Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

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Thanks for the info, @getthefax.
You’re welcome! I’m so bummed. I was really hoping I could find a way to use the orbiting satellites in closer-to-real-time, and that we would all have some areas we could be searching for other missing folks.

Until the resolutions are higher, or the sats use additional wavelengths to construct images, looks like high-res drones are the current gold standard (which is a drag because satellites allow us to see much larger areas).

Ah well. It was worth a shot. In a few years it will be possible…
 
Another "coincidence" in this case IMO is where they found her vehicle. People have understandably gone to great lengths to try to explain how Kiely may have been heavily intoxicated, taken (multiple?) wrong turns, navigated "road(s)" that are actually ATV trails that may even be worse than some of the surrounding terrain, etc. That's not unexpected and I'm not insisting that scenario is impossible, but perhaps consider the scenario that someone else put that vehicle in the water:

Let's suppose Kiely was already dead or seriously incapacitated and considered close to death before her car went into the water. Let's further suppose that someone (or a couple/few people) were either directly responsible for her death/incapacitation or believed they had enough potential criminal liability for her death (or death in the near future) that they decided the best solution was to place Kiely in her vehicle (or she was already in the vehicle) and dispose of the vehicle.

Consider the general areas that we believe Kiely may have parked, the location of the party, the location of the other party in the area. It also helps to look at a larger map of the whole lake and/or the areas surrounding the areas described in my previous sentence.

What would be the most important qualities of a spot to dispose of the vehicle? I would suppose at least some of those would be:

1. Time: One would want to dispose of the vehicle quickly. The more quickly it's in the water, the less likely someone sees the vehicle, the less likely someone sees the people involved with the vehicle and/or the people in an unusual area, and the less time one has to fill with some sort of fake alibi.

2. Hiding the Disposal: One would want to pick a location and route to that location that minimized visual identification of the vehicle (in possession of that person/those people or in a conspicuous location) whether by individuals at the party or another party in that area, or from residents/campers in the surrounding area (e.g., homes along the lake), or from camera (whether phone cameras or surveillance cameras).

3. Distance: Distance may not be that important in and of itself, but it affects #1 (Time) and #2 (Hiding the Disposal).

4. Likelihood of Quick/Eventual Discovery: Obviously if the vehicle is never discovered, then the perpetrators would get away with their crime(s). If it is discovered, the longer it takes to do so, the more evidence may be deteriorated and/or contaminated.

5. Ease of Disposal: If the vehicle was driven into the water, this wouldn't be much of a factor at many sites, but that would seem to also be complicated by the necessity of the driver escaping the vehicle after driving it into the water. If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.

So given such parameters, what would be an ideal disposal site?

A. Anything on land is much more likely to be discovered and there don't seem to be any suitable areas in that immediate vicinity, so that would also bring time into play as well.

B. Leaving the campground, perhaps to go to another lake in the region, is going to take much more time, risk visual identification of the vehicle, and risk the chance of the vehicle being seen on a camera (whether on the way to the highway, on the highway(s), from businesses/residences along the route, etc.).

C. Other than the boat launch/ramp and the area that the vehicle was actually found, the rest of the lake would require a much longer and a very convoluted route and/or extensive driving along the shore that would leave tons of tracks. So that would take more time, more distance, and possibly even more evidence (both tons of tracks and much more possibility of being seen by persons and/or cameras) for most likely marginal benefits at most.

So that would seem to limit the best options to the area of the boat launch, wrapping around to the western shores of the southern/southeastern arm of the reservoir where the vehicle was found. Using the boat launch has one large obvious advantage, a paved road (for at least most of the way?) that wouldn't leave nearly as many/good of tracks, and would allow a straighter, faster push/drive of the vehicle into the water. That one large advantage appears to be offset by various substantial disadvantages: It would require driving past a couple of campgrounds and a parking lot (presumably for at least one of those campgrounds), once to shore it seems visible by the entirety of the areas surrounding the main lake, and it's an area of much, much higher future activity such as boating, diving, swimming, fishing, etc. (risking discovery of the vehicle or some other piece of evidence from the vehicle, etc.).

