Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

[windrower]

Believe me, if I lived within range of this location, I'd be out walking the road myself this weekend. They've got to be RIGHT THERE, within a dozen miles or so of the casino.

I wouldn't hesitate to get down into the vegetation and kick a few snakes along the way either.

I agree, steelman, if they are not abducted, they must be fairly close for the phone ping to have been off the tower it was. Feet on the ground seem essential, but I say that without knowing how any searches are being done.

Your thoughtful and well-considered posts are appreciated.

 

[steelman]

I agree, steelman, if they are not abducted, they must be fairly close for the phone ping to have been off the tower it was. Feet on the ground seem essential, but I say that without knowing how any searches are being done.

Your thoughtful and well-considered posts are appreciated.

I appreciate your compliment, I do. I took a big interest in this case right from the git-go because it was obvious that time was of the essence. If this WAS an accident, there was a very good chance that they could still be okay but were just immobilized due to the damage to the car. I've racked my brain , made up maps, and sat here at 4 in the morning studying terrain maps trying to figure out a logical place they could be. I am probably more familiar with the roads in Valley Center now than the people that live there, and I've never stepped foot in the place.

The biggest problem we've had since day one is the conflicting information in regards to the cell tower ping and their estimated direction of travel. Try as I might, I can't make the pieces of information fit the puzzle.
It's like trying to make 2 + 2 = 5.

This is day 12 since they disappeared. If they had some drinks and a little food in their car, they could have rationed it out and still be waiting to be rescued.

I hope this weekend they pull in every volunteer they can get within a 50 mile radius and start walking those roads in pairs, one on each side, parse it out to where they drop two searchers off every 2 miles and let them walk to where the next searchers started. In areas where there is a clear line of sight or it's relatively flat, there wouldn't be a need to walk those stretches of road, which will save time. If they are slow and methodical about it, I think they'll stumble across them in a thicket of trees, down in a ravine, or in a creek bed that runs under the highway. It still isn't too late, as far as I'm concerned. We have no idea what supplies they had in their vehicle, so let's just assume they had an ice chest full of stuff.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I appreciate your compliment, I do. I took a big interest in this case right from the git-go because it was obvious that time was of the essence. If this WAS an accident, there was a very good chance that they could still be okay but were just immobilized due to the damage to the car. I've racked my brain , made up maps, and sat here at 4 in the morning studying terrain maps trying to figure out a logical place they could be. I am probably more familiar with the roads in Valley Center now than the people that live there.

The biggest problem we've had since day one is the conflicting information in regards to the cell tower ping and their estimated direction of travel. Try as I might, I can't make the pieces of information fit the puzzle.
It's like trying to make 2 + 2 = 5.

This is day 12 since they disappeared. If they had some drinks and a little food in their car, they could have rationed it out and still be waiting to be rescued.

I hope this weekend they pull in every volunteer they can get within a 50 mile radius and start walking those roads in pairs, one on each side, parse it out to where they drop two searchers off every 2 miles and let them walk to where the next searchers started. In areas where there is a clear line of sight or it's relatively flat, there wouldn't be a need to walk those stretches of road, which will save time. If they are slow and methodical about it, I think they'll stumble across them in a thicket of trees, down in a ravine, or in a creek bed that runs under the highway. It still isn't too late, as far as I'm concerned. We have no idea what supplies they had in their vehicle, so let's just assume they had an ice chest full of stuff.

Speaking of which, do we know if LE has contacted the military bases in San Diego/Camp Pendleton to ask for volunteers? No one better and search and rescue than military personnel!

 

[steelman]

Speaking of which, do we know if LE has contacted the military bases in San Diego/Camp Pendleton to ask for volunteers? No one better and search and rescue than military personnel!

Agreed.....and most of them would volunteer to do it just because they are good people.

 

[Ragamuffin]

I haven't commented so far, but after all this time and effort put in by so many, I'm surprised they haven't been found yet. If there was an accident. I guess they could have headed to Vegas, or Barona, or any other casino, and lost time? Yeah, maybe for a day or two.

Right now, I'm wondering if they played, were planning on eating but got an *urgent* cell phone call which made them head out asap, and then poof. They are both diabetic, no food consumed at the casino, appear in poor health on video (Paul, apparently, from what his son says) and then leave?

JMO, IMO, the "parallel investigation" has nothing to do with plate-switching, backseat passengers, or lone hitchhikers.

 

[Tssiemer]

I haven't commented so far, but after all this time and effort put in by so many, I'm surprised they haven't been found yet. If there was an accident. I guess they could have headed to Vegas, or Barona, or any other casino, and lost time? Yeah, maybe for a day or two.

Right now, I'm wondering if they played, were planning on eating but got an *urgent* cell phone call which made them head out asap, and then poof. They are both diabetic, no food consumed at the casino, appear in poor health on video (Paul, apparently, from what his son says) and then leave?

JMO, IMO, the "parallel investigation" has nothing to do with plate-switching, backseat passengers, or lone hitchhikers.

I thought about this. Checking the phone records to see with whom they last spoke I hope has been done already.


