Identified! CA - Huntington Beach, WhtFem 40UFCA, 18-30, poss name Andrea, Apr'90 - Andrea Kuiper

[deca]

I came across Andrea Durham again- I know it was mentioned earlier and that age is a problem- but since height/weight/east coast location/possible CA connection/time is right I hesitate to cross her off the list, so to speak. Do we know who has been compared to Andrea Doe?

 

[deca]

I also thought Karen Zendosky would be possible- but I hear people like her for Caledonia JD? Not up on that case.

 

[zwiebel]

I think both have already been mentioned but I can't recall the exact conclusions about them without reading back through the thread. I don't think it was positive though. This Andrea almost certainly had no scars or ear piercings.

I came across a pic of Huntington beach from 1986, with two commentators reminiscing about the concerts at the building pictured. It occured to me maybe Andrea had travelled to see a band and had stayed on?

ETA: sorry, I can't link the pic on my tablet without getting a huge, empty box up here. Sorry!

The Golden Bear, Huntington Beach, 1986 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

[rosesfromangels]

This girl was heartbroken and despondent. I'm not sure if drugs amplified that, or if she had some bi-polar thing on top of it. At that age, a broken heart can be enough for a young lady to unravel. Maybe she had too many life experiences on her odometer and just couldn't do it anymore. Who knows, but I think it was heartbreak. Her condition and teeth tell us she wasn't homeless for long. She ran from something. She was very close to all the fast action of L.A. Could she have been part of that scene and was tired of it? "Modeling" or something like that?

 

[Roselvr]

I came across Andrea Durham again- I know it was mentioned earlier and that age is a problem- but since height/weight/east coast location/possible CA connection/time is right I hesitate to cross her off the list, so to speak. Do we know who has been compared to Andrea Doe?

This is what I have so far from picking through the post
The following missing have been ruled out as Andrea Doe



Alicia Bernice Markovich

Amy Billig

Andrea Durham



Andrea Jean Coyle

Andrea Joy Hall

Aundria Michelle Bowman (Finger print rule out)

Dean Marie Pyle Peters

Doreen Jane Vincent

Ilene Beth Misheloff

Jennifer Lynn Pandos

Jonelle Renee Matthews

Maria Gabriela Madina - ruled out per Allison O'Neal, Supervising Deputy Coroner, OCSD

Martha Wes Dunn

Meredith Ann Medina

Paulette Susan Jaster

Vicki Sundgaard

Wendy Jamie Abrams-Nishikai

 

[zwiebel]

Thanks so much for the list and hard work Roselvr!

 

[Roselvr]

I'll post the final version when I'm done. Didn't realize it didn't paste in right

 

[Roselvr]

thanks to MontanaMan for all his sharing. the scene you were in sounds like a truly interesting moment in time. i have about 4,000 questions i want to ask about the bat cave scene, but i will stay on topic for andrea/our UID's sake

i think since we have a lead it would be helpful to make a bulleted list of what we know about big mouth andrea. even though MontanaMan isnt there anymore doesnt mean we cant put out some posts on seattle message boards to find potential neighbors, an employer (didnt he say she might have been a caretaker for someone in a suburban neighborhood? that persons kids may have helped hire or pay her and could know more about who she is)

Bumping this post to let everyone know I'm working on the post. I'm updating the girls mentioned since the post started; I'm also grabbing their NamUs links. For some reason FB won't let me save it with their links; it can only be a name rule out. What I think I'm going to do is upload their photos to her FB page an add them as a timeline event history like I did on Aundria Bowman's FB page.

Also; I have all of MontanaMan's posts & will work on organizing them the next chance I get

I am not a linguist and I have heard the relatively simple name Andrea pronounced in different ways. most of the time it is pronounced Ann-Dree-Ah. I have heard some give it a different inflection like On-Dray-Ah.

my point in my last post was that the first syllable of Awn-Dray-Uh has a distinct inflection that some would call out here an "outerborough" accent, meaning removed from the monied circles of Manhattan where those wealthy enough send their kids to very expensive private schools where they would never speak this way. by monied circles I mean the what people nowadays would call the one percenters and these are the upper echelons of the 1%, not just someone who is comfortable financially.

here is a demo of the outerborough accent (she calls it a Brooklyn Italian accent) and the audio is not the best. this girl overdoes it but nonetheless she explains it in a very street savvy way.

BROOKLYN ACCENT - YouTube

I'd be curious to know how much like this gal Big Mouth Andrea sounded.

Do we know if MontanaMan watched the Brooklyn accent you tube video?

