CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #5

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The exploitation of the images of kids. I have been thinking a lot about this... Discussions about FB, our image only conscious SM society. The celebrities who make a gazillion dollars on nothing but image and the exploitation of their kids because after all, they are truly unaware they have gone global or what that means.

Many have expressed discomfort with the famous 2014 viral hug image and the usury of Devonte, free hugs slung around his neck... Did it serve someone else's image (J&S) of themselves, projected onto a community that viewed them (J&S) in the image they wanted, actively sought to project? Devonte was 11 years old when that hugs photo was taken.

Were these kids rolled out, at dress up costumed events, and exploited in film, music videos, and images that served more an image of two women that hid cruelty, without question. Why? Hindsight, in this case is very cruel. And, their community may or may not be jolted into self reflection. But it begs the Q; would they (J&S) have projected the same facade if they never adopted children? Would they have stood out like they did? No, I don't think so.

Are there fallacies as factors in the underlying truths that get lost in translation?

It struck me that I have a problem with their moniker - The Hart Tribe. But that's just me.

I also have a problem with the Free Hugs as a movement. I have never seen it, nor can I imagine it ever flying in my east coast world...

Without knowing these women's childhood, upbringing, their neighborhoods, but knowing they were estranged from their families, I speculate their choices seem to reflect little experience with the many dynamics they were taking on. Or, worse yet, a chip on their shoulder experience, one that only served as a continuation of anger & rage behind the facade.

There have been so many tragic injustices in history, but in modern times, this is one of the most complex tragedies I have ever come to know. And six beautiful kids paid the price.

And how did the perhaps the exploitation of these children's images orbiting the earth factor into their destiny, unbeknownst to them? And tragically, how did one famous photograph factor into the conscious, or subconscious decision to make a run from the law and silence six beautiful souls?

Excellent post. Your thoughts resonate with me. I don't have a problem with the Free Hugs movement. As long as ADULTS are the ones offering to hug strangers. Children should not be made or asked to hug a bunch of strangers, nor engage in the highly charged, emotionally intense moments with adults that Devonte engaged in on a couple occasions.

This is especially so when the kids in question come form troubled or abusive backgrounds.

Early on in this case I got a sense of narcissism from the couple and exploitation of the children using them as props to fulfill the narrative of the parents as super progressive and oppressed people with the specific, personal need to fight hard against the establishment.

A bunch of little black children helped fulfill that narrative.

Someone mentioned Rachel Dolezal, who was addicted to being seen as an oppressed black woman who was justified in raging against the machine. I had the same thought.

And listen, I'm a raging progressive liberal. And I live with the knowledge that various populations experience very real and systemic oppression in our nation.

But that doesn't mean a couple of narcissists can't latch on to a cause and exploit it and their children for attention and accolades.

I;m sadly certain that happened here and led to what you so profoundly described in your last paragraph.
 
Has anyone ever seen anything like this? It is like having a tropny wife and parading her around in a way.

Nope my friends and I that have children weren’t stingy and selfish. That’s just as bad as parents who drag their little children into bars. Either don’t go or leave them with family or a sitter. If those women wanted to do that stuff should have left the kids with the their friends maybe spend the night at their houses but oh that’s right I forgot these women didn’t let them have friends. I bet they never saw a movie at a theater their whole lives.
 
And let's note that on the "free hugs" apostolate, the women did not participate. Yes, in this "tribe", where they all seemed to share everything, including the children partaking in the parents political interests, only the incomparably photogenic, charismatic, vivacious and all-together charming Devonte was subjected to be embraced by every being who asked.

Folks, I can't help it. A spade is a spade is a spade. These were despicable women who used their adopted children as props for their own, narcissistic, agenda: their image. When it came crashing down around their ears, they no longer had need for said props or even life itself.


Great point! Hadn't thought of it. If these women were so into the hug movement, why weren't THEY themselves hugging everybody in sight?
 
Excellent post. Your thoughts resonate with me. I don't have a problem with the Free Hugs movement. As long as ADULTS are the ones offering to hug strangers. Children should not be made or asked to hug a bunch of strangers, nor engage in the highly charged, emotionally intense moments with adults that Devonte engaged in on a couple occasions.

This is especially so when the kids in question come form troubled or abusive backgrounds.

Early on in this case I got a sense of narcissism from the couple and exploitation of the children using them as props to fulfill the narrative of the parents as super progressive and oppressed people with the specific, personal need to fight hard against the establishment.

A bunch of little black children helped fulfill that narrative.

