CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #18

[zwiebel]

I had no idea wisdom teeth could continue to erupt at that age. How surprising! One of the creepiest images of teeth I've ever seen is a medical one, of teeth growing in a tumor.....

I can see from pics that Bob's upper front teeth appear in quite good condition, but I am in agreement it would be highly unusual for him not to have had any restorations at all.

 

[zwiebel]

I think I recall Fontelle saying in Disappeared that Bob 'had all his own teeth'. The transcript's been left behind in the thread though. I'll look it up.

 

[zwiebel]

The top photo is of younger Bob's teeth. The bottom is the older Bob's and so more recent. I think I see quite a few signs of work - haven't gaps been closed and a tooth straightened up?

 

[Cubby]

Specialists can determine 'dental age'. Bob could be ruled out either with dentals or dental age once dental age is determined on the UID.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not saying it's happened in Bob's case, but if a person had a lot of teeth removed and lots of restoration work, would it still be possible to ascertain dental age?

Could mistakes be made if say, they ate a diet high in grains and cereals, so had premature wear on their teeth?

That reminds me, I once saw the most amazing photo of dental calculus on a man from the middle ages. No idea if I can ever find it again though. I think it may have been in one of my books, long lost after all the house moves.

 

[zwiebel]

There it is, Queen's University, Belfast, Ireland. Ancient dental calculus and periapical lesion. Ouch.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/Ballyhanna/HumanOsteologyandPalaeopathology/

 

[FBEye]

Hello All!
I finally made it through every single post in all 18 threads for Bob!
I took detailed notes along the way and I definitely have some questions I'd like to get your feedback on.

Question#1
from the "Memorabilia List" - in the email from JuM to PB and RB dated April 8, 2010:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5
on page 36 of 40-

#35 lists Antique Wicker Rocker (out in the playhouse)
This "playhouse" has not been mentioned before.....or again.
You can't see the structure in the back yard with Google Maps.
Was the "playhouse" accessed by anyone on July 27, 2009
or searched the night of the welfare check?
Food for thought...

 

[sreshowtime]

hey, good 'eye' FBeye...I never caught that playhouse reference...maybe one of the longtimers will know if that was caught/mentioned...was there nothing else in this playhouse thing, that they wanted?? Is it in the back yard or what??
yeah... WHAT playhouse???

ohh, also, something else caught my eye reviewing the greedy list...#6- Our Mother's Jewelry or pawn slips bbm
Pawn slips??? really?? WHY would there be pawn slips, and why would daughters even know??? Was mama slipping items to be pawned and letting one/some have the money?? Have y'all discussed that, that is just weird

 

[FBEye]

Playhouses are in the back yards, it was probably the great grandkids when they were little. Afterwards, it may have been used for seasonal storage, more like a garden shed for yard tools, equipment, shovels, ladder, wheelbarrow, etc.
I was thinking it might have been used for a holding area/staging point- away from the house & garage- until dark..... (but before the welfare check search at 9:30)

These playhouses are approx. 8' x 9' or even larger- Home Depot sells them: http://www.homedepot.com/p/HomePlac...16-ft-Studio-Garden-Building-LS1016/100600001
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Handy-Ho...ft-Hampton-Chalet-Playhouse-19425-2/100588847

 

[sreshowtime]

yeah, a yard shed/playhouse....I didn't think there was any out building...you can see the one in the right hand neighbors yard, but can't really tell if there is one @ 522
Why would someone call wherever that rocker was, the playhouse? AND know right where it was, if out of the main house??
(i dunno if the great grands even visited much less played there)

 

[zwiebel]

Well spotted FBEye. I totally missed that reference to the playhouse. I can't remember it ever being mentioned by anyone before.

I don't think it's likely Bob would have brought his own kid's decades old playhouse with him when he moved from Monrovia - but whether it came from there, was brought specially for his grandkids or was something left behind by JuM and JeM when they moved from the street - I'm sure son in law would have built it.

The garage was not searched during the welfare check because it was too cluttered, and there is no mention of a playhouse in that report I think. I'd hope it was looked at during the subsequent search though.

JuM seemed to know the location of SO much in Bob's house; missing papers during the family meeting, safe keys etc, and now a rocker out in a playhouse can be added to the list. I wish she was leading the search for Bob. She seems so good at finding things.

 

[zwiebel]

I think this must be it. It's adult sized and really cute. It's under a tree so it wouldn't be spottable on google I think.

 

[sreshowtime]

"She seems so good at finding things. " Oh Zwie that was funny....in a really sad sad way.