So the best area seems to be on the western shore of the S/SE arm of the lake. The northern half of that shoreline has one or both campgrounds in close proximity and many trees to contend with after any nearby "road" ends (risking hitting tree while driving/pushing vehicle and preventing a lengthier run-up to the reservoir). On the southern half of that shoreline, one would expect the deepest part to be right around where her vehicle was found. Just another strange coincidence in a very strange case.
 
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Another "coincidence" in this case IMO is where they found her vehicle. People have understandably gone to great lengths to try to explain how Kiely may have been heavily intoxicated, taken (multiple?) wrong turns, navigated "road(s)" that are actually ATV trails that may even be worse than some of the surrounding terrain, etc. That's not unexpected and I'm not insisting that scenario is impossible, but perhaps consider the scenario that someone else put that vehicle in the water:

Let's suppose Kiely was already dead or seriously incapacitated and considered close to death before her car went into the water. Let's further suppose that someone (or a couple/few people) were either directly responsible for her death/incapacitation or believed they had enough potential criminal liability for her death (or death in the near future) that they decided the best solution was to place Kiely in her vehicle (or she was already in the vehicle) and dispose of the vehicle.

Consider the general areas that we believe Kiely may have parked, the location of the party, the location of the other party in the area. It also helps to look at a larger map of the whole lake and/or the areas surrounding the areas described in my previous sentence.

What would be the most important qualities of a spot to dispose of the vehicle? I would suppose at least some of those would be:

1. Time: One would want to dispose of the vehicle quickly. The more quickly it's in the water, the less likely someone sees the vehicle, the less likely someone sees the people involved with the vehicle and/or the people in an unusual area, and the less time one has to fill with some sort of fake alibi.

2. Hiding the Disposal: One would want to pick a location and route to that location that minimized visual identification of the vehicle (in possession of that person/those people or in a conspicuous location) whether by individuals at the party or another party in that area, or from residents/campers in the surrounding area (e.g., homes along the lake), or from camera (whether phone cameras or surveillance cameras).

3. Distance: Distance may not be that important in and of itself, but it affects #1 (Time) and #2 (Hiding the Disposal).

4. Likelihood of Quick/Eventual Discovery: Obviously if the vehicle is never discovered, then the perpetrators would get away with their crime(s). If it is discovered, the longer it takes to do so, the more evidence may be deteriorated and/or contaminated.

5. Ease of Disposal: If the vehicle was driven into the water, this wouldn't be much of a factor at many sites, but that would seem to also be complicated by the necessity of the driver escaping the vehicle after driving it into the water. If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.

So given such parameters, what would be an ideal disposal site?

A. Anything on land is much more likely to be discovered and there don't seem to be any suitable areas in that immediate vicinity, so that would also bring time into play as well.

B. Leaving the campground, perhaps to go to another lake in the region, is going to take much more time, risk visual identification of the vehicle, and risk the chance of the vehicle being seen on a camera (whether on the way to the highway, on the highway(s), from businesses/residences along the route, etc.).

C. Other than the boat launch/ramp and the area that the vehicle was actually found, the rest of the lake would require a much longer and a very convoluted route and/or extensive driving along the shore that would leave tons of tracks. So that would take more time, more distance, and possibly even more evidence (both tons of tracks and much more possibility of being seen by persons and/or cameras) for most likely marginal benefits at most.

So that would seem to limit the best options to the area of the boat launch, wrapping around to the western shores of the southern/southeastern arm of the reservoir where the vehicle was found. Using the boat launch has one large obvious advantage, a paved road (for at least most of the way?) that wouldn't leave nearly as many/good of tracks, and would allow a straighter, faster push/drive of the vehicle into the water. That one large advantage appears to be offset by various substantial disadvantages: It would require driving past a couple of campgrounds and a parking lot (presumably for at least one of those campgrounds), once to shore it seems visible by the entirety of the areas surrounding the main lake, and it's an area of much, much higher future activity such as boating, diving, swimming, fishing, etc. (risking discovery of the vehicle or some other piece of evidence from the vehicle, etc.).

