CA CA - Lydia "Dia" Abrams, 65, Idyllwild, 6 Jun 2020

[Curious Me]

Smart to take that router. Keith said he and Dia had lunch that day, and texted around four p.m., then he got back from mowing the meadow around 7:30 p.m. and she was missing. Her phone was plugged into the bedroom charger. LE can probably verify whether that's true or not.

snipped and bolded by me:.....snipped ... @Curious Me, not doubting you at all, but could you direct me to where you got the info regarding the texting at 4:00 and of her phone in the charger? I’d like to read or hear it (if audio), as I guess I missed those facts. Thanks!

In the beginning, there was a thread for the six people from Idyllwild missing. Here's a link to the thread.
CA - CA - 4 (previously 6) individuals missing near Idyllwild, summer 2020
Some of the info about Lydia's case got left over there.

This is from Aug. 6th. This is what you asked to see. Video included with a KH interview, but you must turn off your any ad type blocker to watch.
Families want answers after 5 people go missing in Idyllwild area since March | KTLA
This man has done various interviews. At first Keith was saying he and Dia texted at around 4 p.m. In this video, he specifically says her phone was plugged into the charger in the bedroom, and he even hold up his hands to make us visualize the phone charger.

Yes, there was confusion in the stories of how Dia went missing. Keith had lunch with her and left her at the house. Then, somebody else said she was suppose to go to San Diego that afternoon. Yet, Keith didn't mention that. Then, she was described walking and wearing certain clothes which the color and description changed over time. I do think from this latest interview video that she was seen by the man working on the hot water heater at one of the properties or cabins that morning. Keith said she seemed in a fine mood that morning.

No doubt, he's a smooth talker and very self-assured. He comes across more genuine than most. MOO, it's a big mistake to be doing so many interviews if you're the suspect. Can't talk away evidence. This isn't some woman accusing him of groping her. The other thread may supply a few links that didn't make it here.

BBM and All MOO

 

[Curious Me]

Websleuths is a victim friendly site.
I guess at this point, Keith is considered a victim with a missing lover. Holding off some, but I do find his storage business of interest, also the grow sites maybe being connected, and I wonder what LE discovered at his storage place and the evidence they aren't revealing.

He must have done whatever work as LE or Drug Enforcement before his own troubles. It seems LE does know who KH is, as well as the others in the area listed, as someone pointed out early in the last thread.
Quality of life improvement saturation patrol • Idyllwild Town Crier

As far as I know, LE has collected all that evidence and has been investigating this as a possible homicide, but no one has been arrested yet. The fiancé has continued to do many news interviews, while all along he knew LE was keeping an eye on him. He's not a suspect yet, but I would definitely consider him a POI. I do think he used his ability to come across innocent then wrongly accused in other instances, and he thinks it works for him. Like I said, there's no talking away evidence. We'll see how this turns out.

MOO

 

[slowpoke]

In the beginning, there was a thread for the six people from Idyllwild missing. Here's a link to the thread.
CA - CA - 4 (previously 6) individuals missing near Idyllwild, summer 2020
Some of the info about Lydia's case got left over there.

This is from Aug. 6th. This is what you asked to see. Video included with a KH interview, but you must turn off your any ad type blocker to watch.
Families want answers after 5 people go missing in Idyllwild area since March | KTLA
This man has done various interviews. At first Keith was saying he and Dia texted at around 4 p.m. In this video, he specifically says her phone was plugged into the charger in the bedroom, and he even hold up his hands to make us visualize the phone charger.

Yes, there was confusion in the stories of how Dia went missing. Keith had lunch with her and left her at the house. Then, somebody else said she was suppose to go to San Diego that afternoon. Yet, Keith didn't mention that. Then, she was described walking and wearing certain clothes which the color and description changed over time. I do think from this latest interview video that she was seen by the man working on the hot water heater at one of the properties or cabins that morning. Keith said she seemed in a fine mood that morning.

No doubt, he's a smooth talker and very self-assured. He comes across more genuine than most. MOO, it's a big mistake to be doing so many interviews if you're the suspect. Can't talk away evidence. This isn't some woman accusing him of groping her. The other thread may supply a few links that didn't make it here.

BBM and All MOO

@Curious Me, thank you for directing me to the video! Much appreciated.

The reporter is the one who says KH “texted with her around 4:00”, which does seem to imply that she texted back. I think we can infer that KH is saying all was seemingly fine to him up until 4:00. So, for his story, he is saying whatever happened happened between 4:00 and 7:30 (which is when he said he arrived back at the house).

