GUILTY CA - Michelle Hoang Thi Le, 26, Hayward, 27 May 2011

[London]

Ive read all the pages of this case but I'm still confused about the premeditation of the event - it would surely have to have been someone close enough to Michelle to actually know she was going out to her car for a few minutes? How could that be and them be there in time.
Because if someone knew where she was that evening and decided to wait in the parking garage for her, unbeknownst to Michelle, then they surely ran the significant risk that Michelle would leave the Kaiser building at the same time as the people she had been in the lecture with that day and that there would be a number of people coming to the parking garage at the same time. They would surely have been extremely unlikely to know that she was going to pop down alone and they would have an opportunity? Saying that maybe they were willing to take the risk she was with other people. It seems strange to me that if they knew Michelle was at Kaiser that evening & it was premeditated that they wouldn't have waited near where Michelle lived where they could have had more chance to confront her alone and when it was darker. Unless they knew she was going to Reno which would limit the number of people this could possibly be.
It's so opportunistic seeming, that it happened on what appears like a chance few minutes of Michelle going to her car that it's confusing me as to who this perpetrator could be, how close to Michelle - could it have been someone who was in the Kaiser building with her and knew where she was going?
This is my first ever post attempting at writing my thoughts about a case, sorry if it makes no sense!

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

London...welcome to the thread. Great points! (You make perfect sense to me!)

 

[JDB]

I lived in Hayweird as I call it for years And yes where Kaiser is has been ans still is th bad side of Tennyson Rd. nyhing on the west side of 880 has always been known as the bad side of the freeway. Dlynn( sorry about the shoudler). My gut is telling me Michelle was taking from the parking lot.and that for good reason the LE is withholding information they have, This happens all the time.If I was not suffering from severe migrains I would be there today searching but my pryaers are they do find her.
And it is Highly possible that HK was called to clean up something in the gargae before someone notified that Michelle was missing.

 

[Columbo]

Ive read all the pages of this case but I'm still confused about the premeditation of the event - it would surely have to have been someone close enough to Michelle to actually know she was going out to her car for a few minutes? How could that be and them be there in time.
Because if someone knew where she was that evening and decided to wait in the parking garage for her, unbeknownst to Michelle, then they surely ran the significant risk that Michelle would leave the Kaiser building at the same time as the people she had been in the lecture with that day and that there would be a number of people coming to the parking garage at the same time. They would surely have been extremely unlikely to know that she was going to pop down alone and they would have an opportunity? Saying that maybe they were willing to take the risk she was with other people. It seems strange to me that if they knew Michelle was at Kaiser that evening & it was premeditated that they wouldn't have waited near where Michelle lived where they could have had more chance to confront her alone and when it was darker. Unless they knew she was going to Reno which would limit the number of people this could possibly be.
It's so opportunistic seeming, that it happened on what appears like a chance few minutes of Michelle going to her car that it's confusing me as to who this perpetrator could be, how close to Michelle - could it have been someone who was in the Kaiser building with her and knew where she was going?
This is my first ever post attempting at writing my thoughts about a case, sorry if it makes no sense!

Welcome, London, and thanks for your views--you make a lot of sense to me.
Your theory about it being someone who was in the Kaiser building with her and knew where she was going makes a lot of sense, especially in light of the new information that Kaiser has held back some video of the garage for weeks now. Are they trying to protect someone?

On the other hand,it could be some predator who had been on the prowl looking for a victim and found her in Michelle, or else someone maybe hired to kill (?) her who knew where she worked and was following her, hanging around, waiting for the opportunity and place to harm her. According to reports,though, that parking structure is not the most private or dark place-- too many people driving in and out, walking around, etc--it would be hard to commit a crime like murder there without being seen.

Your theory makes the most sense to me.

 

[yllek]

If the jilted girlfriend is involved, she had access to the boyfriend's house. IIRC, she appeared there uninvited in the past and was confronted by boyfriend's mom.

Just speculating here. She would not have to lay in wait if she got ahold of boyfriend's phone and sent a text saying something to the effect of "meet me near your car at xx o'clock" for some reason that made sense to Michelle. If jilted girlfriend is truly the stalker type and Michelle parked in a similar place every day, she could have been there for very little time before Michelle took what she thought was going to be a very short break and went to the car.

