CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 2

[Cubby]

This could be far reaching, but I'm tossing it onto the table for discussion. (Forgive me if this has been discussed in thread one I'm still catching up - and new eyes might be helpful. )

IF Bob wanted to leave on his own accord
-Could he have had access to funds the family was unaware of? Either the alleged (hearsay) unaccounted for 50 grand. Or had a 'stash fund' that no one including Georgia knew about? Was there ever things Bob had tried to hide from the family that no one knew about until later - lets' presume while Georgia was alive.....

-Could the long term maid become a trusted friend and confidant and helped him 'run away' and have understood his reasons and kept it quiet, even if she knew he was alive and well and did not want to be found?

I want to think, perhaps Bobs daughters kind of 'bashed' him online because they really did expect him to return and the battle between Fontelle and Bobs daughters escalated when he did not, LE could not find him, and they both became suspicious of each other?

I'm really trying to look at this with fresh newer eyes.

 

[Cubby]

Before Georgia became ill and when Bob and Georgia were "empty nesters"
what types of activities and hobbies did they enjoy together and perhaps individually. Where they the type of couple who did a lot of socializing together? The kind of couple did their fair share of socializing together and each enjoyed their own hobbies and interests or were they more home bodies for decades?

Just trying to get various idea's and see if any light bulb moments occur.

 

[Cubby]

Sorry for the prolific posting. Do we know what repairs SIL did that day and approximately how long they should have taken?

 

[Cubby]

From thread 1

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009

What is the source that Bob took his car keys but left his house key?

Why wouldn't Bob have his car and house key(s) on the same key ring?


Did SIL ask anyone to help him with any work that needed to be done that day? Was there any two man jobs being done?

 

[Cubby]

From thread 1

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009



Officials have said that at 10 a.m. July 27 there was a phone call to Bob Harrod, which is the last time anyone other than Jeff Michaels verified he was at the house. Police are not releasing the content of those phone records.

(links to media articles at linked post above)

 

[Cubby]

copied from thread 1

Facts are few and far between:

1. Robert Harrod was home on Monday.
2. He was on the phone.
3. His sil did repairs around the house.
4. His sil had receipts for some errands done for Robert.
5. The house cleaner was there in the afternoon.

What we need:
1. LE, times of phone calls on Monday.
2. LE evidence of traces of breakfast or lunch in trash.
3. LE evidence that maybe Robert changed his clothes to get
ready to go out.
4. LE evidence of any security cameras nearby showing any car
of any friend of Robert's that day.

To me, we can speculate and discuss and
review and
take up sides
and
let ourselves be swayed
by the hurt felt by the daughters
and by Fontelle,
but it won't help
in finding Robert Harrod.

IMO:

We need information that only LE has.

BBM. I agree and have the same questions.

 

[Montjoy]

I see that there is some activity on Robert Harrod's Facebook page.Great!!!!!

Of what is open to the public, I noticed that there was a status change from "married" to "it's complicated". There are no dates listed, and it's not clear who is administering that page. But seeing as there is no point at which Bob is listed as widowed or single before the "it's complicated", I'm wondering why his current marriage isn't listed, and if someone other than Bob made that change (in reference to his current marriage), why?

 

[cloudajo]

Of what is open to the public, I noticed that there was a status change from "married" to "it's complicated". There are no dates listed, and it's not clear who is administering that page. But seeing as there is no point at which Bob is listed as widowed or single before the "it's complicated", I'm wondering why his current marriage isn't listed, and if someone other than Bob made that change (in reference to his current marriage), why?

Dreamweaver posted: "I set them up last Aug., with direction and help from Robert Harrod's daughters. I then turned both pages over to family."

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My guess is the daughters changed the status. I find it very disrespectful, IMO.

 

[cloudajo]

Sorry for the prolific posting. Do we know what repairs SIL did that day and approximately how long they should have taken?

I don't know what repairs or what was purchased at Home Depot.

