CA CA - East Area Rapist/Golden State Killer *ARREST* #4

[fred&edna]

I’d love to see where an actual LE person said this. It was rumored on pro boards and Reddit by people who had “sources.” Those same people later retracted their statements.

BBM

Me too!

I've only seen LE statements like this: "... DeAngelo has not made a confession, the sheriff said, and his responses in interviews with detectives have largely been "self-reflection mutterings" with his face down toward the table."

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209981229.html

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/07...-rape-survivor-recalls-crime-communitys-help/

This is one of several articles that indicates LE do have DNA from the EAR cases and that is how the link to the ONS cases was actually made so I cannot see that the info that evidence has been destroyed is accurate. JMO.

 

[Suglo]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/07...-rape-survivor-recalls-crime-communitys-help/

This is one of several articles that indicates LE do have DNA from the EAR cases and that is how the link to the ONS cases was actually made so I cannot see that the info that evidence has been destroyed is accurate. JMO.

Yes the three EAR Contra Costa County cases preserved their rape kits and that’s how they linked ONS to EAR. This link is an article from 2001 when they initially matched the DNA from EAR and ONS.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/DNA-Links-70s-East-Area-Rapist-to-Serial-2935342.php

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes the three EAR Contra Costa County cases preserved their rape kits and that’s how they linked ONS to EAR. This link is an article from 2001 when they initially matched the DNA from EAR and ONS.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/DNA-Links-70s-East-Area-Rapist-to-Serial-2935342.php

That link won't load for me. Which jurisdictions did not preserve their case files and DNA evidence (or evidence like the diamond knot ties that may have DNA traceable thru new techniques) ?

 

[tmar]

The problem is that the 1986 change in the SOL is not retroactive. In the US, it’s unconstitutional to make laws retroactive (ex post facto). It would not apply to any rapes he committed prior to 1986. I’m sure if they can find a way to charge him, they will. But they can’t use a 1986 law to charge him for crimes committed prior to that law.


MOO

Yuk! :gaah::gaah:

 

[Ironlift]

DNA Data From 100 Crime Scenes Has Been Uploaded To A Genealogy Website — Just Like The Golden State Killer
https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/parabon-genetic-genealogy-cold-cases

The company, Parabon NanoLabs, has already loaded DNA data from about 100 crime scenes into a public genealogy database called GEDmatch. And in about 20 of these cases, the company says, it has found matches with people estimated to be the suspect’s third cousins or even closer relatives.
...
Even before the Golden State Killer news, Parabon had run microarray tests on DNA from more than 150 cold cases, mostly as part of its efforts to reconstruct the likely facial features of suspects. On May 8 it announced that it was teaming up with CeCe Moore, a genetic genealogist known for her work on the PBS TV show Finding Your Roots, to help law enforcement investigate those DNA profiles with GEDmatch. About 100 have been uploaded so far.
...
“If Parabon has put 100 cases up there and has found 20 third and second cousins, that’s going to close a whole lot of cases very fast,” said Greg Hampikian, a specialist in forensic DNA at Boise State University in Idaho. “We’ll see. The proof will be in the pudding.”

Hampikian believes that the relatives whose DNA proves crucial to cracking cold cases deserve some sort of monetary benefit — just as if they had volunteered information that led to an arrest. “If there is a reward for solving a crime, people should be eligible for it,” he said.

I agree on the reward. Could be an incentive for people to upload their DNA.


MOO

Why would it be an incentive for someone to upload there DNA? So you can hopefully catch a relative that has committed a crime? But who would want to rat out a relative? Not me. This makes me not want to upload any DNA to these sites if this is what the cops are doing with it.

 

[GreyClay]

This is one of several articles that indicates LE do have DNA from the EAR cases and that is how the link to the ONS cases was actually made so I cannot see that the info that evidence has been destroyed is accurate. JMO.

This has been one of the most well-known parts of the case for the past 17 years at least. Hunting a Predator, Sudden Terror, I'll Be Gone In the Dark all mentioned it repeatedly. Any of the TV documentaries - Cold Case Files, Golden State Killer - It's Not Over, Unmasking a Killer, they ALL feature Mary Hong talking about this scenario.

There were 49 EAR attacks.

Because the statute of limitations expired all DNA evidence was meant to have been thrown out - there is a limit to storage space and they can't simply store the thousands and thousands of pieces of evidence relating to crimes which can no longer be prosecuted.

Mary Hong found three duplicate kits in Contra Costa County - they were supposed to have been thrown out long before but had accidentally survived in storage. She was able to conclusively prove for the first time what the investigators had always known - that the same man had committed the three rapes in question.

There is no DNA evidence in any of the other 46 EAR cases, across all the jurisdictions.