IDK, if not a co-worker or random crime of opportunity, someone had to know where she parked and that she would be going to her car at an irregular time.

JMO...

 

[infamous]

If the jilted girlfriend is involved, she had access to the boyfriend's house. IIRC, she appeared there uninvited in the past and was confronted by boyfriend's mom.

Just speculating here. She would not have to lay in wait if she got ahold of boyfriend's phone and sent a text saying something to the effect of "meet me near your car at xx o'clock" for some reason that made sense to Michelle. If jilted girlfriend is truly the stalker type and Michelle parked in a similar place every day, she could have been there for very little time before Michelle took what she thought was going to be a very short break and went to the car.

IDK, if not a co-worker or random crime of opportunity, someone had to know where she parked and that she would be going to her car at an irregular time.

JMO...

If that was the case, I think they would've kept GE in custody because they would have evidence of her texting Michelle.

It has to be someone that knows her though.

 

[Matt L]

@DLynn: Has the police assisted with any of the recent weekend searches of Niles Canyon and such? Have there been any leads on other possible vast locations?

 

[Columbo]

If the jilted girlfriend is involved, she had access to the boyfriend's house. IIRC, she appeared there uninvited in the past and was confronted by boyfriend's mom.

Just speculating here. She would not have to lay in wait if she got ahold of boyfriend's phone and sent a text saying something to the effect of "meet me near your car at xx o'clock" for some reason that made sense to Michelle. If jilted girlfriend is truly the stalker type and Michelle parked in a similar place every day, she could have been there for very little time before Michelle took what she thought was going to be a very short break and went to the car.

IDK, if not a co-worker or random crime of opportunity, someone had to know where she parked and that she would be going to her car at an irregular time.

JMO...

Actually, yllek, that is very true about GE possibly texting her and meeting her in the garage. I forgot about that.

However--as infamous said in his post, they would have had evidence of the text on GE's phone and kept her in custody. That is--unless GE could delete the text? Sorry, I don't text so I know nothing about it!

 

[jedi]

I lived in Hayweird as I call it for years And yes where Kaiser is has been ans still is th bad side of Tennyson Rd. Anything on the west side of 880 has always been known as the bad side of the freeway.

All sides of Tennyson rd is bad :floorlaugh: I always think of the other side as worst, not the Kaiser side. Eastside has downtown, day labors and all of the cheap apts. I drive through that area each day so I see it.

 

[girlinblue]

Why are we so sure GE's kidnapping charge is related to Michelle? I know she was reportedly arrested and let go. But do we know for sure it was this specific charge from her online rapsheet? How do you let someone go on a kidnapping charge when you're sure the victim was a homicide? I'm confused by this. Anyone have some insight on the legalities here?

 

[Mox]

I didnt want to say anything because I didnt want to seem like a nut.
But on the Michelle website someone listed a google location. Sorry this seems like a nut.
But I dont Know. But back to my point of seeming like a nut, the day of the family vigil meeting at the park by kaiser I did notice birds up in the air flying in circles. Like a dove release at a funeral. Has anyone checked that area of Hayward. I know its residential but has anyone checked that part of the city??

 

[JBean]

This case being discussed with Mark Klaas on Websleuths Radio right now:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...uths-radio-and-the-casey-anthony-murder-trial

 

[yllek]

Actually, yllek, that is very true about GE possibly texting her and meeting her in the garage. I forgot about that.

However--as infamous said in his post, they would have had evidence of the text on GE's phone and kept her in custody. That is--unless GE could delete the text? Sorry, I don't text so I know nothing about it!

My speculation was that since GE had appeared uninvited inside the boyfriend's house in the past (taking his mom off guard), she could have done so again and accessed his phone to text Michelle. If she thought he was texting her to meet outside for a minute, she'd likely go. GE's phone records would be irrelevant. The text would appear on the boyfriend's phone records...

Just a sample theory though; as to how someone might know she would be leaving the building at an irregular time.

 

[Lera213]

I wonder if she isn't being held somewhere?

 

[cluciano63]

Listening to Mark Klass tonight on WS radio, he indicated that he believes LE has good reason to be looking at GE (I hope those are the right initials?). He has met with police all week and also reported that the rift between LE and Michelle's family has been bridged, which is good news. He did not say, however, why LE believes Michelle to be dead, and that her family of course is not ready to believe that.