Someone mentioned Rachel Dolezal, who was addicted to being seen as an oppressed black woman who was justified in raging against the machine. I had the same thought.

And listen, I'm a raging progressive liberal. And I live with the knowledge that various populations experience very real and systemic oppression in our nation.

But that doesn't mean a couple of narcissists can't latch on to a cause and exploit it and their children for attention and accolades.

I;m sadly certain that happened here and led to what you so profoundly described in your last paragraph.

Me too. Have been a left wing whacko for 1/2 century. Over the course of time, I have seen the fake and phony exploiting these ideas of peace, love, etc.

Rachel Dolezal is a good example. I could never understand her but she now fits into this new type of ?????? whatever it is.

There are those that do the sweat lodges for money. The appropriation of the clothing, spirituality , music and on and on for money and or fake personnas.

When I see all of this cultural appropriation it makes me cringe and wonder what the person is all about. And now since the Hart nightmare, I am even more cynical.

Using children in this way really gets me. I wonder if it is a motivation for some of the movie stars we read about.
 
Typical hippie music festival atmosphere. Those kids would have definitely been exposed to people who were drunk and stoned. That said, those festivals always have a "family camping" area where adult substances aren't allowed so I'm assuming that while the kids were little, they'd stay in a quiet environment outside of the actual shows.

Yeah, I'm not worried about the atmosphere. Most people at hippie festivals are pretty gentle. I'm worried about the overall abuse and neglect these kids were subjected to.

Oh and side note? I don;t think the parent were the only ones exploiting these kids. I hope this isn't taken as offensive but present-day hippie culture is predominately a white people thing in the states. Not by intent, that's just how it is, from what I have experienced over my years.

I think a lot of these musicians enjoyed having little POC on stage or in shoots with them, frankly because it gave them more credibility as progressives. IMO.
 
Great point! Hadn't thought of it. If these women were so into the hug movement, why weren't THEY themselves hugging everybody in sight?

They were too busy staging the photographs for Hart Vision Photography.
 
Me too. Have been a left wing whacko for 1/2 century. Over the course of time, I have seen the fake and phony exploiting these ideas of peace, love, etc.

Rachel Dolezal is a good example. I could never understand her but she now fits into this new type of ?????? whatever it is.

There are those that do the sweat lodges for money. The appropriation of the clothing, spirituality , music and on and on for money and or fake personnas.

When I see all of this cultural appropriation it makes me cringe and wonder what the person is all about. And now since the Hart nightmare, I am even more cynical.

Using children in this way really gets me. I wonder if it is a motivation for some of the movie stars we read about.

Your right like Sandra Bullock and soon to be third adopted African American child.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...53b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.ac1189ee6878
 
Either they photo-shopped their teeth in many of the pictures, or those kids saw a dentist somehow, I believe. It really, really looks like at least 4 of them had braces. Maybe their dentist is a friend of theirs who refuses to come forward?
I think the kids naturally had straight white teeth.

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I think a Disney Parade or perhaps Ariana Grande, one direction, or other pop fav teen musicians would have been much more fun for these kids than that hippie festival crap no place for kids. IMHO

That I disagree with. My parents were hippies. Hippie crap gave me some of the most fun and gentle experiences of my childhood. Music, acceptance, love, nature. It was a blast.
 
I'm not worried about the atmosphere. Most people at hippie festivals are pretty gentle. I'm worried about the overall abuse and neglect these kids were subjected to.

Oh and side note? I don;t think the parent were the only ones exploiting these kids. I hope this isn't taken as offensive but present-day hippie culture is predominately a white people thing in the states. Not by intent, that's just how it is, from what I have experienced over my years.

I think a lot of these musicians enjoyed having little POC on stage or in shoots with them, frankly because it gave them more credibility as progressives. IMO.

I live in a Third World country on the ocean now. There are several European fmilies ( read trust fund) that live on their sailboats , don’t vaccinate, walk barefoot, have a plot of land where they grow their organic veggies (which I totally believe in) , but they homeschool. They never do anything with the native community.

There are Americans here as well ( read trust fund) who are into the save the earth but they never give to the community. Only take. For instance, they do.not participate in clean up the town or ocean days.

This fake bs gets to me. The blogs about their lives and people wishing they could live simply off of the grid like these people do. I could go on and on about this.
 
