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As far as I know we are not allowed to try and convince others. We're entitled to our opinion, though. Basically, no reasons can be given.
Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #12
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As far as I know we are not allowed to try and convince others. We're entitled to our opinion, though. Basically, no reasons can be given.
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The only thing that proves, is that if anybody tries anything that dumb, they will get caught immediately.
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I guess we'll find out on Friday. In his position, I'd be very wary about appearing on TV. He will have no control over now they edit the four hours of filmed interview they did. There's too much room for further compromising the investigation.
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Excellent post
I see many people objecting to Keith making a statement regarding SP's horrific treatment at the hands of her two abductors. I disagree. Here we are on what is almost certainly the most well moderated board discussing this case and I've seen literally hundreds of posts claiming the abduction was a hoax or scam; either for "" money or some other equally questionable form of compensation.
Lets look at the facts to date:
1. The family feared abduction due to what they claimed was Sherri's devotion to her children and SP+KP's happy marriage. Rumors of murder or hoax swirl. FACT: Confirmed as an abduction.
2. The father-in-law led the charge to clear KP's name from the rumors swirling around claiming he was responsible and may have murdered SP by detailing Keith's cooperation and the exculpatory evidence in his favor, which was picked up and reported in the media. FACT: following the media outrage that erupted the Sheriff office had to admit that they had no evidence connecting Keith to the crime and that he had passed a polygraph.
3. In a desperate attempt to try to get Sherri released, the family cooperated with a hostage negotiator retained by the anonymous donor who put up $50k. The family had already raised $50k within hours of Sherri being abducted for information leading to her release. As the deadline for the reverse ransom approached, both the family and hostage negotiator went public that if the deadline was passed all of the funds to date plus additional funds from the account would be used for rewards to anyone that would provide information that would lead to SP's freedom. FACT: within 48 hours of those statements Sherri Papini was released alive and heavily battered but "hoax claim's swirl again".
Sherri Papini's release very arguably had nothing to do with law enforcement's efforts and everything to do with the action's taken by the family, the public via social media and canvassing posters throughout the state, the news network reports, the anonymous donor and Cameron Gamble.
4. The Sheriff makes a statement comparing Sherri's hospital treatment and release to a sprained ankle, downplaying the severity of her injuries. To counter it KP releases a bare minimum of facts, confirming the "heavily battered" condition reported by the CHP and adds basically one shocking detail: that Sherri had been branded. FACT: The Sheriff immediately complains that Keith Papini has compromised the investigation by releasing the branded detail but the Sheriff himself goes even farther and reveals that the branding was not of a symbol or merely a contact wound, but a message of some sort branded onto Sherri.
In my opinion, nothing has been compromised on this case except the ability to more easily disclude any kooks who may come forward claiming to be an abductor. No evidence not already known by the abductors was released by KP or the family. There are those that believe that LE has a right to clamp a cone of silence over every aspect of a case. There are others that believe the public has a right to know every detail. The truth most likely lies somewhere in between where enough evidence is released to prevent innocent people, like KP or SP from being persecuted by the public.
A few closing thoughts:
I believe, but obviously can't be certain, that the abduction of SP is sex-trafficking related. For those that argue Sherri doesn't fit the profile due to age, marital status, and motherhood I would argue that she doesn't look her age and the abductor's likely had no idea of her identity, age or marital status.
I believe there were no outside motives; grudges, debts, etc. that precipitated SP's abduction. No facts supporting such an allegation have been made public. As the Sheriff stated, the Papini's are of modest means, SP has spent the last 5 years of her life working, being pregnant, and having two children. KP has a good steady job, no misdemeanors or felonies. Both have spotless enough records to be issued CCW permits in California with the pre-requisite state and federal record checks and finger-printing.
As previously stated I believe it was the media attention and reward offers that caused SP to be released, plus perhaps she was able to psychologically persuade one or both during her imprisonment. Hopefully the perpetrators will be caught and we will get more answers.
I do not believe any reward or ransom was paid for Sherri's release. Cameron Gamble has stated none was paid publicly. Unless you have proof a reward was, the only evidence we have is one was not paid. I also don't think calling 911 while driving past Sherri at 65mph qualifies you for one. The fact is, at that point in time Sherri had already obtained her freedom on her own. Even the trucker that stopped and assisted her isn't entitled to it, the reward was for her release and freedom, not for providing a blanket and some comforting words while waiting for the CHP to arrive. Should either of these people receive some stipend for their kind actions? In my mind yes, but certainly nowhere near what some have suggested..
I also don't feel the November 22nd purported sighting at the truck stop was accurate. No mention of a broken nose or facial bruising was made.
I wish Sherri and her family all the best while they try to recover from this traumatic experience and hope they and their children have the merriest of Christmases.