On Aug 2, 2009, daughter R posted that: Bob was very excited about and looking forward to Fontelle’s return. He had been working to get the house ready and extra special before her arrival. He arranged to have carpet shampooed, patio cleaned, housekeeper in, and a few repairs for her homecoming. For Monday, Bob had scheduled the housekeeper to get the cleaning done and a family member to help him with some repairs. Bob said he had no plans to go anywhere that day. He was left home alone for a short period during a trip to the store for some parts, just before the housekeeper was due. She got no answer at the door, when she arrived.

 

[Angelo]

From thread 1

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009



Officials have said that at 10 a.m. July 27 there was a phone call to Bob Harrod, which is the last time anyone other than Jeff Michaels verified he was at the house. Police are not releasing the content of those phone records.

(links to media articles at linked post above)

The 10:00 am call may have been when Mr. Harrod told the housekeeper to come.

 

[cloudajo]

BBM. Ok now I am really confused. According to the above information Bobs children would have not gained anything with this bypass trust their mother left until after their father passed away. So what was the urgency? If I am reading this correctly nothing was 'rightfully the daughters' until BOTH parents were deceased at which time the assets would belong to whom the first parent- their mother assigned to or left to them.


Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

Thank you for pointing this out. And, if he is declared dead in 4 years from now (CA law says a missing person can be presumed dead in 5 years), they would receive the assets in both trusts.

 

[Angelo]

Before Georgia became ill and when Bob and Georgia were "empty nesters"
what types of activities and hobbies did they enjoy together and perhaps individually. Where they the type of couple who did a lot of socializing together? The kind of couple did their fair share of socializing together and each enjoyed their own hobbies and interests or were they more home bodies for decades?

Just trying to get various idea's and see if any light bulb moments occur.

"In addition, Robert's family tells AMW he is a member of a Masonic Lodge, enjoys fishing, Lake Tahoe and playing slots in Laughlin, Nev. and at local Indian casinos."

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544


Mr. Harrod's daughters have posted that their mother was more outgoing than their father.

 

[Angelo]

I don't know what repairs or what was purchased at Home Depot.

On Aug 2, 2009, daughter R posted that: Bob was very excited about and looking forward to Fontelle’s return. He had been working to get the house ready and extra special before her arrival. He arranged to have carpet shampooed, patio cleaned, housekeeper in, and a few repairs for her homecoming. For Monday, Bob had scheduled the housekeeper to get the cleaning done and a family member to help him with some repairs. Bob said he had no plans to go anywhere that day. He was left home alone for a short period during a trip to the store for some parts, just before the housekeeper was due. She got no answer at the door, when she arrived.

BBM

Do we know if the carpets were shampooed? If so, when?

 

[Fairy1]

This could be far reaching, but I'm tossing it onto the table for discussion. (Forgive me if this has been discussed in thread one I'm still catching up - and new eyes might be helpful. )

IF Bob wanted to leave on his own accord
-Could he have had access to funds the family was unaware of? Either the alleged (hearsay) unaccounted for 50 grand. Or had a 'stash fund' that no one including Georgia knew about? Was there ever things Bob had tried to hide from the family that no one knew about until later - lets' presume while Georgia was alive.....

-Could the long term maid become a trusted friend and confidant and helped him 'run away' and have understood his reasons and kept it quiet, even if she knew he was alive and well and did not want to be found?

I want to think, perhaps Bobs daughters kind of 'bashed' him online because they really did expect him to return and the battle between Fontelle and Bobs daughters escalated when he did not, LE could not find him, and they both became suspicious of each other?

I'm really trying to look at this with fresh newer eyes.

I never really believed he walked away - and I don't know if the daughters ever really did either. But I did suggest they have a forensic accountant look at his finances. We don't know if that ever happened.

 

[Angelo]

Dreamweaver posted: "I set them up last Aug., with direction and help from Robert Harrod's daughters. I then turned both pages over to family."

