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Has any coworker from Kohl's commented or been interviewed?
Not to the news, but if you search twitter and fb you can see some comments.
Has any coworker from Kohl's commented or been interviewed?
Any sense of tranquility didn't last. That summer, Oregon child welfare workers were alerted to potential abuse or neglect, West Linn police records show.
Alexandra Argyropoulos, a friend whom the Harts met on Facebook and later visited twice in the Bay Area, said she had witnessed what she felt to be emotional abuse and cruel punishment by the parents.
She said the authorities told her the children had been interviewed and were likely coached in their responses. The Oregon Department of Human Services could do nothing more. There was not enough evidence to make a case.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/04/devonte_hart_family_crash_dece.html
Is the Bay area here Seattle perhaps? Where Hannah wanted to be taken to? I don't know how to reference that in different areas.
Looking at that cinder block wall, how did that just get knocked down? Thats even more disturbing...
Any sense of tranquility didn't last. That summer, Oregon child welfare workers were alerted to potential abuse or neglect, West Linn police records show.
Alexandra Argyropoulos, a friend whom the Harts met on Facebook and later visited twice in the Bay Area, said she had witnessed what she felt to be emotional abuse and cruel punishment by the parents.
She said the authorities told her the children had been interviewed and were likely coached in their responses. The Oregon Department of Human Services could do nothing more. There was not enough evidence to make a case.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/04/devonte_hart_family_crash_dece.html
Is the Bay area here Seattle perhaps? Where Hannah wanted to be taken to? I don't know how to reference that in different areas.
Looking at that cinder block wall, how did that just get knocked down? Thats even more disturbing...
On March 23, 2018, Washington State Department of Social and Health Services opened a Child Protective Services investigation in which the Hart children are "identified as potential victims of alleged abuse or neglect." The Harts left home that day.
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Another posted March 15 spotlights poignant black-and-white portraits.
"Yesterday we celebrated the 9th anniversary of the official adoption day of Sierra, Jeremiah, and Devonte," Jennifer Hart wrote in the caption. "We celebrate all.the.things in this family: The day we met our kids. The day they came home. The official finalization/court date. Birthdays of cats, dogs, chickens. Seasons. Anniversaries. Tuesdays. Why? Why not? I get this one precious life to live."
Uh oh. Don't want this to grow legs, do we have a link? Because I mentioned I thought I saw it when I was looking up Nahko or Max Ribner....so it is just speculation from me, for now. Do you have the source handy?
It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
Cause she could be asked for help by the kids.It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
IMO, I don’t think the best interest of the kids was really thought of.It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
Seattle is on a bay, but I've never heard anyone call it the "Bay Area." That's San Francisco. Which is also where the Alexandra lady lives.
RSBM
Victim(s):
Confirmed Deceased:
Jennifer Jean Hart, 38 years of age, Woodland, Washington
Sarah Margaret Hart, 38 years of age, Woodland Washington
Markis Hart, 19 years of age, Woodland Washington
Jeremiah Hart, 14 years of age, Woodland Washington
Abigail Hart, 14 years of age, Woodland Washington
Missing Persons:
Devonte Hart, 15 years of age, Woodland Washington
Hannah Hart, 16 years of age, Woodland Washington
Sierra Hart, 15 years of age, Woodland Washington[/I]
more here https://us12.campaign-archive.com/?u=d58e8d47c32727a999b3dde01&id=9100903b2f
ETA... should have sat on my darn hands. I misread your age question. I wondered too if they are twins or just less than 12 mos apart. Or if more age updates will be forthcoming.
It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
They couldn't let anyone get too close and figure out what was really going on. Especially someone who might form a bond with one of their children - they needed to keep the children 100% reliant on them.
I wonder if someone who lives in Seattle once said something kind to Hannah, like if you ever need help I'm here for you, or you've got a friend in Seattle?
It really bothers me that the moms shut down the woman who offered to help with the girl's hair and to mentor them, as she too was an adoptee.
What would be wrong with allowing her to help you learn how to do their hair? if you decide later that she is too intrusive, then you can distance yourselves. But it seems it would be in the best interests of the kids if the moms were taught some things this woman had offered.
Had not seen this! If Sarah was trying to get away (maybe she wasn't, but if she was) a rollover crash could soften Sarah to take them back. The fear of losing everyone and Jen getting to tell her story to these people. Promises are made, a fresh start is planned. The kids get music lessons for a year and they are involved in festivals. Until someone speaks up in 2013. Now they do political rallies instead for awhile. Until that goes south. Sarah missed too many opportunities.
Did this crash even really happen?
Eta article....
"She shared the struggles of living there," said Brian Lee, who lives in Garrison, North Dakota.
Lee and his wife met Jennifer Hart and all six kids the day after Christmas in 2012 while driving through Montana. Jennifer and the children had just been in a roll-over accident in their GMC Yukon along an icy stretch near Missoula.
Lee learned the Harts, whom they met in a gas station, were heading to Oregon to see Sarah, who had recently moved here to look for work.
He and his wife rented a trailer and gave the family a ride to Spokane. Jennifer Hart spoke for nearly the entire three-hour drive, he said.
"She said they needed a fresh, new start," Lee told The Oregonian/OregonLive.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/04/devonte_hart_family_crash_dece.html
FWIW I just scanned through 207 pages of statewide accident reports for 2012 in Montana, focusing on Missoula County and the two neighboring counties along I94. The article states they met her the day after Christmas which would have been a Wednesday in 2012. Looking for rollover accidents that occurred on Tue or Wed in December I found 3 rollover accidents that occurred in Missoula county on Tuesdays in December involving icy road conditions. One of these may have been the accident in question. It is also possible to not have irreparable damage to a vehicle after a rollover depending on speed, and how the rollover occurred. Sometimes with ice and snow a vehicle does more sliding or wedging into snow than smashing if that makes sense.Excellent point! I was struggling with that too, when I read it.
Rollover crash in 2012 with a 2003 GMC Yukon- vehicle was 9 years old. When I think rollover, I think extensive damage and a vehicle that age being a total loss. Wish the reporter had asked the Lees a few more questions, like what were the Harts doing at a gas station and did the Lees see the damaged Yukon? It could be that the Yukon had been towed to a garage, that was being called a gas station, and that the Harts were retrieving whatever they could out of their vehicle.
We have pictures and video from Oregon of a 2003 GMC Yukon where the body looks good- no real dings or dents.
So did they manage to find another 2003 GMC Yukon or was Jen lying about an accident to the Lees?
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It would be in direct opposition of her agenda to make them rely only on her and Sarah. She needed full control.
Is there any evidence of close Black friends for Jen and Sarah? (I'm serious here)
IMO
IMO, Markis looks so sickly
His cheekbones protrude so much.