CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #2

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

The moms were both buckled in and they have said from the beginning that JH was driving so I am guessing she was buckled into the drivers seat.

They have changed this to no one was buckled in, including moms.

 

[drjmcope06]

Are all three children that are still missing the ones who reported/told others about the abuse?

 

[Amonet]

Some reasons why I think Jen is more the perp of the final act...

She was the one accused of the beating of the six-year old. Jen's the one in the driving seat when it goes over the cliff. Jen's the one I'm seeing mostly talking about the family in articles. Jen's the one I'm seeing following SM and YouTube things about the family and adding her comments. Jen's the stay at home mom, which makes it most likely that she does most of the actual homeschooling (not that education is limited to school hours, but a lot of the schoolwork probably happened during her hours with the kids). Jen's the one who wrote that thing in 2017 listing all the stressors.

We seem to be finding out a lot more about Jen. I guess she seems to be mostly the one pushing the family forward in the sense of "here's our family, look at us"

Someone said if there was a cancer diagnosis why no "poor us", etc? Where have they ever asked for help? Where have they ever asked for money for themselves? They seem to be about causes and getting support for causes, always being seen helping others. I'm not seeing examples of them begging for any kind of help. During the period where Jen says they're going through all those stressors in 2017, she cut herself off from FB, cut herself off from a lot of the people in the 'hippy' circles, it even sounds like the whole family was shut off, shut away, during this period.

I'm not seeing very much about Sarah, other than her presence in some of the photos, to really draw any conclusions about her. She pled guilty even though the abuse allegation was against Jen. I find that questionable and confusing. It was suggested by someone here that it might have been a decision based on Jen being the SAHM and them deciding the kids needed her at home? Sarah could be protecting Jen. Sarah might feel she has the stronger personality to handle going to jail. Maybe Sarah feels slightly responsible for not supporting Jen more in the child-rearing and allowing these stresses to build to the point of the beating? Maybe Sarah did the beating, but why would the child lie about who did it when she was the only one of the children to say it happened the way it did and all the others seem to be supplying coached answers (though they seem too young to keep the stories straight).

I think Jen and Sarah 'could' have agreed on what happened at the cliff, but they might not have done. But I don't feel I can ask that question for Jen as she was in the driving seat, the one with best access to the pedals.

 

[flourish]

Someone very early on posted what was paid out for adoptions of foster kids. Im sure they got subsidies based on Sarah’s Kohl’s salary for a family size of eight I’m sure they qualified for poverty level assistance. SSI or SSDI if any of the kids had disabilities also.

They may have qualified, but do we know they actually received anything? I mean, likely, yes, but do we know for certain? Also, at least one was over 18, so they wouldn't continue to receive anything for him after she 18 would they? In my experience, even with children with disabilities don't come with a subsidy after age 18, nor do the parents automatically remain the legal guardians, but have to go through the court process to be awarded guardianship.

 

[TxMother67]

I'm wondering about the 24 hours (+/-) the family spent near Fort Bragg. If they arrived there late in the evening as is stated, would it be a possibility that they would have camped in either Mendocino National Forest or Jackson State Forest? Primitive camping or dispersed camping in these areas is free. It doesn't require any sort of check in at as you would with a state campground. Hoping against hope that the three missing children could somehow, somewhere still be alive.
https://www.sixfiguresunder.com/how-to-camp-for-free-free-camping-hacks/

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

My kids were in same school as the Hart Tribe. I was talking to my husband about it and he reminded me of a family with 5 black children (trust me, Alexandria is probably 99% white so they “stood out..&#8221. We always came after the first bell because of our autistic son that didn’t do well with the chaos of the morning: loud bell, excited students, announcements, etc.. And they did too although I don’t know if it was definitely them OR if they came late for the same reasons. They drove a very nice vehicle - a Mercedes silver passenger van and the kids were always dressed up the same with very nice clothing. In addition, the kids all walked in a straight line but were very polite. They all seemed the same size - I assumed they were all the same age.

My son would have been in kindergarten with Sierra, I believe. But none of the kids are in the yearbook which is usually done at the end of the year in May and I believe they were pulled out of school in April 2011. There is an article that talks to the principal of our school and the Communications Director that says kids were moved to a homeschool situation the day that Sarah settled the criminal charges.

