic accounting of Bob's finances going back at least 10 years. The only thing I would change is say it should go back to at least 1997, so as to get a clear idea of what Bob was doing with his money before all the house and debt shuffle went on with AH.

I have a question that I hope Gitana can answer. Since the Placentia Police Department has not initiated such an investigation despite Bob's disappearance, is there any other party with standing who could legally initiate such a procedure?
 
The IRS? If they receive a tip that something untoward has taken place? I hear they have great investigative powers........
 
Hey, it worked for Ronald Reagan!

Of course, that may not have been an act.

And Reagan was only facing Congress, not the IRS.

I am convinced that Cubby has the right idea: a forensic accounting of Bob's finances going back at least 10 years. The only thing I would change is say it should go back to at least 1997, so as to get a clear idea of what Bob was doing with his money before all the house and debt shuffle went on with AH.

I have a question that I hope Gitana can answer. Since the Placentia Police Department has not initiated such an investigation despite Bob's disappearance, is there any other party with standing who could legally initiate such a procedure?


I picked 5-10 years back simply as a rounded out number. I definately agree 1997 is a more suitable date for the same reasons you mention, Grainne'.
 
The IRS? If they receive a tip that something untoward has taken place? I hear they have great investigative powers........

The IRS is actually quite scary. They have their own court system that is quite opaque.

Since money seems to be a motivator in this case, it's worth noting that the IRS pays a reward of up to 30% of the additional tax and penalties to informants who turn in tax cheats.

Here's an article about one such incident:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/business/whistle-blower-awarded-104-million-by-irs.html
 
The IRS is actually quite scary. They have their own court system that is quite opaque.

Since money seems to be a motivator in this case, it's worth noting that the IRS pays a reward of up to 30% of the additional tax and penalties to informants who turn in tax cheats.

Here's an article about one such incident:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/business/whistle-blower-awarded-104-million-by-irs.html


Interesting. Bob's CA family seems to love opaque! This should fit them well and no family, or relative of family, exclusion with the 30% reward mentioned above!
 
Don't want to derail from the IRS conversation but wanted to pass along some good news (imo anyway!) Had the opportunity to work with several fema handlers this week, and I think I found a most excellent forensic K9 to check out some of our areas of interest in Mr. Harrod's case. Also trained in taphonomic remains in the event that is the case at this point. I hope it works out, because I would love love love to see the results.

It also got me to wondering why no one- in a family of dog lovers- thought to call out a K9 to trail Mr. Harrod immediately? I mean, clearly he left on foot. At least out the door. Right? Or...?
 
Don't want to derail from the IRS conversation but wanted to pass along some good news (imo anyway!) Had the opportunity to work with several fema handlers this week, and I think I found a most excellent forensic K9 to check out some of our areas of interest in Mr. Harrod's case. Also trained in taphonomic remains in the event that is the case at this point. I hope it works out, because I would love love love to see the results.

It also got me to wondering why no one- in a family of dog lovers- thought to call out a K9 to trail Mr. Harrod immediately? I mean, clearly he left on foot. At least out the door. Right? Or...?

Oriah, that is excellent news. Excellent. I am sitting here just beaming with happiness. As my (dearly loved) old boss would say "it's another star for your crown in heaven."

And yes, it does seem quite odd that none of Bob's descendants thought to ask for a K9. Of course, if I recall correctly, JuM and JeM are interested in Pugs, not exactly a breed noted for its tracking ability. It's kinda difficult for a dog that has difficulties breathing to actually do any scentwork. But still, most dog lovers tend to track dogs in the news and tracking dogs often make the news.

Yes, I'd think the natural assumption would be that Bob left on foot since his car was there. I assume his car was present when JeM arrived to do whatever repairs and it was still present when the CL arrived (if it wasn't present, I think LE would have taken notice much sooner), so that leaves Bob on foot. Even if the assumption was that Bob left in someone else's vehicle, Bob surely walked to the driveway and around his own car or out to the street.