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[Forager]

Thanks for adding the theft of the license plate to the map.
Also, I noticed that you typed (on the map) the 25 year old reported the plate missing around 5, which is about 5 hours after Knutson and Bedwell
left the other casino. Dianna and Cecil left around 2pm, and if the plate was reported missing around 5, well, that's about 3 hours after, not 5.
Not trying to be a pain, just wanting it to reflect what is in MSM.

"A 25-year-old victim at Harrah's Resort Southern California around 5 p.m. reported the theft of a vehicle license plate."
http://www.valleycenter.com/Articles-News-c-2015-05-21-91844.113122-Sher

IMOO.

Right you are. I've fixed it. Thanks for letting me know. That's being a real help, not a pain.

 

[Treelights]

Right you are. I've fixed it. Thanks for letting me know. That's being a real help, not a pain.

Cool, Thanks!

 

[steelman]

I haven't commented so far, but after all this time and effort put in by so many, I'm surprised they haven't been found yet. If there was an accident. I guess they could have headed to Vegas, or Barona, or any other casino, and lost time? Yeah, maybe for a day or two.

Right now, I'm wondering if they played, were planning on eating but got an *urgent* cell phone call which made them head out asap, and then poof. They are both diabetic, no food consumed at the casino, appear in poor health on video (Paul, apparently, from what his son says) and then leave?

JMO, IMO, the "parallel investigation" has nothing to do with plate-switching, backseat passengers, or lone hitchhikers.

So what is your theory on what happened to them ?

 

[steelman]

Speaking of which, do we know if LE has contacted the military bases in San Diego/Camp Pendleton to ask for volunteers? No one better and search and rescue than military personnel!

Forget about LE. In hindsight, your idea needs to go through the family TO the local military bases. I'm sure there are a lot of soldiers sitting around this weekend that would help, were they asked.

 

[MerBeach]

This case is so bizarre. I've lived in San Diego for 19 years now and am somewhat familiar with these locations/routes. Mind boggling. Can't believe they have not been located.

 

[FindHG]

This case is so bizarre. I've lived in San Diego for 19 years now and am somewhat familiar with these locations/routes. Mind boggling. Can't believe they have not been located.

The terrain involved, the odds are better that they haven't been spotted yet, where they went off a road, rather than an abduction or ill-intent. It sounds like the search is continuing, and considering the risk to searchers and the roads involved, it seems wise not to announce where the teams may be searching. Anyone who is interested can get in touch with Team Amber to check what they can do.

 

[FindHG]

update 5 hrs ago
https://www.facebook.com/MissingPau...4906591533393/988198387870880/?type=1&theater

New poster and information on the search

 

[steelman]

Excellent !! This is how they are going to manage to find them, glad they're walking it. The area being searched in this picture is along highway 76.

I added it to the map I made up below. Scroll to the bottom of the menu on the left side of the map to find location in this picture. Zoom in close. It's a little north of Pauma Valley.


https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=zAAmDUXJe_aE.kgrCr1tZB1LM




https://www.facebook.com/MissingPau...4906591533393/988143354543050/?type=1&theater

 

[marinthinker]

When a cell phone "pings" with an antenna, the location of the antenna is known and the location of the cell phone can be estimated. The phone does not need to be near the antenna, but does need to be in the range of the antenna. It would be helpful to know the estimated location of Cecil's cell phone when it pinged with the antenna near Deer Springs Road and Highway 15.

This is an edited repost of an earlier post:

Cell Phone "pings" used as locators
My understanding is that the cell phone is pinging with an antenna that is located on a cell tower or another structure. I remember "antenna radiation" maps being available on the web but I am no longer able to find them. It was a way to check if a location was served by an antenna or was in the "shadow" of a hill or other structure. The range of an antenna is effected by the height of the antenna and the strength of the signal.

Oregon uses "cell phone pings" as locators all the time. I don't know about other areas.

Cell Phone pings used as locators:

2014 Oregon
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/02/how-tech-tracks-missing-people/
The woman, Jennifer Huston, mentioned in this article probably turned her phone off after visiting the gas station.

2006 Oregon, two cases
http://www.newson6.com/story/765015...p-in-search-in-oregon-for-2nd-time-in-2-weeks

2013 Oregon
Kennewick Police, Oregon State Patrol, Find Missing 80-Year-Old Man Just in Time for Thanksgiving!
By John McKay November 27, 2013 2:31 PM

A happy story about teamwork and effort!
Oregon State Troopers and Kennewick police have found an 80-year-old man who suffers from dementia related to Atzheimer’s disease, who had wandered away from his home.
The man was found by an Oregon State Trooper on Highway 197 about 8 miles from Maupin, OR., which happens to be about 20 miles South of the Dalles, and a LONG way from the Tri-Cities.
Tuesday, the search began when the man’s family reported him missing. From the Oregon State Patrol Report:
On November 26, 2013 at approximately 8:40 p.m., OSP Northern Command Center dispatch was notified by Kennewick Police Department that they were looking for the reported missing elderly man who was believed to be driving a silver 2006 Jeep Liberty with Washington license plates. Through a ping to the man’s cell phone, Kennewick police said the man is believed to be south of the Columbia River in Sherman County.
OSP troopers from Madras and The Dalles checked Highway 97 between Biggs Junction and Madras but didn’t locate the vehicle or missing man. At approximately 11:00 p.m., OSP Trooper Matthew Newby was checking along Highway 197 when he found the missing man and vehicle stopped near milepost 53.
Kennewick PD notified family members who drove to The Dalles where Trooper Newby transported the man to be reunited with family.
The man’s identity wasn’t released, but thanks to some innovate thinking about using the cellphone to locate him, and hard work, he will be home with his family, safe and sound! A great story heading into the Thanksgiving Holiday!