I feel mean saying this, but I think you are narrowing this down a bit too much. I have a cousin named Andrea who pronounces her name like that, but she is from Pennsylvania and Roman Catholic. Her father is German and her mother is [I'm not 100% sure] either Slovak, Hungarian, or Ukrainian. Coincidentally, she is the only person who I knew for a really long time named Andrea and, embarrassingly, I didn't realize that other people pronounced it differently until I was in high school.

Want to say that it would not surprise me if she was Hungarian or an Italian / Hungarian mix.

 

[Roselvr]

Alicia Bernice Markovich http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/51dfpa.html

Amy Billig http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/18dffl.html
http://www.freewebs.com/findamybillig/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Amy-Billig/205088089544267

Andria Ann Bailey https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5814/232

Andrea Darlene Allen https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17501/12/

Andrea Durham http://doenetwork.org/cases/132dffl.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/durham_andrea.html

Andrea Jean Coyle http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/coyle_andrea.html

Andrea Joy Hall http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hall_andrea.html

Aundria Michelle Bowman (Finger print rule out) http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/184dfmi.html

Christina Hermert http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1062dfdeu.html

Christina Lee White https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2785/0/

Christina Monteiro https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7827/72

Christine Miller - located

Cynthia Lorraine Perry https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8281/4/
she had a heart tattoo on her left arm

Dean Marie Pyle Peters http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/8dfmi.html
http://missingme.2007.angelfire.com/peters_1dfmi.html

Doreen Jane Vincent http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/87dfct.html

Hazel Klug https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1100/0/

Ilene Beth Misheloff http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/290dfca.html

Jackie Boyer* http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3016dfca.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boyer_jackie.html

Jennifer Lynn Pandos http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/376dfva.html

Jonelle Renee Matthews http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/198dfco.html

Kelly Morrissey https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6427/0/

Launa Renee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/merritt_launa.html

Maria Gabriela Madina http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/medina_maria.html

Martha Wes Dunn http://doenetwork.org/cases/286dftx.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dunn_martha.html

Meredith Ann Medina http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/medina_meredith.html

Patricia Schmidt https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/974/0/

Paulette Susan Jaster http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/108dfmi.html

Shannon Potter https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1868/8

Susan Anne Swedell https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/335/0/

Stefanie Stroh https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/15153/0/

Theresa M. Fischbach https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13437/0/
tattoo of a cross between thumb and index finger

Vicki Sundgaard https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12044/0/

Wendy Jamie Abrams-Nishikai http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/abrams-nishikai_wendy.html

 

[webrocket]

to answer your question about MontanaMan and the Brooklyn accent video, I do not know if he ever saw it. he stated that Big Mouth Andrea's accent was that of Seattle.

I don't know how many people from Brooklyn MontanaMan might have encountered in life, but there is no confusing the two accents so I do not think Big Mouth Andrea sounded like she was from the NYC metro area.

I would add that no one stated (or no one was asked) whether the UID "Andrea" had any recognizable accent so we are left to speculate what regional American accent she might have had.

 

[Roselvr]

to answer your question about MontanaMan and the Brooklyn accent video, I do not know if he ever saw it. he stated that Big Mouth Andrea's accent was that of Seattle.

I don't know how many people from Brooklyn MontanaMan might have encountered in life, but there is no confusing the two accents so I do not think Big Mouth Andrea sounded like she was from the NYC metro area.

I wonder if we can find a video of Seattle accent. I'm curious how it would differ from Brooklyn or other parts of Jersey.

I would add that no one stated (or no one was asked) whether the UID "Andrea" had any recognizable accent so we are left to speculate what regional American accent she might have had.

I started a doc for LE questions & added it to the list

Attached photo is a pic of some of my daughters black stones. I don't see the one I'm looking for that's flatter

 

[scrambledeggs]

Hi all

I've been lurking for a while, getting a feel for the forum before posting. This UID was one of the first that really grabbed me - it's all so sad (not just 'Andrea' but all UIDs).

I have quite a few I'd like to put forward to see what others think (I can only see one's already been mentioned as per Roselvr's list - Laura Renee). Some are a bit out there but some really make me think 'could be'?

I have a couple of questions though before posting them as I don't want to waste anyone's time:

1) From what I can gather if a missing person's DNA is in CODIS it's an automatic ruleout correct? What about where it says 'DNA available' (Doe Network) or 'Sample submitted - tests complete' (NAMUS) - does this mean a ruleout as well?

2) If a missing person has fingerprints on file (eg - from prior military service - would that be an automatic rule out as well)

Thanks in advance - hoping this one can get solved soon!

