CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[missy1974]

RIGHT. Joey went from paying Chase to do the iron work to paying Metro to do it. As I stated.

Well, then, at least we can agree that there was no need to get a new welder to replace Chase, they already had and things had changed. The reason for that is up for interpretation though IMO

 

[Texas Red]

I don't think that's the kind of poker room we are talking about... @Texas Red ?

either way... I did say "limited". I didn't say non-existent. I still don't even know when he was first asked where he was on the 4th.

That's pretty much what the poker rooms at the Southern California Indian Casinos look like. The one here with the photo looks like it's set up for a tournament, ie, more tables crammed together in order to accommodate the influx of tournament players.

 

[missy1974]

That's pretty much what the poker rooms at the Southern California Indian Casinos look like. The one here with the photo looks like it's set up for a tournament, ie, more tables crammed together in order to accommodate the influx of tournament players.

Thanks!

Our local casino's are tiny compared to some of them down there LOL And to think so many so close together! I could never live there! I was thinking of small room, large table type rooms LOL

 

[Texas Red]

This is OT. I remember back in the day when the Indians opened a casino in CT. It was big. First of it's kind. Not Jersey . Preppy CT. The Mashantucket Pequot tribe. Will never forget Donald Trump saying they don't look like Indians to me. Freaking hilarious. They sold cartons of cigarettes out of backs of cars. Reservation prices! Cheap!

Yes, Foxwoods it was the largest casino in the world and still may be. It all started as a cigarette stand. The only surprising thing is Trump didn't put on a headband and claim he was an Indian, after all there was a buck to be made.

 

[Bernina]

Which search warrant mentions Merritt’s parenting though? Is it in a warrant or in a probable cause document? What, specifically, was the search warrant for, so I can find it without having to reread every page?

This is the ONLY thing I found in that particular search warrant, which isn't worth a plug nickle and there's also the search warrant number that you can find in the upper right corner of the warrant' headers. JMarsh didn't respond when I posted it a few days ago when I asked her the same question.

 

[Texas Red]

I have you been watching/listening to all the testimony?

No, I've missed a lot, I get distracted with other stuff and can't seem to catch up.

 

[katydid23]

You don't think they would have record of him looking at his bank account? Internet history?

Could you do banking on your phone in 2010? I really don't know, I checked UnionBank's 2010 archived site, no indication of "mobile banking" at the time.

And if he called the bank, even for clarification, or to see which cheque went through, why no note of that? If anyone looked into his account, the banking system would note that. I will say IMO But the fraud lady said just making a call wouldn't, but entering the various banking systems may. I also recall a poster awhile back that commented she worked at a bank and yes, they log who looks at who's account and when (which makes sense in a bank).

ETA: I would also expect Joey to check the QB's account that he normally wrote cheques out of, he didn't.

I don't think they make a note if you call and ask your checking balance. And then record that in a log which can be checked 8 years later? I doubt that.

ETA; He probably stopped at an ATM and checked his account

 

[fridaybaker]

How do you think he learned about the discrepancy? This is what I'm wondering. He was not in the habit of calling the bank according to those that have looked at his records. I'm not sure if telephone banking could be done by calling the branch, usually a 1-800 for that, and I am unaware of what was and wasn't available in the US in 2010.

IF he had logged into his banking, wouldn't that show up on his computer? Could it even be done on a phone back in 2010?

I think if he did look at his bank account, balance, or whatever, it would be important to show. We have heard nothing like this though.

Missy, do we know that it didn't show up on his computer? Also, you make a good point, but I'm not sure the prosecution would necessarily think of showing that history. The QB accounts, from what I can remember, weren't linked to the bank. I would have to say, he'd had to have gone online and looked it up. Unless, maybe he received a bank statement in the mail?

I do think that the most likely way he would have accessed his banking information, from what we know about the McStays, would have been online. I do think you could have done it on a phone back in 2010, although I'm sure it would have been more cumbersome than the computer. I'd bet computer, and if there's no evidence of it on that, I'd like to know when bank statements were mailed out.

And: I apologize in advance if none of this makes sense. So tired here, but appreciative for all the amazing posts!

 

[Texas Red]

Thanks!

Our local casino's are tiny compared to some of them down there LOL And to think so many so close together! I could never live there! I was thinking of small room, large table type rooms LOL

I know what you're referring to. There's a good example of one in the film 'Reindeer Games' located in Prince George BC.

 

[missy1974]

Which search warrant mentions Merritt’s parenting though? Is it in a warrant or in a probable cause document? What, specifically, was the search warrant for, so I can find it without having to reread every page?

I think it's the mention of that Merritt still speaks to Jarvis every day and often visits her with the children. I don't think it mentions his parenting skills directly, but when others are saying he was abusive and neglecting his children and not looking after them because he goes to the casino, this does seem to indicate that may not be the case and he spoke to and saw them often IMO

 

[katydid23]

Does anyone really think that if Joey discovered theft, even if he liked the guy, that he wouldn't immediately change his passwords? He's going to risk even more money being taken?

Looking at the timeline, he might not have had the chance before things got ugly.

 

[katydid23]

I think it's the mention of that Merritt still speaks to Jarvis every day and often visits her with the children. I don't think it mentions his parenting skills directly, but when others are saying he was abusive and neglecting his children and not looking after them because he goes to the casino, this does seem to indicate that may not be the case and he spoke to and saw them often IMO

If he had a criminal history, and then he went ahead a stole 32, ooo bucks worth of tools, then he was not a good parent, in my opinion. He had to know he would get jail time.

