GUILTY CA - Lauren Key, 4, thrown off cliff, Rancho Palos Verdes, 8 Nov 2000

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Anita Richman said:
Thanks for the images, La Mer. Such a tragedy! :( I actually got sick over the testimony that her little wrist was broken as she tried to break her fall. I don't care who you are or on what side of "guilt" you are on in this case...that was truly one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever heard.

God bless the little angel, Lauren.

AMEN to that!
 
Anyone listening to KFI today? I can't cuz I'm at work, and there are too many people here.
 
Pepper said:
Anyone listening to KFI today? I can't cuz I'm at work, and there are too many people here.
Don't you hate it when your colleagues and employers get in the way of your true crime following? I mean, c'mon peeps! Get Pepper her own, enclosed office and a huge "Do Not Disturb" sign!
 
I just started listening (4:40 pm)and they're talking about the heat wave. I'm not sure if I missed their discussion of the case or not. Anyone know?
 
Anita Richman said:
Don't you hate it when your colleagues and employers get in the way of your true crime following? I mean, c'mon peeps! Get Pepper her own, enclosed office and a huge "Do Not Disturb" sign!

Yeah dammit! I just tuned in a few minutes ago to some other conversation too Ntegrity. I dunno if we missed it or if they just aren't covering it today due to another Geragos delay, heh.
 
Darn!!! As soon as I shut it down, they'll probably talk about the trial. :(
 
Weren't they on a break until today? Something about Mark Geragos needing time to look over a witnesses information?
 
Anita Richman said:
Weren't they on a break until today? Something about Mark Geragos needing time to look over a witnesses information?

They may be on a break until tomorrow. Another stupid Geragos delay tactic, for which he is infamous. :chicken: :razz:
 
The more I read about what Cam Brown has said, the more I think he is a nut case and devoid of emotion. What kind of ADULT guy throws rocks at the surfers below and encourages his daughter to do the same? This is his version describing that Lauren wasn't afraid of standing near the edge. In reality she may never have gone anywhere near that edge voluntarily.

Anyone think he will take the stand in his own defense?
 
I hope CB does take the stand, and as far as Geragos is concerned; I hope filthy a$$hole wife & baby killers continue to hire him so they will go to jail GUARANTEED!
 
hollyjokers said:
I hope CB does take the stand, and as far as Geragos is concerned; I hope filthy a$$hole wife & baby killers continue to hire him so they will go to jail GUARANTEED!
Amen to that! :clap:
 
Anita Richman said:
Weren't they on a break until today? Something about Mark Geragos needing time to look over a witnesses information?

Anita, I thought so too, but found this today, prosecution rested yesterday after MG tried to discredit the P's expert. What I found most telling of what
has been supposedly going on with Markie's delays, the judge set the field trip for the jury to visit IP n stone. :boohoo: Markie, it's going to happen! Just wait till the jurors see what a dangerous place daddy chose to have his day of fun and play with his little 4 year old! EEK Coupling that with his history of balking at child support, being in debt, and not wanting to be a father, sure sure sure!


Brown's lawyer challenges expert witness; prosecution rests case
Geragos tells jurors the specialist in the biomechanics of falls didn't investigate girl's plunge off a cliff in Rancho Palos Verdes.
By Nick Green
DAILY BREEZE

The prosecution rested its case Tuesday in the murder trial of a man accused of throwing his 4-year-old daughter off a Rancho Palos Verdes cliff after defense attorneys spent the afternoon attempting to discredit the conclusions of a key witness.

Celebrity Los Angeles attorney Mark Geragos, known for his unsuccessful defense of convicted wife murderer Scott Peterson, tried to inject doubt into jurors' minds regarding the testimony of Wilson Hayes, an expert in the biomechanics of falls.

Geragos' suggestions at the Torrance trial included that:

• Hayes didn't seriously investigate whether Lauren Key actually slipped and fell from Inspiration Point while hiking with Cameron Brown six years ago as the defense contends. Prosecutors have alleged the 44-year-old former airline baggage handler threw her off the cliff to avoid making monthly $1,000 child support payments.