 

[CarlK90245]

Hi scrambledeggs, and welcome to Websleuths:

If a missing person's DNA is in CODIS and the UID's DNA is in CODIS, it is probably a rule-out if a hit is not generated. However, there are exceptions:

(1) If the UID has only a nuclear DNA (nucDNA) profile, and the missing person has a nucDNA profile consisting of the nucDNA from only one family member.

(2) If the UID has only a nuclear DNA profile, and the missing person has only a mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) profile.

(3) If the UID has only a mtDNA profile, and the familial connections of the contributors of familial mtDNA are not along the maternal line. For example, the MP and the family member can be either male or female, but they must be related to each other by way of a continuous chain of female ancestors (e.g., mother, maternal grandmother, maternal aunt, etc.)​

If a missing person has fingerprints on file in NamUs or in the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, it would likely generate a hit.

 

[joeytes]

What Carl says is correct.

I am working with a detective on another case. Something like this is happening.

Recently a UID's nucDNA was entered into CODIS. When it is entered it is queried against existing DNA of missing persons. If there is a match it is called a cold hit. Case solved.

But in this case only the mother entered DNA, since the father (who passed away years ago) did not submit DNA, there is an incomplete nuclear DNA profile.

So if the UID's nucDNA (which contains DNA of the mother and father)was compared with the DNA of the MP (which was submitted by the mother) it would not result in a hit. Comparing complete nucDNA with incomplete nucDNA will not result in a match.

It this case a mtDNA match is needed.

 

[scrambledeggs]

Thanks for the clarification. So if it's listed on the Doe Network as 'sample available' does that mean it's not actually in CODIS yet?

 

[webrocket]

I wonder if we can find a video of Seattle accent. I'm curious how it would differ from Brooklyn or other parts of Jersey.

I can't describe a Seattle accent. while not a great example to compare here, Jeff Smith aka The Frugal Gourmet, was a native of the Seattle area. I say not a great example as he was an older man and Andrea was a young woman, but this is what Froogie sounded like:

The Frugal Gourmet with firefighters - YouTube

as I previously stated, one cannot confuse a native of Seattle with a native of Brooklyn.

 

[scrambledeggs]

OK, here's my list and I'm sorry it's so long:

Margaret Jane Chauncy: http://doenetwork.org/cases/994dftx.html

It mentions that her four upper front teeth are capped. I think this is the same four teeth on 'Andrea' that had work?

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Jinisina Stonehouse: http://doenetwork.org/cases/1268dfon.html

Also mentions four teeth treated. From Canada though.

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Ellen Linda Akers: http://doenetwork.org/cases/2463dffl.html

Mentions extensive dental work and that first photo is spookily alike (at least to me)

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Stacey Kelekoma: http://doenetwork.org/cases/1609dfhi.html

Photo isn't too clear but I can see a resemblance. Also: "In 1986, a steward with an airline claimed he had seen her in California"

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Tamara Dawn Porrin: http://doenetwork.org/cases/2949dfpa.html

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Deborah A. McCall: http://doenetwork.org/cases/2975dfil.html

I wonder if the 'A' stands for Andrea?

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Marjorie Alice Knox: http://doenetwork.org/cases/2898dftx.html

I think she looks quite similar.

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Mary Ann Hogland: http://doenetwork.org/cases/1247dfca.html

Has a history of being a runaway and was 'large busted' even at a young age.

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And this is my long shot but I REALLY did a double take at the second picture:

Frances Morales: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/340dfnj.html

I know the dates don't really match up (was last seen AFTER Andrea died) however she wasn't reported missing until two years later so the dates might not be exact. Then there's the fact she's from the other side of the country, and her fingerprints are on file. I just really can't look past that second photo...

 

[webrocket]

thanks for the list scrambled, but I don't see any of them as a match for any one of a number of reasons. two were Asian or partial Asian/Pacific Islander. Hoagland's hair is too light. I don't see the resemblance with McCall (maybe others do). Akers had green eyes. Stonehouse had blonde hair.

As for Morales and Porrin where they were from there's not the kind of money people would have to get expensive dentistry. Bridgton NJ is not wealthy and DuBois, PA is in the middle of nowhere off of Route 80.

 

[ebonydarkness]

http://accent.gmu.edu/searchsaa.php?function=detail&speakerid=572

Here is an audio file of a Seattle accent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest_English#Phonology

And here are some features of a Pacific Northwest accent.

 

[EmmaliLucia]

I wonder if we can find a video of Seattle accent. I'm curious how it would differ from Brooklyn or other parts of Jersey.

Basically the west coast all have the same accent.

The only difference is the speed, the farther north you go the slower people talk. Oregonians and Washingtoners hold out syllables for emphasis whereas a lot of Californians add volume instead.