So the best area seems to be on the western shore of the S/SE arm of the lake. The northern half of that shoreline has one or both campgrounds in close proximity and many trees to contend with after any nearby "road" ends (risking hitting tree while driving/pushing vehicle and preventing a lengthier run-up to the reservoir). On the southern half of that shoreline, one would expect the deepest part to be right around where her vehicle was found. Just another strange coincidence in a very strange case.
This.
 
Has this been asked? How is it that no one saw her drive into the water if she drove along the beach and drove her car into the lake? It seems unlikely she was last person to leave. I've missed a lot here as when I am able to come back here to read there are 30 more pages and just can't keep up with that.
 
Has this been asked? How is it that no one saw her drive into the water if she drove along the beach and drove her car into the lake? It seems unlikely she was last person to leave. I've missed a lot here as when I am able to come back here to read there are 30 more pages and just can't keep up with that.
The main development I've seen recently in this forum is Truckeeite driving the "roads" (I've heard them described as ATV trails) to/near the area in which the vehicle was discovered, and finding them to be nearly impassable with extremely uneven roads full of huge bumps/potholes. This has been similarly explored and reported by others as well outside of this forum. This would seem to make it much less likely that Kiely could have: Driven those "roads" without realizing she was not going the correct route, driven those roads at even moderate speed without risking significant damage to her vehicle, fallen asleep while driving those roads, or gotten sufficient momentum before hitting the water to eventually launch her vehicle 55+ feet (possibly 75-80 feet, since water was higher then) horizontally (in totality, including floating, drifting, sinking, settling, and later movement).

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So Kiely's phone goes dead 12:33, presumably when it enters the water with her, at the same time witnesses see a trail of cars leaving the party. How did Kiely go the wrong way when there were so many cars leaving in a trail out. Why didn't she just follow them, it is the exact same time?
Her phone could have died at that time & by the time she got to her car in the dark & plugged it in, potentially didn't turn it back on so it would charge faster, it could have been a while. If my phone goes dead I tend to do that until it gets to a higher percentage very often, especially when charging in a car. If this was the case, it probably would have taken her longer to find her car, and just maybe might have disoriented her further in her likely inebriated state. IF there was foul play, her phone could have been off and taken place any time after 12:30 while she was potentially sitting in her car alone sobering up and waiting for her phone to charge a bit. Just some more potential scenarios.
 
Another "coincidence" in this case IMO is where they found her vehicle. People have understandably gone to great lengths to try to explain how Kiely may have been heavily intoxicated, taken (multiple?) wrong turns, navigated "road(s)" that are actually ATV trails that may even be worse than some of the surrounding terrain, etc. That's not unexpected and I'm not insisting that scenario is impossible, but perhaps consider the scenario that someone else put that vehicle in the water:

Let's suppose Kiely was already dead or seriously incapacitated and considered close to death before her car went into the water. Let's further suppose that someone (or a couple/few people) were either directly responsible for her death/incapacitation or believed they had enough potential criminal liability for her death (or death in the near future) that they decided the best solution was to place Kiely in her vehicle (or she was already in the vehicle) and dispose of the vehicle.

Consider the general areas that we believe Kiely may have parked, the location of the party, the location of the other party in the area. It also helps to look at a larger map of the whole lake and/or the areas surrounding the areas described in my previous sentence.

What would be the most important qualities of a spot to dispose of the vehicle? I would suppose at least some of those would be:

1. Time: One would want to dispose of the vehicle quickly. The more quickly it's in the water, the less likely someone sees the vehicle, the less likely someone sees the people involved with the vehicle and/or the people in an unusual area, and the less time one has to fill with some sort of fake alibi.

2. Hiding the Disposal: One would want to pick a location and route to that location that minimized visual identification of the vehicle (in possession of that person/those people or in a conspicuous location) whether by individuals at the party or another party in that area, or from residents/campers in the surrounding area (e.g., homes along the lake), or from camera (whether phone cameras or surveillance cameras).