• Doubt should be cast on Hayes' conclusions because in a Utah case where he testified his fall analysis showed a man killed his wife by pushing her off a cliff, the jury eventually acquitted the accused.

• Hayes' simulations of the girl's descent down the 122-foot-high cliff were either flawed -- or were designed to deliberately "mislead" the jury.

• On only one occasion has Hayes testified for the defense in a criminal case, while often earning money from prosecutors. Hayes testified he had been paid about $45,000 for his work on the case over the last four years and bills more than $250 an hour for his testimony under oath on the behalf of government entities.

Throughout it all, Hayes remained unperturbed, occasionally smiling and politely answering Geragos' questions.

Geragos had previously attempted to have the case dismissed after attacking Hayes' theories.

Jurors took notes in large notebooks, listening intently as Geragos tried to puncture Hayes' theories and credibility.

Geragos has the opportunity to present his side of the case beginning today in Torrance Superior Court when he will again move in a routine procedural motion to dismiss the case.

Also on Tuesday, Judge Mark S. Arnold set an Aug. 2 date "in stone" for a field trip requested by the prosecution to have jurors visit the site of the alleged murder.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/3425976.html?page=1&c=y



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Pepper said:
The more I read about what Cam Brown has said, the more I think he is a nut case and devoid of emotion. What kind of ADULT guy throws rocks at the surfers below and encourages his daughter to do the same? This is his version describing that Lauren wasn't afraid of standing near the edge. In reality she may never have gone anywhere near that edge voluntarily.

Anyone think he will take the stand in his own defense?

I agree with you Pepper, sitting here remembering his words while waiting for the emergency crew etc. totally devoid of any love or concern for Lauren. MG tried to persuade the jury, CB wasn't an emotional kind of guy, but a former girlfreind testified and swiftly debunked that version.

Testify? I hope he does, the P will cream him, but I would bet he doesn't get anywhere near the stand.
 
I love the reference to Geragos in the article: "....known for his unsuccessful defense of convicted wife murderer Scott Peterson.."
 
Fianally I remembered to tune in to KFI. 7:00EST

Geraman showed up in court today LOL and asked the judge to dismiss the case--again! His claim is Lauren Slipped!

MG stated the P's case was based on the lack of emotion by CB.
Stated there was no play book for emotion, there is no play book for how one acts when a child dies. Claimed the P did 8 weeks of character assassination. A whole lot of $itching $itchinig by MG, so it sounded!

Accused Hayes, the P's key witness of being a hired gun, and something about his theory not being reasonable, and no reasonable person/a jury could find it reasonable, but the judge disagreed.

It was either John or Ken who said, MG doesn't care if CB goes to jai or diesl, as long as his Daddy's checkbook pays the bill!

The expert for the defense took the stand today, he is one Gary Yamaguchi(body motion expert), also a rock climber. I think this might be the one, not positive, but it looks to match.

http://www.exponent.com/leaders/bios/gary_yamaguchi.asp?employeeID=602

Dr. Gary T. Yamaguchi is a Managing Engineer in Exponent’s Biomechanics practice. Dr. Yamaguchi specializes in the biomechanics and biodynamics of human injury, including rigid body dynamics, human movement, accident reconstruction, mechanical design, and rehabilitation engineering. His work includes analyses of traumatic injuries associated with transportation, the workplace, falling, recreation, consumer products, and the design and development of orthoses, prostheses, and rehabilitative equipment. His research activities include the development of three-dimensional human musculoskeletal models for analysis and prediction of stresses on muscles, tendons, and joints.