Agree with so much, bunnykins. Too often it's not possible to adopt non-infant AA children into AA families simply for lack of families, so it's adopt them to parents of a different ethnicity or stay in the foster system forever (which means being adults with no parents, forever). HOWEVER - that doesn't mean it's okay not to try for a good long while, to try first and foremost to make family placements actually work, or okay to send them cross-country with no regard to their family/ethnicity/culture/geography of origin without a prolonged effort nearby first. Adoptive parents should certainly be informed of studies indicating which practices lead to the best long-term results with regard to everything, including cultural contact, and in my opinion, if the state is going to send a check every month to pay for their care, it should come with annual check-ins on their medical status and contact with local law enforcement and child protective services. That should be the price of the money that comes with it.

After all, the government doesn't pay me to raise my biological children. Money comes with strings attached, IMO.

Great post!

So what can we actually DO to make kids safer that are adopted as older kids from foster care and TPR, domestically? (Other than complaining about it, and wringing our hands?)

I have more than a few suggestions, as an adoptive parent, and as a health care professional. How about we take a page from the requirements for international adoptive parents, and add a few more interdisciplinary safety layers?

Nearly everything below (1, 2, 3, 4, and 6) is a requirement for parents who adopt internationally. I know from firsthand experience, because we just finished our 5 year regimen for our youngest child.

Would these requirements make it safer for domestically adopted kids from foster care? Unquestionably so. These are requirements for international adoptions to more strongly ensure fewer adoption disruptions, and ensure the proper care, safety, and socialization of the child who has experienced severe disruption in their early lives. But they would grind domestic adoption of kids to an almost instant halt, because very, very few prospective adoptive parents, IMO, would be willing to agree to this level of intrusive and close oversight.

1. Require domestic adoptive parents to agree to a prolonged period of social services follow up, that they must PRE-PAY social services agency before the adoptions are finalized. Include penalty deposit of several thousand dollars that will be escrowed and returned (with interest) after 5 years if all criteria are adhered to by the adoptive family.

2. Do not permit additional adoptions within the first 5 years of adoption.

3. Do not allow adoptions of children out of natural birth order. (ie, adoptions of new children can only be younger than the youngest child currently residing in the home, and no children can be adopted older than the oldest child living in the home.

4. At least FIVE YEARS of twice yearly follow up by licensed social workers, with a formal report written. Require INDIVIDUAL reports on each child, not “group” reports for multiple children.

• Home visit, plus office visit

• Documentation by SW of child’s individual socialization with relatives, friends, neighbors, including activities of interest (sports, clubs, etc.)

• Documentation of any discipline related issues, including all contacts with law enforcement, and the outcomes. Include documentation of all contacts with law enforcement for the adoptive parents, as well as the outcome.

• Thorough documentation of schooling arrangement—whether homeschooled, or in traditional schools, or online schools. Documentation of registration of homeschoolers and curriculum used. Documentation of educational assessments done every other year for school aged children in homeschool situations.

• Requirement for continuous health insurance for the adopted child, and at least annual visits to primary care, documentation of dates of service, and letter from primary care confirming visits, evaluation, and care.

• Requirement for annual dental services, and documentation of provider/ date/ etc.

• Requirement for annual optometric screening, with documentation of provider/ date

• Requirement for psychosocial evaluation of child by psychological professional every 12-24 months, with waiver letter if no services required.

• Annual screening for parents and adoptive children, for 5 years, for illegal drugs, with appropriate follow up for positive results.

**We were required to sign an affidavit BEFORE adoption that we understood that if we missed any of the required follow ups, or moved without notifying, or raised any red flags during our first 5 years, we would be referred to law enforcement and CPS within 30 days. We were not required to do ongoing drug testing, but I think it is a prudent requirement, and don't view it as too invasive.
 
I live in a Third World country on the ocean now. There are several European fmilies ( read trust fund) that live on their sailboats , don’t vaccinate, walk barefoot, have a plot of lamd where they grow their organic veggies (which I totally believe in) , but they homeschool. They never do anything with the native community.

There are Americans here as well ( read trust fund) who are into the save the earth but they never give to the community. Only take. For imstance, they do.not participate in clean up the town or ocean days.

This fake bs gets to me.

Sounds familiar. I lived in Antigua for ten years. But a fair number of expats did and do contribute to the island. I know I did while I lived there and was offered citizenship for my efforts. DV forced me off island before that took place.
 
I think the kids naturally had straight white teeth.

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Yep I think so. One of my daughters is like this. Perfect straight white smile, never has had a cavity. While the rest of the family runs up dentist, periodontist, and orthodontist bills, too.
 
Those are good ideas. It would make it so only the rich can adopt because of the escrow fund.