3. Distance: Distance may not be that important in and of itself, but it affects #1 (Time) and #2 (Hiding the Disposal).

4. Likelihood of Quick/Eventual Discovery: Obviously if the vehicle is never discovered, then the perpetrators would get away with their crime(s). If it is discovered, the longer it takes to do so, the more evidence may be deteriorated and/or contaminated.

5. Ease of Disposal: If the vehicle was driven into the water, this wouldn't be much of a factor at many sites, but that would seem to also be complicated by the necessity of the driver escaping the vehicle after driving it into the water. If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.

So given such parameters, what would be an ideal disposal site?

A. Anything on land is much more likely to be discovered and there don't seem to be any suitable areas in that immediate vicinity, so that would also bring time into play as well.

B. Leaving the campground, perhaps to go to another lake in the region, is going to take much more time, risk visual identification of the vehicle, and risk the chance of the vehicle being seen on a camera (whether on the way to the highway, on the highway(s), from businesses/residences along the route, etc.).

C. Other than the boat launch/ramp and the area that the vehicle was actually found, the rest of the lake would require a much longer and a very convoluted route and/or extensive driving along the shore that would leave tons of tracks. So that would take more time, more distance, and possibly even more evidence (both tons of tracks and much more possibility of being seen by persons and/or cameras) for most likely marginal benefits at most.

So that would seem to limit the best options to the area of the boat launch, wrapping around to the western shores of the southern/southeastern arm of the reservoir where the vehicle was found. Using the boat launch has one large obvious advantage, a paved road (for at least most of the way?) that wouldn't leave nearly as many/good of tracks, and would allow a straighter, faster push/drive of the vehicle into the water. That one large advantage appears to be offset by various substantial disadvantages: It would require driving past a couple of campgrounds and a parking lot (presumably for at least one of those campgrounds), once to shore it seems visible by the entirety of the areas surrounding the main lake, and it's an area of much, much higher future activity such as boating, diving, swimming, fishing, etc. (risking discovery of the vehicle or some other piece of evidence from the vehicle, etc.).

So the best area seems to be on the western shore of the S/SE arm of the lake. The northern half of that shoreline has one or both campgrounds in close proximity and many trees to contend with after any nearby "road" ends (risking hitting tree while driving/pushing vehicle and preventing a lengthier run-up to the reservoir). On the southern half of that shoreline, one would expect the deepest part to be right around where her vehicle was found. Just another strange coincidence in a very strange case.
“If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.” Snipped by me.

Thanks for this post—a lot to think about here. I was wondering the same thing about the possibility of her car rolling into the water instead of being driven in. Does anyone have a sense of the slope in that beach area and if it’s possible?

A question about the last ping— would connecting to the maps app cause the phone to ping?
 
You’re welcome! I’m so bummed. I was really hoping I could find a way to use the orbiting satellites in closer-to-real-time, and that we would all have some areas we could be searching for other missing folks.

Until the resolutions are higher, or the sats use additional wavelengths to construct images, looks like high-res drones are the current gold standard (which is a drag because satellites allow us to see much larger areas).

Ah well. It was worth a shot. In a few years it will be possible…

Thanks so much for your efforts, it was definitely worth trying!
 
When I went down today, I didn't see any police tape. There were very few cars around that area, probably because it's so treacherous getting in there. I saw some imprints that looked like where they pulled her car out, a gouge in the beach from the machinery. There are a few flowers right by the water and a heart made of rocks in a small memorial.

Here is a photo of the memorial.
Was this just after the stone heart was done? Only two flowers? Or is there another memorial in Truckee for Kiely? I would expect dozens of flowers, little notes, teddy bears....but then again....it's a hard drive down there.
 
Was this just after the stone heart was done? Only two flowers? Or is there another memorial in Truckee for Kiely? I would expect dozens of flowers, little notes, teddy bears....but then again....it's a hard drive down there.
I agree I'm shocked at the minimal posts online for keily..I would have thought teens would have stormed that beach with candle vigils etc as we have so often seen after someone passes...and I've only seen one person really writing tributes online it baffles me..
 