Read More: Police locate missing Washington Alzheimers patient using cellphone GPS | http://newstalk870.am/kennewick-pol...t-in-time-for-thanksgiving/?trackback=tsmclip

2007 Washington

http://blog.seattlepi.com/consumersmarts/2007/09/28/saved-by-a-ping/

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10247516.html

Rider's wife, Tanya, 33, was found clinging to life after authorities using cell phone records tracked down her SUV in a ravine off a highway south of Seattle on Sept. 27. She had suffered kidney failure, dehydration, a dislocated shoulder, broken collar bone, and a host of other injuries.

I agree, steelman, if they are not abducted, they must be fairly close for the phone ping to have been off the tower it was. Feet on the ground seem essential, but I say that without knowing how any searches are being done.

Your thoughtful and well-considered posts are appreciated.

 

[Tssiemer]

I mean what kind of cell phone did they have? Was it an iPhone or like a flip phone. Very different GPS receivers.


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[Ragamuffin]

So what is your theory on what happened to them ?

Honestly, I think they may have had a medical emergency on the road and/or got turned around and lost, resulting in an accident. I'm just surprised they haven't been found yet. It's the - apparently - not eating that I find strange. That's going to cause problems for a diabetic.

I have a vague hinky feeling, but nothing I can articulate here.

 

[Treelights]

"Private Investigator Believes Missing Couple May Have Crashed."


Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...ll-Cecil-Knutson-304824941.html#ixzz3b0RCzzYk

 

[FindHG]

When a cell phone "pings" with an antenna, the location of the antenna is known and the location of the cell phone can be estimated. The phone does not need to be near the antenna, but does need to be in the range of the antenna. It would be helpful to know the estimated location of Cecil's cell phone when it pinged with the antenna near Deer Springs Road and Highway 15.

This is an edited repost of an earlier post:

Cell Phone "pings" used as locators
My understanding is that the cell phone is pinging with an antenna that is located on a cell tower or another structure. I remember "antenna radiation" maps being available on the web but I am no longer able to find them. It was a way to check if a location was served by an antenna or was in the "shadow" of a hill or other structure. The range of an antenna is effected by the height of the antenna and the strength of the signal.

Oregon uses "cell phone pings" as locators all the time. I don't know about other areas.

Cell Phone pings used as locators:

2014 Oregon
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/08/02/how-tech-tracks-missing-people/
The woman, Jennifer Huston, mentioned in this article probably turned her phone off after visiting the gas station.

2006 Oregon, two cases
http://www.newson6.com/story/765015...p-in-search-in-oregon-for-2nd-time-in-2-weeks

2013 Oregon
Kennewick Police, Oregon State Patrol, Find Missing 80-Year-Old Man Just in Time for Thanksgiving!
By John McKay November 27, 2013 2:31 PM



Read More: Police locate missing Washington Alzheimers patient using cellphone GPS | http://newstalk870.am/kennewick-pol...t-in-time-for-thanksgiving/?trackback=tsmclip

2007 Washington

http://blog.seattlepi.com/consumersmarts/2007/09/28/saved-by-a-ping/

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10247516.html

Excellent !! This is how they are going to manage to find them, glad they're walking it. The area being searched in this picture is along highway 76.

I added it to the map I made up below. Scroll to the bottom of the menu on the left side of the map to find location in this picture. Zoom in close. It's a little north of Pauma Valley.


https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=zAAmDUXJe_aE.kgrCr1tZB1LM


View attachment 75125

https://www.facebook.com/MissingPau...4906591533393/988143354543050/?type=1&theater

To :bump: thank you and to mark, steelman and marinthinker.

 

[FindHG]

"Private Investigator Believes Missing Couple May Have Crashed."


Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...ll-Cecil-Knutson-304824941.html#ixzz3b0RCzzYk

Thank you, Treelights, for the update, and information. Sorry to ask, but is that new video on the link, haven't been able to stream it?

Private Investigator Believes Missing Couple May Have Crashed
The search continued on May 23 for Dianna Bedwell and Cecil Knutson, a Fullerton, Calif., couple who vanished on Mother’s Day after a trip to Valley View Casino
By Monica Garske and Diana Guevara, 3 hrs ago report that

[...]

"area near State Route 76 leading to Valley View and Pala casinos.

[... is where the PI was searching]

"scouring everywhere between Indio and Borrego to no avail.

[... is where Team Amber searched]

The volunteers said they hoped to get wall-sized maps so they could begin targeting even more search areas."

[... is what they need]
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[...] RBBM