Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #12

[skibaboo]

I'd like to interject something that lands at random and is pretty hard to write about, but I think it's worth the trade off...

15 years ago, I was violently raped. When describing my attacker to the police, I really couldn't remember much at all. I literally remember during the attack thinking to myself to take in everything and remember it. But after it happened, I lost every bit of information I'd so carefully tried to take in. But I did remember he had very rounded fingernails and wore a shirt with light blue stitching around the top button hole.

The colour of his hair? Gone.
His facial features? Gone.

In later months, I would slowly and gradually get some information and details back, but some is gone forever.

I felt utterly useless in my descriptions to police.

I don't want Sherri to be called a liar simply because she only remembers earrings or eyebrows. I know people are working on theories and have doubts etc, but I think my point is that if this did happen to Sherri, the fact that she remembers minimal details doesn't negate her experience.

This case has taught me to be a bit kinder and a bit less vocal until I'm sure. I don't want others to feel the same sense that they've been cruel where they needn't have been.

Sorry for derailing whatever conversation has been going on while I write, but I feel quite strongly that a lack of detail does not always equate to a lack of truth.

:hug: So sorry to hear that Loz

 

[mrseeker]

I don't know how to delete the post below and don't want to break TOS if interpreted to be rumored. But it appears the report was to Redding PD. Has anyone seen a link to access their logs? It would've been 2 women who tased and punched a young woman at the dog park. Just think it could be relevant given the similarities. I know the sheriff stated that the 2 women were suspected in SP's abduction, so they're obviously involved. But what if they were "bottoms" to a trafficker and he was arrested. I would think the impending heat would be reason to release SP. JMO

if you pull up a day on the current logs that displayed, then change the date in url using the same date format it will show you that day. apparently they do not really remove the logs from past days but only display so many back.

 

[skibaboo]

I can't keep up. Has anyone made a poll yet on what the motive could be?
Here is what I am gathering are the most common suggestions:

1. Human Trafficking
2. Gangs/Cartel activity
3. Specifically targeted and taken for ransom
4. Personally targeted by someone she knows/knows her family

Anything I'm missing?

Specifically targeted/Hate crime?

Is that a possibility because I had that thought and now can't shake it

 

[IdeMae]

I'm still playing catch up on this thread, but to me the story is still muddled and confusing...I'm seeing several statements by the sheriff that contradictory. That may be because he's still trying to keep some jnformation under wraps? It's going to be a few hours before I can get this new info straight in my head.

❤

 

[sumzero]

I will bet that she does not speak or understand spanish which plays into the hands of whoever abducted her - they could have been talking about it the whole time and she would have no idea of what was said. Maybe the women don't speak English and she doesn't speak spanish. I am beginning to think (and my opinion only) that the 2 women were working under the direction of another or others and getting their orders through them. Figuring women dealing with a women would not point to "them". JMOO

I'm with you there. The "thick" accent of one of the women could mean the woman had difficulty communicating with Sherri in English. I also wonder if someone else was directing this operation. Do traffickers pay people to go out and abduct unsuspecting victims?

 

[Alexsea]

I'd like to interject something that lands at random and is pretty hard to write about, but I think it's worth the trade off...

15 years ago, I was violently raped. When describing my attacker to the police, I really couldn't remember much at all. I literally remember during the attack thinking to myself to take in everything and remember it. But after it happened, I lost every bit of information I'd so carefully tried to take in. But I did remember he had very rounded fingernails and wore a shirt with light blue stitching around the top button hole.

The colour of his hair? Gone.
His facial features? Gone.

In later months, I would slowly and gradually get some information and details back, but some is gone forever.

I felt utterly useless in my descriptions to police.

I don't want Sherri to be called a liar simply because she only remembers earrings or eyebrows. I know people are working on theories and have doubts etc, but I think my point is that if this did happen to Sherri, the fact that she remembers minimal details doesn't negate her experience.

This case has taught me to be a bit kinder and a bit less vocal until I'm sure. I don't want others to feel the same sense that they've been cruel where they needn't have been.

Sorry for derailing whatever conversation has been going on while I write, but I feel quite strongly that a lack of detail does not always equate to a lack of truth.

You are my hero. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing the perspective of someone who has had this experience with the rest of us.