Still waiting on an official comment about the alleged kkk cross-burning.. Whivh DID NOT happen. Add it to Jen’s list of lies.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

For those speculating that this was a family annihilator type case and only one must've made the choice, there are plenty of cases where families take themselves out because they are paranoid or think the authorities or someone else is coming or for various reason:

Grandmother and mother killed twin daughters and then themselves after the court granted temporary custody to an aunt:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oc...or-grandmother-likely-killed-4-in-talega/amp/

And entire family of adults committed suicide together after dressing in black and taking Vicodin. No known motive. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oc...nte-family-determined-to-be-suicide-pact/amp/

Parents in Canada try to kill them selves and kill their kids (one parent survived) after experiencing financial and other problems. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...n-parents-suicide-pact-police/article1146079/

A grandmother and father killed themselves and dad's 3 year old after mom filed for full custody. https://www.google.com/amp/myfox8.c...3-year-olds-life-was-pact-between-adults/amp/

I can go on and on. These things happen.

It is interesting to me that people assume Jen was the one who made the decision or was abusing Sarah or was the narcissist in the family or was the abusive parent. And not Sarah.

Sarah is younger and more feminine and sweet looking. Other than that I see zero reason for such conclusions. Sarah is the one who pled guilty to child abuse. She lived in that house. She participated in the glossy videos and lovely photo ops. She went with the entire family to the neighbors to try to defuse the situation. She participated in the carefully timed moves everytime there was an allegation of abuse. She was the honeschooling mom who admitted
to a friend to not being able to cope.

There is zero indication she was a hapless victim to Jen.

I believe both these adults are and were responsible for what happened to these kids before they died and how they died. I believe, based on my personal experiences and a viewing of the facts and snippets of their lives we've seen from photos, videos, friends and neighbor accounts, news articles, and their countless "fans" that both were equally passionately concerned about about appearance and could not withstand the possibility of their children being taken and the facade crumbling.

I so agree. It" possible Jen could have been bipolar. Periods of narcissistic manic behavior then periods of depression.

According to the attached article, ..."narcissists are particularly loath to admit to their weaknesses. The grandiose bragging and self-promotion that people high in narcissism demonstrate mean that, should they not live up to their own standards of perfection, they need to come up with ways to avoid facing the truth."

Another article I read explains that, "Failure is not an option for a narcissist. In their mind,*they*do not fail, other people fail and cause them to have a set back.

They appear to be very resilient and adaptable, failure does not affect them like it would a normal person because their whole life is orchestated and a lie."

Thus IMO, the couple led an orchestrated life of lies and deceit. They put on a facade of love, happiness & togetherness. Gradually the facade was eroding little by little and by the time CPS knocked on the door Friday, March 23rd, the Hart's had to run because their life of lies would soon be unmasked. The truth would be out and together Jen and Sarah would be shamed, vilified and prosecuted. Failure is not an option for a full blown narcissist. Their life as they knew it would be over and it was better to die than be known for who you really are. - My opinion only.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../just-how-far-will-narcissist-go-hide-failure


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[tara83]

If they have some mental/physical disability they would still receive it after 18.My nephew has mental disabilities so my stepsister still receives money even though he is 21.

 

[Poppyflower]

And why did JH only buy bananas at Safeway? A family of eight & she only bought a few bananas??

Do you know all that she bought that day? link if you do please

Also, it looked like there were more items on the belt.

 

[Poppyflower]

Because you asked for a link

I don't understand what you're saying? That they're socialists?

I'm pretty sure Sanders is independent and runs democratic.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I so agree. It" possible Jen could have been bipolar. Periods of narcissistic manic behavior then periods of depression.

According to the attached article, ..."narcissists are particularly loath to admit to their weaknesses. The grandiose bragging and self-promotion that people high in narcissism demonstrate mean that, should they not live up to their own standards of perfection, they need to come up with ways to avoid facing the truth."

Another article I read explains that, "Failure is not an option for a narcissist. In their mind,*they*do not fail, other people fail and cause them to have a set back.

They appear to be very resilient and adaptable, failure does not affect them like it would a normal person because their whole life is orchestated and a lie."

Thus IMO, the couple led an orchestrated life of lies and deceit. They put on a facade of love, happiness & togetherness. Gradually the facade was eroding little by little and by the time CPS knocked on the door Friday, March 23rd, the Hart's had to run because their life of lies would soon be unmasked. The truth would be out and together Jen and Sarah would be shamed, vilified and prosecuted. Failure is not an option for a full blown narcissist. Their life as they knew it would be over and it was better to die than be known for who you really are. - My opinion only.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../just-how-far-will-narcissist-go-hide-failure


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Great post. I agree. I think your last paragraph sums it up in a nutshell.