And he was making good money at that time. He didn't need to steal those tools. I'd say that was a form of abuse towards his family, in my opinion.

The same with staying in a casino for 12 to 14 hours, and cashing out hundreds and hundreds of cash from the casino ATM. He had very young children. That time and energy and money could have been spent on his family instead. And he had tax liens and multiple lawsuits for bad business practices, bordering upon fraud. And yet a conservative estimate puts his gambling losses at at least 30k in one year we looked at.

Chase was an older father. He should have been money aside for his retirement and his family's future. And it is obvious he wasn't doing so because of the rocky aftermath. His kids ended up living in a busted down RV in the desert.

There is no way for me to see him as a 'good father' given what I have read about him. JMO

 

[citygirl]

Does anyone really think that if Joey discovered theft, even if he liked the guy, that he wouldn't immediately change his passwords? He's going to risk even more money being taken?

That morning? The day he was murdered? I'd say he ran out of time.

 

[missy1974]

No, I've missed a lot, I get distracted with other stuff and can't seem to catch up.

Ok... if I can make a suggestion, and not just to you, but to anyone that thinks they "know" what those pings mean and what it meant when his phone was not showing tower information, please go and listen to Boles testimony. Listen to both direct and cross, but pay attention to the cross. McGee spent approximately 15 minutes going through calls that went to VM on Merritt's phone that DID NOT show tower information. Some had calls right before or after, so no indication that his phone was off when he got those VM's. I always thought the VM calls would be hard to explain and it did look like his phone was off... but I no longer believe that. This pretty much sums up the VM's to me...

Part 2 Day 24 9:50ish

All of those went to vm's … don't show cell tower information. What does that indicate to you based on your training? As I stated on direct, based on my training, that the phone could be off the network, off, on airplane mode, however, based on cross examination, I would like to confer with AT&T to give a more accurate answer.


I also now have a question about the 8:28 call since learning that Jarvis has said and has maintained all these years that she saw Joey call that night at 8:28 (based on what McGee said in court the other day) I went back today to some other testimony...

@ 50:30 of Hanke's testimony, McGee shows that there are 2 calls on Merritt's records, but only shows once on McStay's that same day. Just another indication that these records are not all that reliable.

 

[geevee]

But.... everyone is speculating that he went there to fire him because of the fraud.... so are you saying you don't think he was going to fire him? Just spank him and give him a chance?

I also think that because of the loose key in Joey's pocket that bears a striking resemblance to another on a key ring, and both appear to be padlock keys like the kind found on storage facilities.

 

[katydid23]

How do you think he checked his bank? I have asked this many times, just today. No one has an answer, or maybe it's possible I missed it?

Why do you think he called the bank if it wasn't to report it?

If he did call to report it, why do you think there is no note on the account?

Maybe he stopped at an ATM, checked his balance and it seemed off. He may have checked recent checks taken out of his account on the ATM as well.
So he called his bank and asked about that check on the way to lunch?

I don't think he would make a fraud report before asking Chase about it.

 

[missy1974]

I don't think they make a note if you call and ask your checking balance. And then record that in a log which can be checked 8 years later? I doubt that.

So you think that a bank employee can look at anyone's records and it wouldn't be recorded somehow?

That's a scary thought

 

[missy1974]

Missy, do we know that it didn't show up on his computer? Also, you make a good point, but I'm not sure the prosecution would necessarily think of showing that history. The QB accounts, from what I can remember, weren't linked to the bank. I would have to say, he'd had to have gone online and looked it up. Unless, maybe he received a bank statement in the mail?

I do think that the most likely way he would have accessed his banking information, from what we know about the McStays, would have been online. I do think you could have done it on a phone back in 2010, although I'm sure it would have been more cumbersome than the computer. I'd bet computer, and if there's no evidence of it on that, I'd like to know when bank statements were mailed out.

And: I apologize in advance if none of this makes sense. So tired here, but appreciative for all the amazing posts!

It's one of those things I have had in the back of mind and the prosecution has not shown yet. I have been waiting for it lol They have shown some computer records, but none that show he logged into his bank. His QB's was not linked to his bank account. He was still at home at the time he made the first call the bank, I would agree and IMO it would be way easier to check on a computer than a phone (if he could have at the time). A bank statement would not be there on the 4th showing a cheque cashed on the 2nd IMO

But IF he found out that his balance seemed "off"... he did NOT cheque the QB's account that he writes cheques out of. He did NOT check the Contact account. He logged into the Custom account.

No problem about being tired... and I completely understood your post Thanks for at least answering hahaha I can't find the answer to this... and it doesn't make sense to me. JMO

 

[katydid23]

So you think that a bank employee can look at anyone's records and it wouldn't be recorded somehow?

That's a scary thought

I didnt say they can look at anyone's records.

If you call the bank, give them your info, and ask what your balance in the checking account is, and you tell them they have your permission, they can check it for you. I don't think it is kept in permanent records that can be verified 8 years later. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[citygirl]

This is OT. I remember back in the day when the Indians opened a casino in CT. It was big. First of it's kind. Not Jersey . Preppy CT. The Mashantucket Pequot tribe. Will never forget Donald Trump saying they don't look like Indians to me. Freaking hilarious. They sold cartons of cigarettes out of backs of cars. Reservation prices! Cheap!

It was so damn funny and got even funnier when the Mashantucket Pequots set up a high speed ferry from Atlantic City to CT. Absolute scream. I don't know how it works today , if it even still exists. This was back in the 80's?