The only three EAR attacks which DNA exists for are:

Attack 39 in San Ramon (October 28th 1978)
Attack 42 in Danville (December 9th 1978)
Attack 46 in Danville (November 6th 1979)


You will not find one link that will give you all this information, I have listed some of the many places you can find parts of the story above.

DNA Links '70s Rapes to Serial Slaying Cases / Unknown Southern California killer was 'East Area Rapist'

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DNA-Links-70s-Rapes-to-Serial-Slaying-Cases-2935489.php

 

[GreyClay]

Why would it be an incentive for someone to upload there DNA? So you can hopefully catch a relative that has committed a crime? But who would want to rat out a relative? Not me.

The relative in this case was a fourth cousin, who had likely never heard of JJD.

And I think most people would be happy to "rat out" a fourth cousin, who had committed AT LEAST 125 sexually motivated burglaries, 49 home-invasion rapes and 13 murders.

My own opinion.

 

[Mominmi]

Why would it be an incentive for someone to upload there DNA? So you can hopefully catch a relative that has committed a crime? But who would want to rat out a relative? Not me. This makes me not want to upload any DNA to these sites if this is what the cops are doing with it.

I would want to rat out a relative who’d committed crimes, especially crimes of the nature of GSK. Who wouldn’t, I’d ask?

 

[bluesneakers]

The relative in this case was a fourth cousin, who had likely never heard of JJD.

And I think most people would be happy to "rat out" a fourth cousin, who had committed AT LEAST 125 sexually motivated burglaries, 49 home-invasion rapes and 13 murders.

My own opinion.

Same. I wouldn't feel any family loyalty to someone like GSK.

 

[Gussified]

Hampikian believes that the relatives whose DNA proves crucial to cracking cold cases deserve some sort of monetary benefit — just as if they had volunteered information that led to an arrest. “If there is a reward for solving a crime, people should be eligible for it,” he said.

I agree on the reward. Could be an incentive for people to upload their DNA.

Why would it be an incentive for someone to upload there DNA? So you can hopefully catch a relative that has committed a crime? But who would want to rat out a relative? Not me. This makes me not want to upload any DNA to these sites if this is what the cops are doing with it.

Of course not everyone would be incented by a reward. But if we know LE is using GEDmatch to solve cold cases (and now we know they are), some people may be reluctant to upload their DNA. Having access to a reward could be the incentive for someone who is reluctant.

For example, Jane Doe may be confident that none of her known relatives have committed such offenses, and may not be concerned in the least about any relatives she doesn’t know. A potential $50,000 reward to solve a notorious cold case could incent her to submit her DNA.

You? Maybe not. YMMV.


MOO

 

[GreyClay]

Episode 17 of the 12-26-75 podcast - some very interesting information about a particular (unnamed) family who JJD seemed to be targeting, with ransacking/burglaries, rapes and even murders all occurring in close proximity to this family, whose members at one time had all resided in Exeter:

https://soundcloud.com/12-26-75/ep-17-trolls

Now that we know about JJD being a cop while committing 48 of the 49 canonical EAR attacks his repeated attempts to frame people look even more sinister than they have for the past 40 years.

For example, the very famous story about what seems like a huge amount of effort to frame the odd neighbor in attack 6, even going so far as to use the same vehicle that the neighbor drove during attack 5:

An interesting suspect was developed from this case. A neighbor could see "Heather Williams'" bedroom window from HIS bedroom window, although the view was partially obstructed by a hanging plant, and he would supposedly watch her strip her clothes for bed. This suspect knew that her parents would be out of town for the weekend, he was about the right size, he was in his mid-twenties, he had moved back in with his parents five months before the attack, and he drove a green Chevy Vega, which was a vehicle identified in the attack a few days before this one.

While LE was processing the scene, this individual showed up at the doorstep holding a plastic bag full of cheap jewelry. He introduced himself to the officer who met him at the door, then walked through the front door and past that officer. He walked through the front room and to the back patio door. From there he pointed out his bedroom. He scanned the house eagerly. He asked if "Heather" was alright. LE told them they were processing a burglary and led him out. The suspect showed them the bag of jewelry and explained that he found it in his mother's room. His parents were out of town and he didn't think it was theirs. He said he didn't know how it got there, but that he would check with her when she got home. He had noticed the cops there so he wanted to check with them too.


(Hunting A Predator: Interestingly enough, a tracking dog eliminated this suspect right after Attack #7 occurred. While the dog still had the fresh scent, LE went and got him and allowed the dog to sniff him for confirmation. The dog confirmed that he was not the attacker at Attack #7. In order to make absolute sure, this suspect was watched and was in his house when yet another EAR attack occurred.)

http://www.coldcase-earons.com/06.php

ps The episode is fairly brutal in attacking Paul Holes for repeatedly stating conclusively that he "knew" that the VR was not the EAR. Fair warning that certain posters might not enjoy the episode. My own opinion.