 

[Poppyflower]

I posted my theory earlier and adding on to it, I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn drove off the cliff.

1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.

IMO, just my speculation here.

 

[flourish]

If they have some mental/physical disability they would still receive it after 18.My nephew has mental disabilities so my stepsister still receives money even though he is 21.

Not in all cases. I can't share too much because it's work related for me and HIPAA and whatnot but I've got a current situation where a family is about to lose their subsidy because the child is turning 18 and their share of cost for the child's current services won't change so they're looking at paying out of pocket until or unless they complete a bunch of stuff for social security and Medicaid, which may decrease the share of cost. Perhaps it depends on the avenue of the adoption as well as the state and or the kind of or level of disabilities present.

 

[gitana1]

I'm wondering what caused the initial statement that Jen and Sarah WERE wearing their seatbelts. That has now been retracted. I'm certain an autopsy could determine this for certain with the injuries that would be sustained with a belt at their torso and waistline.

Just the telephone game? Things sometimes get incorrectly reported by LE staff.

 

[flourish]

I posted my theory earlier and adding on to it, I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn drove off the cliff.

1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.

That's what I've been thinking, too, like okay everyone we're going to pull over and sleep here so everyone unbuckle and get comfy I'm going to leave the car running for the heat for a while...

I wish we knew what time the crash occurred... I would have thought the black box would provide times?

 

[flourish]

I don't understand what you're saying? That they're socialists?

I'm pretty sure Sanders is independent and runs democratic.

Thank you, I'd thought I'd remembered him being an option on the Democratic primary ballot.

 

[Amonet]

Crash that killed at least 5 family members is now being labeled a crime

The mysterious California seaside crash in which at least five members of a family were killed is being labeled a crime by the man heading up the investigation.

Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman told HLN’s “Crime & Justice with Ashleigh Banfield” on Wednesday that Jennifer Hart was driving her family’s SUV when it went over a California cliff last week.

The sheriff said Jennifer Hart and spouse Sarah Hart were found dead wearing seat belts, but three children found near the vehicle had not been belted in.

“I’m to the point where I no longer am calling this an accident; I’m calling it a crime,” Allman told HLN.

"The sheriff said Jennifer Hart and spouse Sarah Hart were found dead wearing seat belts"



I don't think we can call the seatbelts thing just yet as we have 1 article with seatbelts and 1 article without.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Yes I have seen comments too but I didn't think they were skinny initially, one is a little thin but the Dekalbs thought so.....at any rate they are undernourished be it from the past 8-10 years with the Harts or from previous homes, they are all under normal stature

ONe with no front teeth, Hannah? looked 7 yrs but is 12 years old, the others all the same, very small except Markis

Does anyone else read comments on the skinniness of the children and think people must think I starve my children too!?

Without the background story, I would not look at any of these photos and think these kids were underfed. I have healthy, active kids who eat me out of house and home and look just like these photos!

 

[SATA]

As far as I know, Sarah´s father is the only relative that has come forward. Otherwise nothing.

Were Jen and Sarah largely estranged from their families?
We have seen a lot of photos, but none with grandparents or other relatives, have we?

 

[Whiteorchids]

I posted my theory earlier and adding on to it, I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn drove off the cliff.

1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.

I think your right on!

All JMO

I think Sarah and Jen were having Marital problems behind closed doors as that could be the core of the decline in social media that was not on Jens FB list of excuses due to embarrassment of the perfect diverse family.

Sarah worked outside of the home and while doing so could have met another women while Jen took care of the kids. Sarah is an attractive woman. Taking care of six kids day and night can take its toll on your mentality especially if you think your spouse is cheating or In love with someone else. CPS coming to the house was the final breakdown.

I think they all loaded up in the SUV long trip to discuss their options and what steps to take next and to learn exactly what the kids told the neighbors. Lots of confusion going on. I’m sure they knew they were facing jail and the kids being taken away by CPS and placed back in Foster care. I don’t think kids would want to go back into Foster care only to be split up. I’m sure there was lots of crying on that trip on what to do next. I think it’s very possible Sarah wanted out and to breakup and leave Jen and perhaps get custody of the kids.

I have a gut feeling this was all Jens crazy idea she and her alone was the one who made the decision to accelerate and murder everyone. For whatever reason I think she had Sarah take the fall and plead guilty for beating Abigail. Abigail said it was Jen who bruised her why would she lie unless she didn’t want Sarah to get in trouble because the kids liked her more.

This is all JMO