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Not OP, but the real issue seems (to me) like it's that we know that the white parents were (and still are, at least by some) given the benefit of the doubt so many times.
All of the above, in my opinion, just gives a smoke screen allowing others to avoid personal accountability.
You say it is not about 'blame.'
Are we not blaming the Hart couple for their horrid actions? I think so and it is reasonable to do so.
But there is plenty of blame to go around, in my opinion.
Actually, there have been advocates for orphanage type living as better than foster care.
There are things that may work such as the decriminalization of drug offenses. Provide living situations for the mother and child with parenting care and classes.
Work on the equality of women. Work on things such as the issues of locker roomtalk.
Work on the toxic masculnity men are raised in here so their self esteem is riased and they do not need to do all of their weird posturing.
Make schools better. Smaller class sizes. Adequate support such as counselors, social workers , psychologists right in the schools to,provide mental health services. Not as pullout, but for classes as a whole so kids are not singled out as needing mental health services.
If kids are found to need services, provide it after school with transportaion, if needed.
Jobs in inner cities. After school programs.
It will take money to work on providing opportunities for people so they dont create more people with issues.
This case is complicated. Yes, its illustrative of racism. But, there is also a long history of the adoption of children of many colors and ehtniticites  inluding many white children by white parents  being abused, starved, caged, burned, abandoned, rehomed, and killed. See: http://poundpuplegacy.org/abuse_cases
Many people adopt to improve their image as good semaritans or liberals but are anything but.
I said it's about influence and power. That's not a smoke screen. It's an assessment of the situation as a whole. I already said it can't be isolated into one moment. <modsnip>
IMO
The children were born with crack in their blood stream. That cannot be ignored and then assessed as 'influence and power.'
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I really wish that I could understand the logic of those that think that these 6 kids came wired as normal with no issues whatsoever. Before even reaching the Hart household.
I do not even think any psychology background is needed to truly understand this.
Smh
I typed out a comment earlier and then in the middle of my typing - POOF! I'll start over. I felt at the beginning of this case that the Mom's may have started out with good intentions, became overwhelmed, lacked parenting skills and got in to a pattern of abuse UNTIL I read the article about the first foster daughter that I had not previously knew existed. I can't imagine anyone driving a child to a therapy appointment, never saying Good Bye or discussing the fact with the child, but having the therapist tell them they would not be returning to their home to find out later they had removed all of her items while she was in school! This is very cold, unfeeling behavior! This brings me to my next thoughts that I can't imagine a therapist not making a record of this to CPS and someone stopping the fostering of the three children arriving from Texas until the situation was investigated. I feel they demonstrated severe emotional abuse on the first foster daughter!
Has anyone run across a notification of a press confrence? I would think that one would be given frequently.
The very last thing the two adult Harts tried to do was to raise up children to be healthy, happy, independent human individuals. The silencing and ultimate extinguishing of these six vibrant, potential-filled youngsters breaks my heart, and the betrayal they suffered from the legal and child welfare system, which never bothered to listen to them or to assess their inability to thrive in an adoptive placement, absolutely enrages me. Alarms were sounded, repeatedly, but no agency bothered to look beyond the glib words of the saviors to whom these youngsters were entrusted, and investigate what their salvation consisted of, exactly.
Not one article I have read about the Harts even mentions any of the six childrens individual personalities, achievements, or interests. The only child we have learned anything at all about is Devonte, the familys golden child, apparently chosen by his moms to be the familys designated star and we know something of the individual he was not because of the famously staged photo op he was subject to, but through his genuinely heroic efforts to find help and food for himself and his siblings. This family was all about its adult members and their carefully curated public image, an image maintained through the performance skills of their harshly trained troupe of coerced young actors.
I agree - they were shopping and had something specific in mind from the start. I don't know what, but it's like they wanted their own little church with their own obedient followers.
It's so twisted I can't even wrap my head around it. Imagine collecting children for a project like this. Who did they think they were??
Can you confirm the crack in their blood stream with a link? I may have missed that line.
If you closely read my posts I'm speaking of the influence and power that the Hart women accessed. I think we've made our views clear. Let's remember that the heart of the matter is that the Hart women murdered their children (with two yet to be recovered). Whether they were born with crack in their system is not what killed them.
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I think what is under question is if the kids were really *so* damaged, why on earth would the women not reach out for any and all help available. Not even within their own festival social circle. Therapy, support groups, ANYTHING.
There is absolutely no proof (yet) that these women intentionally drove off that cliff. Could Jen have had a stroke? Could she have had a heart attack? Lost consciousness? Fell asleep? We have no idea. All LE has said is that drugs and alcohol were not a factor.
We have zero facts because no one is alive to tell us. The only person speaking out has said she was not starved or abused during the time she was in their care. I am hesitant to label them as evil abusers who were racist and starved these kids. Yes, it has been 5 years and they should've had HH's front teeth fixed but my daughters implants were $12,000 each for two lateral incisors plus a $6000 bill for braces on otherwise perfectly straight teeth. Sometimes a $30,000 orthodontic bill is not feasible as I sure as heck don't believe that people don't love their kids just because they cannot afford to get them braces. That is just ridiculous and hurtful.
On another note, I would bet money that if I made my kids eat "crunchy" foods or foods they didn't prefer and a neighbor was willing to sneak them chips and beef jerky, my kids would be over there every day saying we didn't have any food in the house. None of those 6 kids look "starved" to me as we saw with the Turpin children. My 14 year old is 90 pounds soaking wet and eats us out of house and home. Even sneaks downstairs at 2am to binge eat. She would probably tell you we withhold food from her since we only let her take 3 snack items with her sandwhich for lunch instead of 20 like she trys to take. And my first thought when I see the pictures of those precious kids is that they look happy and healthy in every single one.
I know my opinions won't be popular but I think too many people are jumping to conclusions too quickly without many facts.
More on the petition started by a 'former' family friend calling for a National Child Abuse Registry that allows state agencies immediate access to prior reports of abuse.
http://katu.com/news/local/punishme...-family-friend-seeks-change-to-honor-children
Earlier coverage from AP of the same lady's account and what she described as 'unnecessarily cruel punishment she witnessed while living with the family for two weeks in 2013 (She reported it back then) : http://katu.com/news/local/woman-says-she-reported-cruel-treatment-by-jennifer-and-sarah-hart