Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #6 *both parents arrested/charged*

[Laughing]

One year and crickets…

They hadn’t even made a pretense of caring about the children they adopted. IMO they probably figure they lost the other children they adopted so why bother? They don’t need to impress CPS to keep the money train going any more.

Happy Holidays to all here! It’s heartbreaking to know that Orson and Orrin won’t be celebrating.

IMHO the pandemic served these 'parents' well....

Orson & Orrin, Santa will find you! Santa loves rambunctious little kids!

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Knox]

I am interested in the CPS records. There had to be documented visits with the foster children in the home. And the transition specialists for the two boys. Even during the pandemic, CPS workers were doing "Facetime" visits with families and children. With direct visits if needed.

We've discussed this until we were blue in the face threads ago, but thank you for bringing it forward again.

The civil case filing states the West family had "two biological and four adopted children". It does not mention CPS failures in post-adoptive matters, only pre-adoptive. Such as not considering placing the boys with Grandma Pettus, fully vetting the Wests, improper training and oversight of CPS employees, ect.

Kern County will have their toes held to the fire in this case, no doubt. But it will be about the procedures they followed in removing, temporary placement, terminating parental rights, and vetting the West family. All just MOO.

I'm curious about RD, when contacted for a comment- she told the reporter "I have nothing to say to the public until my boys are found". I wonder if she will bring her own suit later?

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

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[mickey2942]

@Knox I thought two children were still foster care. Two biological children, two adopted, two fosters. But, who knows? Reporting now is mostly just repeating other reports. There really hasn't been comprehensive indepth coverage and analysis of this case, in comparison to the Daybell case.

 

[Knox]

@Knox I thought two children were still foster care. Two biological children, two adopted, two fosters. But, who knows? Reporting now is mostly just repeating other reports. There really hasn't been comprehensive indepth coverage and analysis of this case, in comparison to the Daybell case.

There were different statements made, specifically an interview with CalCity COP & Bayan Wang. But that was later clarified.

I assume the Beverly Hills attorneys who patted themselves on the back in that interview posted upstream (experts in cases like this). Did their due diligence when making that statement in the court filing?

ETA- I messaged Bayan and directly asked the question. If he replies, I'll post the answer.

 

[rosesfromangels]

If it hasn't been done already, (i certainly hope it has), forensics on the financials of the key players needs to be examined carefully. I'm particularly interested in understanding the timing and funding instruments for the home in Cal City. From the amateur armchair, the timing of the home purchase and the disappearance of the two children seems oddly coincidental.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Knox]

10:22 am
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Hi Bayan, thank you for continuing to cover this case. I have a follow up question to the one posed above. The civil suit recently filed states there are two bio-children and four adopted children. I assume the attorney's did their due diligence in making that statement. But did BPD ever clarify that to your knowledge?

2:21 pm
Bayan Wang Denver7
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Bayan Wang Denver7
I believe 2 bio and 4 adopted is correct

 

[Curious-A]

Woke up early this morning thinking about these precious little boys It just sickening that two children could just disappear, just like that, with no one held accountable/no arrests for more than a year. Jmo

 

[MoeInVA]

10:22 am
You sent
Hi Bayan, thank you for continuing to cover this case. I have a follow up question to the one posed above. The civil suit recently filed states there are two bio-children and four adopted children. I assume the attorney's did their due diligence in making that statement. But did BPD ever clarify that to your knowledge?

2:21 pm
Bayan Wang Denver7
Hi

Bayan Wang Denver7
I believe 2 bio and 4 adopted is correct

I agree with this. That said, it is not clear when the last pair was adopted and when CPS last checked in etc. For all we know, CPS may have had contact or some supervisory responsibility in the last year before the boys went missing.

So law enforcement was asked by media and did not confirm or deny that remains were found in November and tested against O and O Relatives?