Like you say, the police should be able to verify these texts.

It is interesting that poster @PomMom says Dia was expected to go to the San Diego area the day she went missing, yet KH never makes mention of that, nor have we read that in any news reports. Are the police keeping that fact under wraps? I read her son and daughter live in La Jolla (very wealthy community in San Diego). Was she going to be visiting them on this trip?

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

... I also don't see anything that represented violence here either.

^^^ Thank You @tvscum for posting this video. Hope everyone watches this particular video.

Nothing in KH's past including trouble he's gotten in has been of a violent nature as far as I can tell.

The way he tells of the last time he saw Dia sounds normal at first, but I felt there were clues to what may have led up to an argument. It's all my own speculation though.

He says after lunch, Dia had said she wants to talk to him, but he has to go mow the meadow and won't be done until near dark. They're going to talk later. Listen to it please. At about the 1:53 minute mark, he seems to burst out with an odd telling statement, "I will not ever see her again at that point."

So, I'm stuck on this--
What did she want to talk to him about? They were supposedly going to drive together to Colorado the next day and yet it sounds like it was a pressing matter in Dia's mind. It sounded important and he put her off. Was it some thing he didn't want to hear? Something that he did hear and that made him mad???

In the beginning interviews he didn't share anything about Dia having something she wanted to talk about, but now he makes it sound like a pressing matter on her mind. Just my own opinion though.

BBM, UBM, and MOO

 

[Curious Me]

I read her son and daughter live in La Jolla (very wealthy community in San Diego). Was she going to be visiting them on this trip?

I don't know if Dia was actually planning to go to San Diego that afternoon as someone said. MOO, it would be kind of late in the day. (The trip from Idyllwild to La Jolla is about 113 miles and takes 2 hrs.) Supposedly she had plans to travel with Keith the next day. Perhaps she changed her mind about going to San Diego that day. She seemed to have something on her mind she wanted to talk to Keith about, according to him.

Regarding Dia's children-- I'm sure you read some of the ongoing court battles going on within the family. I can only guess that Dia might have been estranged from her children. Why I say that is because they aren't mentioned in the search, they haven't done any news interviews upset their mother is missing, and the daughter made a text comment that seemed to dismiss any concern of the missing "Dia". See below that there is no mention of family searching.

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"Friends, neighbors and the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit searched the ranch for three days but never found any trace of Abrams."

 

[slowpoke]

I don't know if Dia was actually planning to go to San Diego that afternoon as someone said. MOO, it would be kind of late in the day. (The trip from Idyllwild to La Jolla is about 113 miles and takes 2 hrs.) Supposedly she had plans to travel with Keith the next day. Perhaps she changed her mind about going to San Diego that day. She seemed to have something on her mind she wanted to talk to Keith about, according to him.

Regarding Dia's children-- I'm sure you read some of the ongoing court battles going on within the family. I can only guess that Dia might have been estranged from her children. Why I say that is because they aren't mentioned in the search, they haven't done any news interviews upset their mother is missing, and the daughter made a text comment that seemed to dismiss any concern of the missing "Dia". See below that there is no mention of family searching.

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"Friends, neighbors and the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit searched the ranch for three days but never found any trace of Abrams."

Yeah, “visiting” her adult kids was a poor choice of words on my part. Maybe more like going down there to confront them. Or maybe her attorney is down in the San Diego area. But, true, we don’t know if she really was intending to head down to the area. Since PomMom is not a verified insider (as far as I know), that tidbit will have to be considered rumor, I suppose.

I do wonder what Dia wanted to discuss with her fiancé. If I were KH, that sure would weigh heavy on my mind, the not knowing what it was—and that I had put off the talk (in light of her disappearing).

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

He says after lunch, Dia had said she wants to talk to him, but he has to go mow the meadow and won't be done until near dark. They're going to talk later. Listen to it please. At about the 1:53 minute mark, he seems to burst out with an odd telling statement, "I will not ever see her again at that point."

He sometimes mixes tenses.
I think he just meant that he would not ever see her again. I think 'at that point' means from that point forward.

At around 2.06 David asks Harper what items Dia left behind. He starts answering with, "she leaves her purse on the counter". To me that seems like a mix of she usually leaves her purse on the counter and it was there, and she left her purse on the counter like she usually does.