I have a friend who taught in a residential treatment center for kids age 5-14? I am not sure of the top age. She said it was filled with children from failed adoptions.

I would add that if the parents are not the same background of the child, there would have to be a plan on how to provide appropriate cultural immersio and to have classes for the parents and child to learn how to deal with the issues of being non white if the child is going to a white area.
 
Those are good ideas. It would make it so only the rich can adopt because of the escrow fund.

I have a friend who taught in a residential treatment center for kids age 5-14? I am not sure of the top age. She said it was filled with children from failed adoptions.

I would add that if the parents are not the same background of the child, there would have to be a plan on how to provide appropriate cultural immersio and to have classes for the parents and child to learn how to deal with the issues of being non white if the child is going to a white area.

BBM. That is already a requirement in international adoptions. I didn't include it in my list.

Adopted children from certain countries have a nearly 100% incidence of prenatal alcohol exposure. If you adopt from those countries, an additional requirement of initial and ongoing contact with FAS specialists is required, along with a plan for addressing the ongoing educational, intellectual, and interpersonal issues related to FAS.
 
BBM. That is already a requirement in international adoptions. I didn't include it in my list.

Adopted children from certain countries have a nearly 100% incidence of prenatal alcohol exposure. If you adopt from those countries, an additional requirement of initial and ongoing contact with FAS specialists is required, along with a plan for addressing the ongoing educational, intellectual, and interpersonal issues related to FAS.

This must be something added not too long ago? I won’t go into the long story but my sister had an impossible time to get her doctor to refer to the Uof M fetal alcohol clinic. I took her to my doctor and she referred. Famous Chinese doctor at the U. It took two days to do the analysis at that time.

My sister had zero requirements to have the children be immersed in their culture. Good to see things have changed.

My neices were from one of those countries I am sure. The U could not declare her FAS because the birth records were so wrong. The height and weight were impossible. And they needed pictures of the child smiling at younger ages and those did not exist. The doctor did give some kind of diagnosis which allowed her to get services. She was 18 at the time. Adopted at age four. It took a long time and a huge fight with differenf entities to get help.
 
I will also add that the above requirements I have outlined are adhered to by the most reputable, outcome-based, interdisciplinary agencies, who have the least incidence of adoption disruptions. Many people choose to avoid what they perceive as onerous requirements by using agencies such as (IMO) sketchy religious organizations, and private lawyers. Those type of arrangements have the highest rates of disruption.

There is a lot of research into the most effective approaches to adoption of older kids and kids from very troubled backgrounds. We know what works, and what does not work. We also know that even with "best practices" there are sometimes "bad outcomes". But the sheer NUMBER of bad outcomes is infinitesimally smaller when best practices are adhered to.

But adhering to best practices is costly.

Many adoption agencies have lots of advice on how to "fund" the many fees required for international adoption, which IS NOT subsidized by the state or feds. (Unless the child qualifies for social security, etc, once they are already adopted.)

For domestically adopted kids from foster care, who DO receive several hundred dollars per child per month, those dollars can easily be actually spent on things like medical care.

We simply need to STOP writing blank checks to adoptive parents, with no strings on how they are required to account for how it's spent. That money should be put into separate accounts for EACH child, and spent only on the child's needs-- eyeglasses, dental care, educational expenses, etc.

Adoption subsidies for any child should never be a means of ordinary family income that is not closely tracked. We have INCENTIVIZED adoption by writing blank monthly checks, and some people WILL exploit this without spending the money on the child's needs.
 
This must be something added not too long ago? I won’t go into the long story but my sister had an impossible time to get her doctor to refer to the Uof M fetal alcohol clinic. I took her to my doctor and she referred. Famous Chinese doctor at the U. It took two days to do the analysis at that time.

My sister had zero requirements to have the children be immersed in their culture. Good to see things have changed.

To be clear, there is no requirement for "immersion" in a birth culture, which would be extremely counterproductive and dysfunctional for an internationally adopted child.

To the same ends, it is highly discouraged to enroll an internationally adopted school aged child in an "immersion" language program of their birth language, unless they were adopted under the age of 1 or 2 (which almost no internationally kids are, for many reasons). English immersion is what internationally adopted kids need as a primary language during their first 5 years post adoption, with addition of the birth language (or other world language) later on when fully fluent in English.

The requirements/ suggestions for cultural contact with a birth culture can vary depending on what is available geographically, also. The goal is to incorporate some aspects/ contact of the child's birth culture on a regular basis, until the child is at an age to choose/ refuse.
 
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