I don't find it unusual. The younger generation grew up with them. It's no different than having a notebook in your car.
Phones, yes.

But a laptop on a summer weekend is unusual. During the school year, or if one of her friends had mentioned something like "We spent the afternoon editing photos of our last camping trip" or "She helped me work on my resume" then I would totally agree.

One of mine is a comp sci major and he doesn't cart a laptop around in the summer, so it just stood out to me as something different. Again, the phone? You would never pry it away. Maybe the kids 10 years older than this group, laptops might have been more of a carry everywhere? I look for things that are outside the norm when discussing cases here.

Someone else mentioned maybe Kiely kept all kinds of stuff car in the summer, while hanging out with friends instead of going back to the lodge, so maybe that explains the laptop. If you were going home every couple of days or something, then I can see it. It was more of a "Why would you be carting that around to a party?" I couldn't find an answer that made any sense.
 
“If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.” Snipped by me.

Thanks for this post—a lot to think about here. I was wondering the same thing about the possibility of her car rolling into the water instead of being driven in. Does anyone have a sense of the slope in that beach area and if it’s possible?

A question about the last ping— would connecting to the maps app cause the phone to ping?
Here's a link to the nautical chart that shows the depth and how it changes, and how it drops off drastically at the shoreline in most places. Prosser Creek Reservoir (CA) nautical chart and water depth map
 
“If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.” Snipped by me.

Thanks for this post—a lot to think about here. I was wondering the same thing about the possibility of her car rolling into the water instead of being driven in. Does anyone have a sense of the slope in that beach area and if it’s possible?

A question about the last ping— would connecting to the maps app cause the phone to ping?
Glad to contribute anything I can. I'm not sure about the slope, since LE said the water level was 3-4(?) feet higher the night/morning of the party, which I believe they said could translate to 20-25 feet horizontally. So one would have to know where the shoreline was at that time at various places and also what the slope was in those places. I think it could be a factor in a decision to dispose of the car, but not necessarily (e.g., if it was driven into water), and probably not (one of) the main factors. Anywhere that could be done quickly, without being noticed or on camera, and where it be unlikely to be discovered would suffice. Having a slope to get momentum would help with the last of those factors, as the farther offshore and deeper depth the vehicle eventually settled, the less likely it would be for someone to discover it.
 
Another "coincidence" in this case IMO is where they found her vehicle. People have understandably gone to great lengths to try to explain how Kiely may have been heavily intoxicated, taken (multiple?) wrong turns, navigated "road(s)" that are actually ATV trails that may even be worse than some of the surrounding terrain, etc. That's not unexpected and I'm not insisting that scenario is impossible, but perhaps consider the scenario that someone else put that vehicle in the water:

Let's suppose Kiely was already dead or seriously incapacitated and considered close to death before her car went into the water. Let's further suppose that someone (or a couple/few people) were either directly responsible for her death/incapacitation or believed they had enough potential criminal liability for her death (or death in the near future) that they decided the best solution was to place Kiely in her vehicle (or she was already in the vehicle) and dispose of the vehicle.

Consider the general areas that we believe Kiely may have parked, the location of the party, the location of the other party in the area. It also helps to look at a larger map of the whole lake and/or the areas surrounding the areas described in my previous sentence.

What would be the most important qualities of a spot to dispose of the vehicle? I would suppose at least some of those would be:

1. Time: One would want to dispose of the vehicle quickly. The more quickly it's in the water, the less likely someone sees the vehicle, the less likely someone sees the people involved with the vehicle and/or the people in an unusual area, and the less time one has to fill with some sort of fake alibi.

2. Hiding the Disposal: One would want to pick a location and route to that location that minimized visual identification of the vehicle (in possession of that person/those people or in a conspicuous location) whether by individuals at the party or another party in that area, or from residents/campers in the surrounding area (e.g., homes along the lake), or from camera (whether phone cameras or surveillance cameras).