Then Harper goes off target and says, "She talks about going down and reining the horses, she does that all the time. She usually leaves at about 5:00, gets back at about oh probably 7:30, quarter to 8." David says, "to go down to Garner Valley?" Harper says, "yes".
I think this is where the assumption that "Abrams was heading toward the Garner Valley area...." comes from. It appears it was part of Dia's regular routine to go there in the evening.
(I got another question answered......it doesn't appear to have been Dia's children who pointed towards Garner Valley) BBM
Friends and family of missing woman remain hopeful | Valley News

I really don't think Harper could have watched the Ranch gate the entire time while mowing the meadow. I would think someone could have opened the gate just a little and slipped in on foot. But then how would they have gotten Dia off the Ranch without being seen?

Harper tends to mix the word 'probably' with 'without a question' and 'without a doubt' .

Harper told David that Dia moved properties into her trust because "there was a threat to her life". I wish David had asked him more about that threat.

 

[jash]

^^^ Thank You @tvscum for posting this video. Hope everyone watches this particular video.

Nothing in KH's past including trouble he's gotten in has been of a violent nature as far as I can tell.

The way he tells of the last time he saw Dia sounds normal at first, but I felt there were clues to what may have led up to an argument. It's all my own speculation though.

He says after lunch, Dia had said she wants to talk to him, but he has to go mow the meadow and won't be done until near dark. They're going to talk later. Listen to it please. At about the 1:53 minute mark, he seems to burst out with an odd telling statement, "I will not ever see her again at that point."

So, I'm stuck on this--
What did she want to talk to him about? They were supposedly going to drive together to Colorado the next day and yet it sounds like it was a pressing matter in Dia's mind. It sounded important and he put her off. Was it some thing he didn't want to hear? Something that he did hear and that made him mad???

In the beginning interviews he didn't share anything about Dia having something she wanted to talk about, but now he makes it sound like a pressing matter on her mind. Just my own opinion though.

BBM, UBM, and MOO

I just got around to watching the video (multiple times). What struck me...

Q: Did [Dia] seem depressed, despondent? What was her mood like?
KH: Not really. She was, ah, I mean we fed the horses which are 7 miles down, earlier. We had a guy work on a water heater down there. She was of good spirits at that moment. [But later?]

Q: Who was on the ranch at the time she disappeared?
KH: Just me.

Q: What was the last thing you said to her? How did it go?
KH: Oh we ended lunch. We were going to Durango, Colorado on the following day. She said, she had made a statement, she said "I would like to talk with you" and I said "Well we have the meadow to do" and I said "I'll be 'til dark getting the meadow done" and I said "Can we talk once I finish that?" I will not ever see her [almost sounds like he started to say "you"] again, at that point.

Q: How can you prove that [you had nothing to do with Dia's disappearance]?
KH: I can prove it because I loved the woman. We were going to get married. There was everything positive about our relationship. We didn't have almost any difficulties, whatsoever. I have no reason to bring harm to her. I loved that woman.

Other things I learned:
- Dia would keep her 22 caliber pistol in a zippered pocket in her jacket, as opposed to KH who wears his openly.
- He thinks she would have been able to defend herself if she were attacked.
- He said it would be unlikely for Dia to have gone for a hike without telling him.

 

[jash]

I am still getting the impression that Dia's handgun is missing. KH says she'd keep it in her jacket pocket. According to the description, she was last seen wearing a black windbreaker.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

Safe to say that if the horses are 7 miles away, meaning she drove?
Humans usually walk 3-4 miles per hour.... The truck was there at a given time, was the hood warm?

It is also safe to say that we can only break down what is known or stated,
LE and the kids are pretty silent, most likely for different reasons, JMO...

 

[Desert Cruiser]

I am still getting the impression that Dia's handgun is missing. KH says she'd keep it in her jacket pocket. According to the description, she was last seen wearing a black windbreaker.

IF the work stopped at the end of the day, you start losing sunlight around 7:30, Dia would usually reign in the horses 5 -7:30 maybe quarter til eight( pretty specific?)
If she did take care of the horses, I don't think she would need a jacket?

Average Weather in June in Idyllwild-Pine Cove, California, United States - Weather Spark.

That would put her back close the same time work was finishing up if she did take care of the horses, if not who else would?, JMO

 

[mrsNKY]

With all they collected from her home, isn't it odd he didn't see any of that? He had to have been in her home looking for her. Plus didn't it say earlier that neighbors came over to help search? Something is very wrong here. There was a band-aid with blood (not huge) but it could have pointed to a small injury but wouldn't the fiancé have known if this happened earlier? A two notes? If someone I cared about was missing I would have turned the house upside down. There are a lot of missing pieces that do not make sense.