Dr. Yamaguchi is currently also a Research Associate Professor in the Harrington Department of Bioengineering at Arizona State University (ASU). Prior to joining Exponent, Dr. Yamaguchi was an Associate Professor with tenure, Director of the Whitaker Center for Neuromechanical Control, and an Assistant Professor of Biomedical Engineering at ASU, a Rehabilitation R&D Bioengineer at the Palo Alto Veterans Administration Medical Center, a Systems Integration Engineer at the Magnetic Fusion Test Facility of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and a Research Assistant at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Yamaguchi went down the side of IP. He was to have stated, lack of evidence due to not knowing exactly where Lauren went off the cliff. If one is to use physics, one has to know where she left the cliff. ***the exact point. Also he observed the upper cliff bore no rocks or sticks, nothing to cause abrasions as it was mosty dead dry grass. K & J made the point it was April when GY made his trip to IP, and Lauren died there in Nov. He stated there would only be the injuries she would have obtained at the point of impact, due to lack of rocks/sticks at the top.----covering for her being thrown or pushed imo. Also he said it would not be clear where Lauren landed, as the waters below were turbulent, possibly the body did not stay where it landed.

He was debunking the P's expert, as no one knows where Lauren left the cliff---if CamB only lost her in his sight for a few seconds, he should ask him where she was at the last moment he saw her EH? Then there was something about GY stating Lauren would have bounced off the cliff as some points, maybe this was in part of his stating one would not know, where she landed, but I really didn't catch that part.

This John and Ken, are a hoot! I felt sorry for the reporter LOL It will be a bit clearer in the Breeze, ya think?
 
I think it is a moot point where Lauren went off the cliff. Just looking at the photographs of the area makes it pretty clear no parent in their right mind would take a child anywhere near that place.
 
jilly said:

Thanks Jilly :)

excerpt from above link:

A self-described mountaineer, Yamaguchi rappelled down the cliff to learn more about Lauren's plunge. Moreover, he offered -- in an opinion that visibly took Judge Mark S. Arnold aback -- the area's beauty was such that he "would love to hike" there with his own children.

The prosecution seized on Yamaguchi's admission that he "didn't believe anybody can determine" whether Lauren fell accidentally or was thrown for sure because no one saw her fall or where she landed.


Amazing, and his children are how old? :bang:
 
LaMer said:
Thanks Jilly :)

excerpt from above link:

A self-described mountaineer, Yamaguchi rappelled down the cliff to learn more about Lauren's plunge. Moreover, he offered -- in an opinion that visibly took Judge Mark S. Arnold aback -- the area's beauty was such that he "would love to hike" there with his own children.

The prosecution seized on Yamaguchi's admission that he "didn't believe anybody can determine" whether Lauren fell accidentally or was thrown for sure because no one saw her fall or where she landed.


Amazing, and his children are how old? :bang:

This guy sounds a bit like Geragos' Dr March in the Peterson case - all over the map. I'm surprised he said that he would "love to hike there" with his own children. I'm sure the jury will remember that when they have their field trip. Also, as John & Ken pointed out this guy analyized the terrain in April when Lauren died the previous November.

Too bad we don't have the transcripts. It's so hard to know what's really going on when these reporters select bits and pieces to tell us.

Right now, I'm a little concerned (from what I've read) - the prosecution doesn't appear to have much in the way of expert testimony. If the jury cancels out these 2 guys, we may at the very most get a hung jury?
 
According to KFI yesterday:

Apparently, to prove that Lauren's injuries were consistent with a fall the Def witness Yamaguchi showed a video/dvd of a CAR crashing on an asphalt surface. The DA cross examination pointed out that a car is not flexible and you can't compare a car to a little girl.

Prosecution's expert witness was Dr Hayes. He had taught at MIT and Stanford.
Yamaguchi attended both schools and pros asked him if he ever took any of Dr Hayes' classes. Answer was no. Pros was able to implicate of course that their witness was the prof and def witness was a student.

Yamaguchi was paid $50,000. He got more than Hayes.

DA Hum referred to Ys report - in page 4 he apparently said "the trail is beautiful". Hum asked "What scientific aspect does that help us with?". Y said all he could think of out there was how beautiful it was.

Hum apparently muttered under his breath - "Thanks for volunteering that".

Geragos called a Cal Tech prof to show that the DA shopped for it's experts.

I don't know why Geragos is making such a big deal about experts being paid. Ridiculous, imo.Most people know that and secondly, it back fired on him because it turns out the pros expert was paid less than the defense.lol.And shopping for witnesses - they all do. He must think the jury was born yesterday.
 

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