3. Distance: Distance may not be that important in and of itself, but it affects #1 (Time) and #2 (Hiding the Disposal).

4. Likelihood of Quick/Eventual Discovery: Obviously if the vehicle is never discovered, then the perpetrators would get away with their crime(s). If it is discovered, the longer it takes to do so, the more evidence may be deteriorated and/or contaminated.

5. Ease of Disposal: If the vehicle was driven into the water, this wouldn't be much of a factor at many sites, but that would seem to also be complicated by the necessity of the driver escaping the vehicle after driving it into the water. If the vehicle was pushed/rolled into the water, then one would prefer a slope to give the vehicle much-needed momentum to assist in disposing of the vehicle farther from shore and in deeper water.

So given such parameters, what would be an ideal disposal site?

A. Anything on land is much more likely to be discovered and there don't seem to be any suitable areas in that immediate vicinity, so that would also bring time into play as well.

B. Leaving the campground, perhaps to go to another lake in the region, is going to take much more time, risk visual identification of the vehicle, and risk the chance of the vehicle being seen on a camera (whether on the way to the highway, on the highway(s), from businesses/residences along the route, etc.).

C. Other than the boat launch/ramp and the area that the vehicle was actually found, the rest of the lake would require a much longer and a very convoluted route and/or extensive driving along the shore that would leave tons of tracks. So that would take more time, more distance, and possibly even more evidence (both tons of tracks and much more possibility of being seen by persons and/or cameras) for most likely marginal benefits at most.

So that would seem to limit the best options to the area of the boat launch, wrapping around to the western shores of the southern/southeastern arm of the reservoir where the vehicle was found. Using the boat launch has one large obvious advantage, a paved road (for at least most of the way?) that wouldn't leave nearly as many/good of tracks, and would allow a straighter, faster push/drive of the vehicle into the water. That one large advantage appears to be offset by various substantial disadvantages: It would require driving past a couple of campgrounds and a parking lot (presumably for at least one of those campgrounds), once to shore it seems visible by the entirety of the areas surrounding the main lake, and it's an area of much, much higher future activity such as boating, diving, swimming, fishing, etc. (risking discovery of the vehicle or some other piece of evidence from the vehicle, etc.).

So the best area seems to be on the western shore of the S/SE arm of the lake. The northern half of that shoreline has one or both campgrounds in close proximity and many trees to contend with after any nearby "road" ends (risking hitting tree while driving/pushing vehicle and preventing a lengthier run-up to the reservoir). On the southern half of that shoreline, one would expect the deepest part to be right around where her vehicle was found. Just another strange coincidence in a very strange case.
The problem with this is that to get away with the crime didn’t require hiding the car. All you had to do was leave and shut up. Hiding the car actually increases your chance of being seen.
 
Without future confirmed evidence I see this a tragic accident. Young girl intoxicated and driving. Kiely probably disoriented and maybe fell asleep or using phone. Would like to know wind strength and current which may help determine where vehicle entered water before drifting to found location.

Great work by AWP for locating Kiely and affording her a proper resting place. RIP
 
Phones, yes.

But a laptop on a summer weekend is unusual. During the school year, or if one of her friends had mentioned something like "We spent the afternoon editing photos of our last camping trip" or "She helped me work on my resume" then I would totally agree.

One of mine is a comp sci major and he doesn't cart a laptop around in the summer, so it just stood out to me as something different. Again, the phone? You would never pry it away. Maybe the kids 10 years older than this group, laptops might have been more of a carry everywhere? I look for things that are outside the norm when discussing cases here.

Someone else mentioned maybe Kiely kept all kinds of stuff car in the summer, while hanging out with friends instead of going back to the lodge, so maybe that explains the laptop. If you were going home every couple of days or something, then I can see it. It was more of a "Why would you be carting that around to a party?" I couldn't find an answer that made any sense.
Most kids I know keep all kinds of things in their cars, including laptops. IMO it's not unusual.
 