 

[slowpoke]

With all they collected from her home, isn't it odd he didn't see any of that? He had to have been in her home looking for her. Plus didn't it say earlier that neighbors came over to help search? Something is very wrong here. There was a band-aid with blood (not huge) but it could have pointed to a small injury but wouldn't the fiancé have known if this happened earlier? A two notes? If someone I cared about was missing I would have turned the house upside down. There are a lot of missing pieces that do not make sense.

Finding blood is always scary-sounding, but then again (for the sake of argument), I could see it being a possibility that KH did know about the bandaid, tp and sheets because it was from a minor cut on his own person, which he could have gotten from working outside.

For clarity, here’s the list of things seized from the cbs8 article:
Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

In a June 8 search warrant served on the Bonita Vista Ranch, investigators seized a list of evidence, including a tan bed sheet with possible blood, a band-aid with possible blood, a piece of toilet paper with possible blood, two spent bullet casings (with F and REM markings), two handwritten letters, and a Netgear router, News 8 has learned.

I am pretty ignorant with respect to gun ownership, so is it unusual to have found “spent bullet casings”? Especially, knowing Dia shoots off her gun at rattlesnakes (which, off-topic, but bothered me to hear KH say she once had an “incident” where she killed 5. Most of the time one does not need to kill a rattlesnake just because you see one in your path. I hike and encounter many, but it’s their habitat. I let them slither on by before moving ahead or walk a wide berth around it.)

 

[AmandaSkis]

MOO KH comes across as a con man. The talk he says they were going to have? Yea, I’m guessing that talk happened. It was called The Wealthy Woman Breaks Up With the Con Man.

I’d like to know how much of the meadow was mowed that day.

And his trip to Colorado? MOO, that trip was not for work.

 

[Curious Me]

Finding blood is always scary-sounding, but then again (for the sake of argument), I could see it being a possibility that KH did know about the bandaid, tp and sheets because it was from a minor cut on his own person, which he could have gotten from working outside.

Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

"In a June 8 search warrant served on the Bonita Vista Ranch, investigators seized a list of evidence, including a tan bed sheet with possible blood, a band-aid with possible blood, a piece of toilet paper with possible blood, two spent bullet casings (with F and REM markings), two handwritten letters, and a Netgear router, News 8 has learned."

I agree. At first, I reacted with shock at the word "blood", but I get hurt around the house often and finding a band-aid and toilet paper with blood on it is no big deal. I'm trying to imagine someone taking Dia's body off the property, but being stupid enough to leave a bloody sheet or bullet casings. I'm putting more hope on the Netgear router and the two letters. What do those letters say? Is that why Dia wanted to have a talk?

"On June 12, detectives traveled to New Mexico and seized a Ford RV belonging to Keith Harper, Abrams’ 71-year-old fiancé. Investigators impounded the vehicle and removed a "section of front driver seat" as evidence, according to the search warrant."

This part made me sit up and start believing Investigators have evidence of a homicide. But... I'm wondering though what it would prove if all they find in the front driver's seat is KH's blood? Where's the evidence of Dia's body being transported in that RV?

"Investigators also searched Harper's storage business, American Storage Complex in Aztec, New Mexico, but the list of evidence removed from the business was kept secret by California investigators."

Hopefully, Investigators got some evidence that proves something. Are they keeping it secret from KH too? He's very confident giving all these interviews, and may think LE can't find a body or evidence to prove anything. At first, it sounded like LE had found big proof, but it might not amount to strong evidence, after all. LE needs to find Dia, or a body.

"Harper previously told News 8 he left the ranch two days after Abrams went missing, and drove his RV to Colorado and New Mexico for business."

Granted, he is not under arrest and seems cooperative with the investigation. But come on now, people are willing to give him the benefit of doubt, but they're still thinking this is suspicious. He was the only other person on the property. He left town while his future wife is mysteriously missing. He says they were suppose to go on that trip together. He couldn't cancel or delay it when Dia was missing? LE needs to find all the places he stopped along the way and it's not going to be easy. We've all seen cases where a body is just shoved out on the side of a remote road. I have no idea how LE can, but I think they will figure it out. However, unless they have damning evidence, I actually think, in this case, a lot depends on if LE can find a body.

I'd love to hear what every one else thinks. Please know that this is all MOO and speculations.