Searches will continue over the upcoming weekends, from what he said, led mainly by Michelle's family, who have been trained by Klass Kids. He said they had over 400 people show up over the course of the weekend.

 

[Chili Fries]

Why are we so sure GE's kidnapping charge is related to Michelle? I know she was reportedly arrested and let go. But do we know for sure it was this specific charge from her online rapsheet? How do you let someone go on a kidnapping charge when you're sure the victim was a homicide? I'm confused by this. Anyone have some insight on the legalities here?

I agree that it would be interesting to hear an attorney's opinion on this.

I think the kidnapping charge was almost surely related to Michelle's disappearance. I think being sure of something and legally provable are two different things. Releasing her may have to do with a speedy trial clock that starts ticking after the arrest also. Unfortunately we see too many cases where LE seems pretty sure that a certain individual is the perp but don't have a strong enough case to convince the DA's office to go with the charge. Maybe they think GE has accomplices and are still trying to figure out how much she actually participated in the crime as opposed to just orchestrating it. Hopefully this is a sooner than later case when it comes to gathering enough evidence to make an arrest that sticks, especially since it seems that GE may be unstable enough to threaten somebody else again.

 

[i.b.nora]

Listening to Mark Klass tonight on WS radio, he indicated that he believes LE has good reason to be looking at GE (I hope those are the right initials?). He has met with police all week and also reported that the rift between LE and Michelle's family has been bridged, which is good news. He did not say, however, why LE believes Michelle to be dead, and that her family of course is not ready to believe that.

Searches will continue over the upcoming weekends, from what he said, led mainly by Michelle's family, who have been trained by Klass Kids. He said they had over 400 people show up over the course of the weekend.

Its nice to see it confirmed that the rift between LE and the familly has been bridged. I sort of assumed as much after watching the local news, where it was stated that the police had been giving the searchers exact location/s that they felt should be searched.
While the family might not believe she is dead, it would seem that the kinds of locations that are being searched aren't exactly the kinds of places where you would expect to find a live person in hiding or tied to a tree or whatever.
Very glad they had a good turnout.
I personally believe that the suspect, whoever it is, is not a stranger to Michelle.

 

[Columbo]

Listening to Mark Klass tonight on WS radio, he indicated that he believes LE has good reason to be looking at GE (I hope those are the right initials?). He has met with police all week and also reported that the rift between LE and Michelle's family has been bridged, which is good news. He did not say, however, why LE believes Michelle to be dead, and that her family of course is not ready to believe that.

Searches will continue over the upcoming weekends, from what he said, led mainly by Michelle's family, who have been trained by Klass Kids. He said they had over 400 people show up over the course of the weekend.

bolded by me.

I wonder if even Marc Klaas has been told why LE thinks Michelle is no longer alive. I'm not sure.

 

[yllek]

I think GE is highly suspicious. History of stalking. Sneaking inside someone's home and making bizarre statements. Blaming Michelle for her woes and, most significantly, publicly expressing open hatred (present tense) for a missing Michelle who is presumed dead...

I am curious to know how closely GE is being watched by LE; I'd bet very very closely. i think it's possible she lured Michelle out to the car under a false pretense, possibly using someone else's phone to text Michelle at work and pretending to be that other person. Why would Michelle need to make a quick run to her car in the midst of her work day? She clearly didn't expect to be gone for long at all; she left most personal belongings inside. I think she got a communication while working that lured her out to her car. I hope so, it might take a little time for LE to search the phone records of anyone who could have called/texted Michelle that day (from their own phone or someone else's), but at least it is traceable communication that could lead somewhere. I doubt the surveillance videos in the area captured anyone identifiable in relation to Michelle's car or that person would be in custody...

If GE is indeed a stalker, she knows routines, associates, and has no trouble accessing other people's property/devices for her own obsessive objectives. LE might be very confident about who caused Michelle's disappearance, but unable to prove it just yet. They would need to crack her alibi (if she has one), which is sometimes hard to do, but critical if they only have suspicions based on circumstantial evidence at this point . Seems GE herself admitted having a motive; she hates Michelle.

 

[i.b.nora]

I should add that on the news tonight, some searchers found some "suspect" articles which have been turned over to the police.

Didn't say what they were, and didn't say where they were found.