The problem with this is that to get away with the crime didn’t require hiding the car. All you had to do was leave and shut up. Hiding the car actually increases your chance of being seen.
It depends on what may have happened to her, but if some sort of foul play and/or cover up was involved:

1. If the car is left wherever it was (somewhere near the party), then that severely limits the scope of the search (except for the abduction possibility, which is more of a needle in a haystack, since it had been several hours at least until she was reported missing). They wouldn't have searched the surrounding region nearly as intensively, since it would be impossible she drove off the road somewhere. This would increase the scrutiny in and around the area of the party/vehicle, and makes it more likely that they find her IMO. If she was on land, they almost certainly find her very quickly. It would, I assume, be more difficult to find just her in the water than her vehicle, but they would almost certainly want to weigh her down to substantially decrease the possibility of discovering her (or at least doing so quickly, before evidence deteriorates). So they would need a heavy object that doesn't float and doesn't easily incriminate them, and they would have to find that quickly and attach that to her. Perhaps that wasn't easily possible. Also, once that is done, if they do find her in the water, it's obvious foul play and/or cover up was involved.

2. There could be substantial evidence in the vehicle. Suppose there was an (even a non-lethal) OD while she was in the car or outside the vehicle, but they later transferred her to the vehicle. I'm no expert on ODs, but it would seem very possible that there could be blood and/or vomit on her and/or her clothing that could be easily detected by LE upon discovery of the vehicle on land. Alcohol poisoning (basically a form of OD) would likely produce vomit? If there was some other type of incident (fight, vehicular accident, etc.) that could also produce blood on her and/or her clothing. Once she's deceased, there are other bodily fluids that could end up contaminating the car (again, whether she died in the vehicle or died outside and was later transfrerred to vehicle).
 
I agree I'm shocked at the minimal posts online for keily..I would have thought teens would have stormed that beach with candle vigils etc as we have so often seen after someone passes...and I've only seen one person really writing tributes online it baffles me..
I believe it may be a case of collective guilt, conscious or subconscious, and a desire by some to disassociate themselves from the events of the night. Kiely, in all likelihood, was probably no more and no less impaired than very many of the other kids there, most of whom were probably minors, as well. A large portion of them were probably doing the same things that she was, and yet she is the one who died. The rest seemed to eventually get home safely. I am sure that there were people there who saw the shape she was in, yet apparently either didn't try, or were not successful in preventing her from attempting to drive away from the party. At this point, many may not want to face that, and probably just don't wish to be reminded of it. JMO
 
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If they eventually release COD as drowning and there is nothing but alcohol in her system, then I will be convinced.

Anything less than that and I will probably always wonder if we know how she really died.

Without AWP, she and her vehicle would almost certainly never have been found, so we should be very thankful for that.
AWP seemed to indicate that 55 feet from shore (and probably more at time it entered water, LE said it could be another 20-25 feet) was pretty far out from shore, which IMO is important in light of the "roads" leading to that area.
AWP also said during their video statement:

"This a big ongoing investigation, a lot of answers still out there. A lot of questions to be answered, and the FBI, NCSO, and PCSO now have one of the biggest missing clues to their investigation, and I fully expect a lot of very heavy stuff to come from this."

With the FBI still involved, at least in fully processing the vehicle, I believe they will find a lot of answers to their/our questions. What those answers will be and whether they believe they have a prosecutable case IF there was foul play and/or a cover up, I can't say. I suggest keeping an open mind though. Something just smells funny with this case.
 
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Assuming the most direct route; isn’t it one right hand wrong turn and it goes straight into the reservoir?

Considering KR lived on a drive that is impassable by regular vehicle I would say she is more than used to bumping along at speed.



It’s sadly simple:

The whole set up was an accident waiting to happen

There is no evidence that it was any more than a large group of good kids with promising futures having fun in a community and parent approved location and style. Even the much maligned “older guys” are said to have come from University.

There is zero confirmation in MSM or from LE that foul play is involved.

The heavy stuff to come out of this is the end of condoning of underage drinking and partying on public lands by enforcing the rules with penalties applied, imo.

all imo
 
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