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[Iona]

Burka. I couldn't think of the right word when I posted lol

lol!!! I thought that was what you meant! But ,I had a good laugh at the responding post![emoji2] We need that sometimes! It is serious business here, make no mistake about that, but it so good to just laugh, and not take ourselves SO serious! Thanks!

 

[pineappleexpress]

Someone earlier mentioned the Kibby case. He abducted a teenage girl, held her for nine months, voluntarily let her go, threatened to kill her and her family if she ratted him out to the police. After her release, she did initially lie about the description of the perp out of fear. When she finally identified her attacker, a lot of people assumed she was lying. Kibby was arrested and pleaded guilty.

I personally don't believe I would lie to LE, but if I was held for 3 weeks (or 9 months), there's no telling what my frame of mind might be after that type of trauma, esp if I thought my children could be at risk. So I'll never say never.

(I would hope that after I had a bit of time to heal, I would realize that my best chance at safety - mine and my family's - would be to work with LE to be sure the perps are apprehended.)

I lied to my family, friends, ER nurses/doctors, and LE for years with my EX. I was scared, ashamed, and embarrassed. I still have only told a few stories (10 years later) to my brother about what happened for years. I wasn't kidnapped or anything to this extent, but speaking from my view point that is why I didn't say what was happening or want help. Even though people knew the last few years.

 

[skibaboo]

I don't know how to delete the post below and don't want to break TOS if interpreted to be rumored. But it appears the report was to Redding PD. Has anyone seen a link to access their logs? It would've been 2 women who tased and punched a young woman at the dog park. Just think it could be relevant given the similarities. I know the sheriff stated that the 2 women were suspected in SP's abduction, so they're obviously involved. But what if they were "bottoms" to a trafficker and he was arrested. I would think the impending heat would be reason to release SP. JMO

I'm looking but here you go

11th http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-11-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2
12th http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-12-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

 

[Elle*Bee]

I'd like to interject something that lands at random and is pretty hard to write about, but I think it's worth the trade off...

15 years ago, I was violently raped. When describing my attacker to the police, I really couldn't remember much at all. I literally remember during the attack thinking to myself to take in everything and remember it. But after it happened, I lost every bit of information I'd so carefully tried to take in. But I did remember he had very rounded fingernails and wore a shirt with light blue stitching around the top button hole.

The colour of his hair? Gone.
His facial features? Gone.

In later months, I would slowly and gradually get some information and details back, but some is gone forever.

I felt utterly useless in my descriptions to police.

I don't want Sherri to be called a liar simply because she only remembers earrings or eyebrows. I know people are working on theories and have doubts etc, but I think my point is that if this did happen to Sherri, the fact that she remembers minimal details doesn't negate her experience.

This case has taught me to be a bit kinder and a bit less vocal until I'm sure. I don't want others to feel the same sense that they've been cruel where they needn't have been.

Sorry for derailing whatever conversation has been going on while I write, but I feel quite strongly that a lack of detail does not always equate to a lack of truth.

Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry you experienced that. My husband is former LE and he has said that despite our best attempts to the contrary, one can never predict what the brain will choose to remember particularly under extreme duress.

 

[creepcrusher]

I am really confused in any of my possible theories now if there were only the 2 women during the entire 3 weeks.

I had assumed that although it was women that picked up and dropped her off that there others involved in her imprisonment and torture.

What the heck was going on!!!

That was the question I wish someone had asked LE during the press conference. I personally believe there were more involved in her "abuse" maybe not her capture. I can't believe nobody asked that. I DO think if it had been asked the sheriff would say, "I'm not going to comment on that." In one of his recent past interviews, he slipped and said the word , "group" regarding the people that had her. It may have been one from yesterday. Does anybody else remember him say that? To me a group is usually more than two.


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[steelman]

From what I can gather, the only point of that press conference was to spread the word that there is two hispanic females involved, one younger, one older. That's it.

They are attempting to jog peoples memories about two females who disappeared and then re-appeared for three weeks right around Thanksgiving. The key information given out was the grey hair on the older female.

The problem with that theory (and I don't want to compromise the sheriffs investigation) , is that these two women could have had her stored in a regular residential home and gone about their daily lives as if nothing was amiss. One stayed there, then the other one left for awhile. Sometimes they were both there, sometimes only one. To a casual observer, it would look like a totally normal lifestyle and routine. These two may have even gone to regular jobs during all of this. Maybe they do have a dark SUV parked out in front of the house, but it couldn't be them because.......well, because they were just going about their normal routines everyday. They were visible.