Good find on the playhouse picture! And the door is open, so LE went in there.... So there was nothing else on the greedy list notated as being in the playhouse huh. I wonder what was in the playhouse the day/evening Mr. H disappeared??? Could something have been removed more under the cover of darkness?
I have never understood why HRD dogs weren't used at the residence & grounds, in those early days....now if they were, I have never heard tell of it.

 

[FBEye]

I think this must be it. It's adult sized and really cute. It's under a tree so it wouldn't be spottable on google I think.

Thank you very much, Zwiebel, for the actual police photo of the back of the house. So the playhouse would be on the east side of the back yard- completely obstructed from above by the trees and from both side yards by the firewall fences.
You can also see the French doors leading out onto the patio and a definite keyed doorknob and deadbolt setup. Very interesting...
In the front yard, I also noticed two blue octagon shaped ADT home security system signs in the background of several of the early news videos, google images, and home photos; one to the left of the front door and one to the right of the big garage door next to the gate access. Did Bob have an active subscription to ADT? I hope LE checked the system history and noted when it was set and disarmed from Sunday July 26th through Wednesday July 29th.

 

[Cubby]

I'm not saying it's happened in Bob's case, but if a person had a lot of teeth removed and lots of restoration work, would it still be possible to ascertain dental age?

Could mistakes be made if say, they ate a diet high in grains and cereals, so had premature wear on their teeth?

That reminds me, I once saw the most amazing photo of dental calculus on a man from the middle ages. No idea if I can ever find it again though. I think it may have been in one of my books, long lost after all the house moves.

A dental age is an estimate. Of course poor nutrition and poor dental care could cause differences, but in general I think specialists could differentiate teeth of an 80 yr old with those of a 40 or 50 year old.

In this case, they have not said the teeth belong to an elderly male, just a male. We'll have to wait and see.

hth

 

[Cubby]

I'd love to know the answers to those questions FBEYE presented about the ADT signs.

Do we know if the police checked the 'playhouse' the evening Bob went missing? It would have been dark out that late in the evening and it looks like the pictures posted above were taken during daylight hours.

I wonder if Bob could have been hidden in there overnight Monday and removed from the premises Tuesday?

Thank you for taking the time to read all the posts FBEYE. That took a lot of time and I appreciate your doing so for Bob's case. :blowkiss:

 

[zwiebel]

Whatever the housekeeper's duties were, I doubt they included the playhouse. So Bob could actually have been laying in there the entire time housekeeper and Son-in-law were in the house I suppose?

It is such a shame son in law wasn't as concerned as housekeeper to find Bob missing - every nook and cranny in the house would have been searched for Bob, if he had been.

 

[FBEye]

SBBM

Whatever the housekeeper's duties were, I doubt they included the playhouse. So Bob could actually have been laying in there the entire time housekeeper and Son-in-law were in the house I suppose?
.............

Exactly, Zwiebel... that's my theory and what I'm thinking.
And then the wacked out inconsistencies in the timeline might make more sense.
I remember electrical work for outside light fixtures being mentioned awhile back in the Disappeared transcript:
"Det. Loomis: Bob had basically a honey do list for Jeff of things that he wanted fixed around the house, both inside and outside. Electrical work, plumbing work- to get the house ready for Fontelle."
The punchlist that never physically materialized...
Maybe the existing outdoor back patio lights were motion activated and were removed to facilitate 'the transfer' without detection after dark. Whatever was purchased on that 3pm Home Depot trip could be very telling. This could also explain the long delay in notifying Fontelle and requesting the welfare check after the coast was clear.

 

[zwiebel]

There is an outside light above the lounge doors in the photo I linked above, and I believe there are other lights visible in different photos.

I seem to recall a picture of a broken outside light laying around somewhere too. I may be imagining that though. I'll have to have a search.

 

[zwiebel]

There seemed to be an old, wrought iron light on the back patio I think, with wires that looked a little dangly to me, and a bulb missing. I think it may once have been to light the way more fully to that playhouse - it looks about the same time and it's off to the side.

I somehow imagine that getting outside lighting fixed may have been something Bob just let slip, so I doubt it means anything. It seems like that might have been one of the things he'd have wanted fixed for Fontelle though, perhaps for when her grandchildren came to visit?

From the street, the side of that playhouse does seem to be visible on the left side of the house, facing the street. It looks like there may be a little path going to it from the front porch, so someone could get into without having to go through the house and out the lounge doors.