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009


My guess is the daughters changed the status. I find it very disrespectful, IMO.

Very disrespectful.

 

[Fairy1]

Thank you for pointing this out. And, if he is declared dead in 4 years from now (CA law says a missing person can be presumed dead in 5 years), they would receive the assets in both trusts.

Now see, this is one of the reasons I don't believe the family is responsible. Having Bob go missing is not going to get them anything anytime soon. If they were so anxious to get his $$$, they would have wanted him found ASAP. And the lack of searching isn't going to find him. Doesn't it seem they would be pulling out all the stops to find his remains if they knew he was deceased? And they would know where to look.

 

[JulieR]

Now see, this is one of the reasons I don't believe the family is responsible. Having Bob go missing is not going to get them anything anytime soon. If they were so anxious to get his $$$, they would have wanted him found ASAP. And the lack of searching isn't going to find him. Doesn't it seem they would be pulling out all the stops to find his remains if they knew he was deceased? And they would know where to look.

Well that's one way to look at it but having him go missing before the new wife can step in and make her claim to the money would at least make sure all the money stays in the family. If the family was involved they would'nt be out looking for him, it would be a waste of time since they would know where he was and its not like they would lead LE to the body, that would make them look guilty. I don't think they cared about getting the money now, they cared that the money didn't go to the new wife. Kind of sounds to me like that was what the first wife was worried about also that's why the trust was set up the way it was......just putting it out there.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Now see, this is one of the reasons I don't believe the family is responsible. Having Bob go missing is not going to get them anything anytime soon. If they were so anxious to get his $$$, they would have wanted him found ASAP. And the lack of searching isn't going to find him. Doesn't it seem they would be pulling out all the stops to find his remains if they knew he was deceased? And they would know where to look.

The PPD don't believe the family is responsible. They have ruled them out as suspects. Now..Fontelle was still in MO when Bob went missing but could any of her family have come to CA before her to "pave the way" for their mother to have all her things in order when she arrived? Maybe they arrived to find the hairdresser in Bob's house and an argument started. We have not heard anything about HER family being ruled out as suspects. Also, the PPD seems to think the hairdresser had nothing to do with the disappearance but it was said on here that Bobs SIL could have possibly done something in the heat of passion or maybe even the grandson..Why couldn't the son of the hairdresser have done something? His mother was getting cut off! Therefore he would be getting cut off thru his mother..There's alot of motive here that has not yet been discussed. I don't know why it's so hard to understand...IF Mr Harrod would have just given his daughters what they were asking for on that Sunday afternoon they would have gone on with their life and let their father gone on with his new life. Isn't it obvious that it was someone else that didn't want that to happen??

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Well that's one way to look at it but having him go missing before the new wife can step in and make her claim to the money would at least make sure all the money stays in the family. If the family was involved they would'nt be out looking for him, it would be a waste of time since they would know where he was and its not like they would lead LE to the body, that would make them look guilty. I don't think they cared about getting the money now, they cared that the money didn't go to the new wife. Kind of sounds to me like that was what the first wife was worried about also that's why the trust was set up the way it was......just putting it out there.

Why is the new wife hanging on?? Mr Harrod went missing 6 days after they got married. Would she be entitled to only 6 days of $$ or will she be entitled to all this time that he has been missing. And what about Bob's house. To me it seems like she is a squatter..

 

[Fairy1]

Well that's one way to look at it but having him go missing before the new wife can step in and make her claim to the money would at least make sure all the money stays in the family. If the family was involved they would'nt be out looking for him, it would be a waste of time since they would know where he was and its not like they would lead LE to the body, that would make them look guilty. I don't think they cared about getting the money now, they cared that the money didn't go to the new wife. Kind of sounds to me like that was what the first wife was worried about also that's why the trust was set up the way it was......just putting it out there.

True - but it was obviously already too late to make sure Fontelle wouldn't get anything or she wouldn't be living in that home now.

Wonder if anyone knew that?