 

[MoeInVA]

Looking for possible human remains from possibly early November, near ish to California City:

Victorville
Human bones found along dirt road in Victorville
70 miles, a little over an hour from Cal City
Found mid November no gender initially

Cerrito
Highway Patrol investigating skeletal human remains found in Cerritos
on ramp to highway
Skeletal
No age or gender as of 10/20/2021

 

[rosesfromangels]

California Department of Justice report on missing children, 2020:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/missing/children/ch-ann-reports-2020.pdf

Of the 65,202 missing children in California, only 30 are known stranger abductions, or 0.04601085856262078%.

In other words, while not impossible, it is *highly* unlikely the children were abducted by a stranger.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[cvaldez1975]

Looking for possible human remains from possibly early November, near ish to California City:

Victorville
Human bones found along dirt road in Victorville
70 miles, a little over an hour from Cal City
Found mid November no gender initially

Cerrito
Highway Patrol investigating skeletal human remains found in Cerritos
on ramp to highway
Skeletal
No age or gender as of 10/20/2021

Cerritos is pretty far and a long way through urban areas from CC. Also in CA a lot of the unhoused unfortunately live at entrances and interchanges.

 

[dulcinea]

When this case broke, I thought for sure there would be a resolution within a week. A year later I can't believe there is nothing. With statements about investigators visiting multiple states I am absolutely stumped as to what they believe happened or what theories they might be exploring. I really didn't (and still don't) think the answer is so complex, but I don't understand why it's proving to be this difficult to get even a simple answer or piece of evidence. There might be some things LE is choosing not to reveal, but I am not convinced they have much of anything. I don't get the impression the parents are criminal geniuses.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't get the impression the parents are criminal geniuses.

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Maybe the current status isn't so much a testimony to their (alleged) slight of hand, as it is a condemnation of our woefully underfunded and understaffed LE system.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[dulcinea]

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Maybe the current status isn't so much a testimony to their (alleged) slight of hand, as it is a condemnation of our woefully underfunded and understaffed LE system.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I agree there are issues with LE. However, after all of the time they've invested and supposedly all of the resources, certainly there should be even the tiniest something by now. If I am not mistaken, two departments (at least) have investigated and I don't know that either one has said/found very much.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I agree there are issues with LE. However, after all of the time they've invested and supposedly all of the resources, certainly there should be even the tiniest something by now. If I am not mistaken, two departments (at least) have investigated and I don't know that either one has said/found very much.

That we know of…
IMO, this is all about financial forensics

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[BoyThatsWeird]

California Department of Justice report on missing children, 2020:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/missing/children/ch-ann-reports-2020.pdf

Of the 65,202 missing children in California, only 30 are known stranger abductions, or 0.04601085856262078%.

In other words, while not impossible, it is *highly* unlikely the children were abducted by a stranger.

Amateur opinion and speculation

That is very interesting information. Thank you for sharing.

The Stranger Abduction is a little misleading IMO. It's classified as any witnessed abduction of a child by a stranger. While I'm not saying it's very likely, an actual stranger abduction could fall into many of those categories (Lost, Suspicious Circumstances, Unknown Circumstances, even a Runaway)

 

[rosesfromangels]

That is very interesting information. Thank you for sharing.

The Stranger Abduction is a little misleading IMO. It's classified as any witnessed abduction of a child by a stranger. While I'm not saying it's very likely, an actual stranger abduction could fall into many of those categories (Lost, Suspicious Circumstances, Unknown Circumstances, even a Runaway)

Even if you add those categories, the possibility is low. IMO.

 

[Laughing]

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Maybe the current status isn't so much a testimony to their (alleged) slight of hand, as it is a condemnation of our woefully underfunded and understaffed LE system.

Amateur opinion and speculation

bbm

Plus understaffed & underfunded social services IMHO.

Where are the rambunctious boys???

Heart is broken for the other 4 as well -- surely they know things we don't. That these 4 remain in State custody AFAIK is very telling IMHO.

jmho ymvv lrr

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I think all someone would have had to do is leave their phone at home, take the boys in a car that doesn't have a navigation system somewhere rural, and they likely wouldn't be found. LE might have no trail to follow. I'm sure they wish there was forensic evidence of what happened.

It really takes selfishness and darkness to cover up what happened to two vulnerable small boys. All IMO.