 

[fred&edna]

Why would it be an incentive for someone to upload there DNA? So you can hopefully catch a relative that has committed a crime? But who would want to rat out a relative? Not me. This makes me not want to upload any DNA to these sites if this is what the cops are doing with it.

Lives were brutally taken, innocent people horrendously tortured and raped. Lives and hearts of family members and friends were broken.

As long as laws are followed and the DNA evidence untainted... This method of perp identification is fine with me.

 

[Ironlift]

Lives were brutally taken, innocent people horrendously tortured and raped. Lives and hearts of family members and friends were broken.

As long as laws are followed and the DNA evidence untainted... This method of perp identification is fine with me.

But would you want to be held responsible if a family member was caught because you uploaded your dna? I would feel too guilty if I was the one that got a relative busted.

 

[Ironlift]

Episode 17 of the 12-26-75 podcast - some very interesting information about a particular (unnamed) family who JJD seemed to be targeting, with ransacking/burglaries, rapes and even murders all occurring in close proximity to this family, whose members at one time had all resided in Exeter:

https://soundcloud.com/12-26-75/ep-17-trolls

Now that we know about JJD being a cop while committing 48 of the 49 canonical EAR attacks his repeated attempts to frame people look even more sinister than they have for the past 40 years.

For example, the very famous story about what seems like a huge amount of effort to frame the odd neighbor in attack 6, even going so far as to use the same vehicle that the neighbor drove during attack 5:





ps The episode is fairly brutal in attacking Paul Holes for repeatedly stating conclusively that he "knew" that the VR was not the EAR. Fair warning that certain posters might not enjoy the episode. My own opinion.

I think we're all sick of seeing holes though so it should be fine.

 

[musicaljoke]

But would you want to be held responsible if a family member was caught because you uploaded your dna? I would feel too guilty if I was the one that got a relative busted.

If my relative was a serial killer, I would not feel troubled bringing him to justice. I also have a responsibility to my neighbour, which if I ignored, would most certainly make me feel guilty.

 

[Ironlift]

If my relative was a serial killer, I would not feel troubled bringing him to justice. I also have a responsibility to my neighbour, which if I ignored, would most certainly make me feel guilty.

How about any other crime except being a serial killer?

 

[fred&edna]

But would you want to be held responsible if a family member was caught because you uploaded your dna? I would feel too guilty if I was the one that got a relative busted.

I would possibly feel sadness/disappointment. But no, no guilt.

Guilt... belongs to the criminal.

 

[Tadpole12]

The problem is that the 1986 change in the SOL is not retroactive. In the US, it’s unconstitutional to make laws retroactive (ex post facto). It would not apply to any rapes he committed prior to 1986. I’m sure if they can find a way to charge him, they will. But they can’t use a 1986 law to charge him for crimes committed prior to that law.


MOO

TY for the clarification.

 

[Tadpole12]

I don’t think admitting it makes a difference as he will most likely plead not guilty. There’s also no official statement from LE that he admitted to being EAR or the VR. That statement is hearsay that has been published by blogs and mentioned in podcasts. I haven’t seen anyone from LE confirm that he admitted it but maybe I missed it. It would be pretty silly to admit to being EAR/VR but deny being ONS when EAR and ONS are linked via DNA (through the aforementioned CCC rape kits).

As to the rape evidence, Michelle McNamara stated that the Sacramento’s physical evidence and much of the case files were destroyed at p. 158 of her book “I’ll be Gone in the Dark.”

Ty Suglo

https://58freebook.com/Newest-Books/I_ll_Be_Gone_in_the_Dark/page_48.html

"Between October 1978 and July 1979, after which he vanished from Northern California, there were eleven EAR cases in the greater East Bay area, including two in San Jose and one in Fremont. Trying to make headway twenty years later was daunting. Local police departments handled some of the cases. All of the agencies, including Sacramento County, had destroyed their evidence. It was routine Property Room procedure. The cases were past the statute of limitations. Fortunately CCCSO (Contra Costa County Sheriff’s Office), where Holes worked, had kept its evidence. The set-aside red EAR files weren’t a fluke; demoralized CCCSO deputies back in the day assured that it would stay that way. It was the opposite of hanging a police commendation plaque. The EAR was their failure. If the human brain was, as experts allege, the best computer in the world, the old guard wanted their conspicuous EAR files to lure one of those young, inquiring computers in, fast and deep. Sometimes the tough cases were just a relay race."