The point being, if all that LE is going to do is release tiny little droplets of information in an attempt to pick up leads, then this thing is going to drag on forever. These two individuals live right there in their midst. I think this may boil down to some kind of a jealousy issue brought on by social media or casual contact and Sherri and her husband may not have even realized it was a festering problem.

Someone mentioned earlier that Sherri wasn't able to pick out the vehicle she was abducted in from surveillance videos. Easy enough, it could have been two different vehicles involved. She was abducted in one model of vehicle, and released in a different model. BTW---there are things known as garages and backyard carports where vehicles can be hidden from view.

 

[mrseeker]

Thick accent is in the ear of the listener. thick and thin eyebrows and younger and older are all subjective terms. One suspect was female between 20-25 long brown curly hair...would be less subjective...but I am not an experience law enforcement official, so what do I know?

 

[Inthedetails]

I can't keep up. Has anyone made a poll yet on what the motive could be?
Here is what I am gathering are the most common suggestions:

1. Human Trafficking
2. Gangs/Cartel activity
3. Specifically targeted and taken for ransom
4. Personally targeted by someone she knows/knows her family

Anything I'm missing?

I'm thinking #4....but I've been dreadfully wrong so far on this case.

jmo

 

[cvaldez1975]

same w jaycee dugard

When Elizabeth Smart was approached by a couple cops she initially lied and told them the made-up name she was given by her captors. It wasn't until the cops got her alone and made her understand she was really safe that she finally said her real name. (source: her book).

 

[lilacstarz]

So when these abductors were beating her they were masked the entire three weeks? Just surprised the police haven't released any more details.

Seems like if there are a gang of latina women abducting strangers from jogging, they'd want to get out a very detailed description of anything (height, weight) to prevent future women who may be in danger of being kidnapped.

 

[Lilibet]

I'd like to interject something that lands at random and is pretty hard to write about, but I think it's worth the trade off...

15 years ago, I was violently raped. When describing my attacker to the police, I really couldn't remember much at all. I literally remember during the attack thinking to myself to take in everything and remember it. But after it happened, I lost every bit of information I'd so carefully tried to take in. But I did remember he had very rounded fingernails and wore a shirt with light blue stitching around the top button hole.

The colour of his hair? Gone.
His facial features? Gone.

In later months, I would slowly and gradually get some information and details back, but some is gone forever.

I felt utterly useless in my descriptions to police.

I don't want Sherri to be called a liar simply because she only remembers earrings or eyebrows. I know people are working on theories and have doubts etc, but I think my point is that if this did happen to Sherri, the fact that she remembers minimal details doesn't negate her experience.

This case has taught me to be a bit kinder and a bit less vocal until I'm sure. I don't want others to feel the same sense that they've been cruel where they needn't have been.

Sorry for derailing whatever conversation has been going on while I write, but I feel quite strongly that a lack of detail does not always equate to a lack of truth.

Hugs! :heartbeat: I'm so sorry this happened to you LozDa, but yay you for even trying to take note of details during this ordeal. I totally understand why you would forget. My understanding just comes from playing stupid baby shower games where you write down as many items as you can remember from a tray of baby stuff passed around. Not much!

I hope he was caught and I hope you have recovered as much as possible.

 

[Iona]

Thank you yes, that is what I meant. I didn't want to offend anyone. Appreciate that, thank you.

No problem, I am a fan of you from way back![emoji2]

 

[natsound]

natsound, I listened to both video's again and I believe his second comment (NBC interview) he was referring to it being more symbolic versus an actual symbol.

He made it clear as mud... :waitasec:

 

[luckylis]

He was responding to the fact that people were subjecting his family to social media abuse, especially people who were claiming the whole thing was a hoax. The description of her injuries helps to refute those claims. I don't think his intent was to help people solve the crime, other than to keep them from wasting time pursuing ridiculous theories.

He also thanked law enforcement agencies. So his statement wasn't just about rebutting rumors.

Honestly, if KP wants privacy, he needs to STAY AWAY from the news and social media. You can't control others actions, only what you CHOOSE to view and your reaction to it. I know, I get it, it's hard for him. But he should view banning social media in his life for a while as part of his wife's healing process. No talk from family either about it. I don't blame the media, they've ALWAYS been like this. They're trying to do a job, which is bringing in ratings. He needs to just ban it for a while.