I know my first assumption would certainly not be that Bob did not leave on his own two feet. If I thought that, I'd be screaming at the police to find my father(in-law) and I wouldn't bother calling his wife who was about 2000 miles away in the middle of the night to do so.

And if I thought Bob had not left voluntarily on his own two feet, there is no way I would let my spouse go and spend any time alone in the house. Nor would I spend any time alone in the house, knowing that Bob's house keys had disappeared with him.

It's like those gothic romances where the heroine gets a note telling her to go somewhere alone and she just does it with no apparent sense of suspicion or manifesting any instincts for self preservation. I got so fed up with those heroines that I would actually root for the bad guys, on the grounds that chlorinating the human gene pool by removing the heroine's genes could only be a good thing.

Unfortunately, those heroines did seem to have a knack for attracting spectacularly gifted men.

And perhaps that is it. JeM must realise his wife is so spectacularly gifted that she could not possibly have been in any danger alone in that house.
 
Oriah, this is fantastic news! I am doing a little jig of happiness.
Has the recent bad weather had any effect in OC, does anybody know? I was just thinking that maybe ground might be disturbed, things uncovered...........
 
Oriah, this is fantastic news! I am doing a little jig of happiness.
Has the recent bad weather had any effect in OC, does anybody know? I was just thinking that maybe ground might be disturbed, things uncovered...........

zweibel, are you referring to hurricane Sandy on the east coast? Or the storm system that came through the pacific nw at the same time? I am unfamiliar with any of the recent storm systems affecting OC specifically.
 
zweibel, are you referring to hurricane Sandy on the east coast? Or the storm system that came through the pacific nw at the same time? I am unfamiliar with any of the recent storm systems affecting OC specifically.

The storm system; I wasn't sure where it went.
 
Taphonomy: from Greek taphos; 'study of the grave' : 'The study of the conditions and processes by which organisms become fossilized'.

posted for those like me who don't know Greek from their elbow.
 
It stayed pretty much NW I believe. At least, NOAA and Meso tell me that! Perhaps a local could weigh in?
 
BBM
Don't want to derail from the IRS conversation but wanted to pass along some good news (imo anyway!) Had the opportunity to work with several fema handlers this week, and I think I found a most excellent forensic K9 to check out some of our areas of interest in Mr. Harrod's case. Also trained in taphonomic remains in the event that is the case at this point. I hope it works out, because I would love love love to see the results.

It also got me to wondering why no one- in a family of dog lovers- thought to call out a K9 to trail Mr. Harrod immediately? I mean, clearly he left on foot. At least out the door. Right? Or...?

Because the family were far too busy making sure LE knew every possible reason Bob might have left of his own accord?
 
I am so heartened to know that there is a resource available for Mrs Harrod-getting a canine in is an excellent idea.

:bow: Oriah. Now I guess the next step is to get everything coordinated. :)
 
I just had an odd thought, a very odd thought.

Anyone want to speculate on the chances that the co-conservators will try to prevent any search of Bob's house by a trained K9?

I mean, it's one thing to say that you'll do anything to try to bring your father home but it's quite another thing to be faced with a professional ready to attempt the feat.
 
I just had an odd thought, a very odd thought.

Anyone want to speculate on the chances that the co-conservators will try to prevent any search of Bob's house by a trained K9?

I mean, it's one thing to say that you'll do anything to try to bring your father home but it's quite another thing to be faced with a professional ready to attempt the feat.

Well, I think it would be tough for them for a few reasons-we have an ongoing police investigation which surely they would not want to obstruct, Mrs Harrod has control of her residence in terms of who she invites in and who she refuses and it would forever seal public opinion in regards to their motivation.

Better for them to remain neutral and hopeful that there is a good outcome. :)
 
I guess, just to clarify, I dont think there will be any advance notice on a dog coming to the house either. There wasnt for OC Sheriff's CSI. At least, there wasnt any advance notice that we know of.
 
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