 

[slowpoke]

Snipped:

Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

"On June 12, detectives traveled to New Mexico and seized a Ford RV belonging to Keith Harper, Abrams’ 71-year-old fiancé. Investigators impounded the vehicle and removed a "section of front driver seat" as evidence, according to the search warrant."

"Harper previously told News 8 he left the ranch two days after Abrams went missing, and drove his RV to Colorado and New Mexico for business."

Granted, he is not under arrest and seems cooperative with the investigation. But come on now, people are willing to give him the benefit of doubt, but they're still thinking this is suspicious. He was the only other person on the property. He left town while his future wife is mysteriously missing. He says they were suppose to go on that trip together. He couldn't cancel or delay it when Dia was missing? LE needs to find all the places he stopped along the way and it's not going to be easy. We've all seen cases where a body is just shoved out on the side of a remote road. I have no idea how LE can, but I think they will figure it out. However, unless they have damning evidence, I actually think, in this case, a lot depends on if LE can find a body.

I'd love to hear what every one else thinks. Please know that this is all MOO and speculations.

I, too, see the trip as “not a good look“. What was so pressing that it took precedence over the love of your life’s disappearance? So, he drove the RV there but did not drive it back (truck was seized in New Mexico). Wonder what was his explanation for that.

I think special trained dogs with their ability to sniff the deceased could prove valuable here. (ugh, hate saying this)
MOO

 

[Curious Me]

I, too, see the trip as “not a good look“. What was so pressing that it took precedence over the love of your life’s disappearance? So, he drove the RV there but did not drive it back (truck was seized in New Mexico). Wonder what was his explanation for that.

I think special trained dogs with their ability to sniff the deceased could prove valuable here. (ugh, hate saying this)
MOO

@slowpoke, you brought up an interesting situation. Dia went missing on June 6th, and Keith leaves in his RV to NM June 7th or 8th. He must have returned without his RV because on June 12th LE goes to NM to confiscate his RV. Do I have that correct?

Really impressed that LE got on this so soon. Oh, I definitely believe dogs could sniff out whether a dead Dia was in that RV; however, I wonder if he left it there to be super cleaned, or even crushed. I guess, Dia could have been in the RV all during the Sunday search? That would be so brazen of him. At least, LE was right on it though. Why would he leave the RV in NM? How did he get back? Weird, here he is doing all these news interviews.

MOO, but I happen to think his actions don't match his interview demeanor. I don't know who sent out word Dia was missing, or who called the Sheriff's Dept. From the video, psychic him throws in sadly in regards to his missing future bride,
"I will not ever see her again at that point." Then, it's "Oh Well" gotta go. Next, he's leaving other people to search while he takes off to New Mexico for some business trip. Guess he had no choice but to take off in his RV leaving the property crawling with searchers.
That alone must have been a big signal to LE.

 

[Curious Me]

Does anyone know???
I don't know who sent out word Dia was missing, or who called the Sheriff's Dept. Did Keith call Dia's friends to say she was missing on Saturday night? Friends did search for her on Sunday, but I thought it was friends that contacted the Sheriff Dept.

 

[Niner]

Does anyone know???
I don't know who sent out word Dia was missing, or who called the Sheriff's Dept. Did Keith call Dia's friends to say she was missing on Saturday night? Friends did search for her on Sunday, but I thought it was friends that contacted the Sheriff Dept.

If I recall one of the articles - I thought also it was a friend that called LE.

 

[Curious Me]

Today was predicted to be extremely hot and dry in the San Diego area. Japatul Valley is on fire. I know they have fires up in the Idyllwild area, too.

IF the work stopped at the end of the day, you start losing sunlight around 7:30, Dia would usually reign in the horses 5 -7:30 maybe quarter til eight( pretty specific?) If she did take care of the horses, I don't think she would need a jacket?

Bumping from initial thread of six people missing. Hope you don't mind, @AntBird, as you had posted this great map of where Dia was headed. I find it so hard to believe she'd just take off walking to reign in the horses late in the day, but I'd think she'd at least take her dog and phone. IMO, that was hearsay coming from KH and it ended up getting into the missing report. MOO

Lydia was last seen heading in the direction of Garner Valley (on foot since she left her keys, purse and car at home?). Here's a map of the walk from her home on Apple Canyon Road to Garner Valley... snipped...

The map posted by @AntBird of where Lydia was headed.
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Bumped from other thread, BBM, and all MOO.