Lets look at the facts to date:
1. The family feared abduction due to what they claimed was Sherri's devotion to her children and SP+KP's happy marriage. Rumors of murder or hoax swirl. FACT: Confirmed as an abduction.
2. The father-in-law led the charge to clear KP's name from the rumors swirling around claiming he was responsible and may have murdered SP by detailing Keith's cooperation and the exculpatory evidence in his favor, which was picked up and reported in the media. FACT: following the media outrage that erupted the Sheriff office had to admit that they had no evidence connecting Keith to the crime and that he had passed a polygraph.
3. In a desperate attempt to try to get Sherri released, the family cooperated with a hostage negotiator retained by the anonymous donor who put up $50k. The family had already raised $50k within hours of Sherri being abducted for information leading to her release. As the deadline for the reverse ransom approached, both the family and hostage negotiator went public that if the deadline was passed all of the funds to date plus additional funds from the account would be used for rewards to anyone that would provide information that would lead to SP's freedom. FACT: within 48 hours of those statements Sherri Papini was released alive and heavily battered but "hoax claim's swirl again".
Sherri Papini's release very arguably had nothing to do with law enforcement's efforts and everything to do with the action's taken by the family, the public via social media and canvassing posters throughout the state, the news network reports, the anonymous donor and Cameron Gamble.
4. The Sheriff makes a statement comparing Sherri's hospital treatment and release to a sprained ankle, downplaying the severity of her injuries. To counter it KP releases a bare minimum of facts, confirming the "heavily battered" condition reported by the CHP and adds basically one shocking detail: that Sherri had been branded. FACT: The Sheriff immediately complains that Keith Papini has compromised the investigation by releasing the branded detail but the Sheriff himself goes even farther and reveals that the branding was not of a symbol or merely a contact wound, but a message of some sort branded onto Sherri.
In my opinion, nothing has been compromised on this case except the ability to more easily disclude any kooks who may come forward claiming to be an abductor. No evidence not already known by the abductors was released by KP or the family. There are those that believe that LE has a right to clamp a cone of silence over every aspect of a case. There are others that believe the public has a right to know every detail. The truth most likely lies somewhere in between where enough evidence is released to prevent innocent people, like KP or SP from being persecuted by the public.
A few closing thoughts:
I believe, but obviously can't be certain, that the abduction of SP is sex-trafficking related. For those that argue Sherri doesn't fit the profile due to age, marital status, and motherhood I would argue that she doesn't look her age and the abductor's likely had no idea of her identity, age or marital status.
I believe there were no outside motives; grudges, debts, etc. that precipitated SP's abduction. No facts supporting such an allegation have been made public. As the Sheriff stated, the Papini's are of modest means, SP has spent the last 5 years of her life working, being pregnant, and having two children. KP has a good steady job, no misdemeanors or felonies. Both have spotless enough records to be issued CCW permits in California with the pre-requisite state and federal record checks and finger-printing.
As previously stated I believe it was the media attention and reward offers that caused SP to be released, plus perhaps she was able to psychologically persuade one or both during her imprisonment. Hopefully the perpetrators will be caught and we will get more answers.
I do not believe any reward or ransom was paid for Sherri's release. Cameron Gamble has stated none was paid publicly. Unless you have proof a reward was, the only evidence we have is one was not paid. I also don't think calling 911 while driving past Sherri at 65mph qualifies you for one. The fact is, at that point in time Sherri had already obtained her freedom on her own. Even the trucker that stopped and assisted her isn't entitled to it, the reward was for her release and freedom, not for providing a blanket and some comforting words while waiting for the CHP to arrive. Should either of these people receive some stipend for their kind actions? In my mind yes, but certainly nowhere near what some have suggested..
I also don't feel the November 22nd purported sighting at the truck stop was accurate. No mention of a broken nose or facial bruising was made.
I wish Sherri and her family all the best while they try to recover from this traumatic experience and hope they and their children have the merriest of Christmases.
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Mahalo. I don't know I'm with you I'm troubled by being taken and released, among KP saying "bring her home, bring her home, bring her home." I feel he knew who he was talking too, and it wasn't two Hispanic women.
Was there something SP was up too? JMHO .... I'm troubled by all the answers KP seems to have. Mods, let me explain please. I read but don't post very often.
KP seems to have answers to a lot of questions the public has JMHO, WHY? HOW?
I know I'd be a wreck if my husband, or my niece (she lives with us and goes to UH) if either one was missing. I meditate and am usually can stay poised but a
Loved One Missing would probably make me go ballistic.
There is something off here, something we are missing.
Was there a boyfriend before KP, or during her first marriage. ... I don't know, something is just off.
JMHO
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It's not a part of the church though.
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<modsnip> Do you think that's what happened to this 34 year old woman? Some guy pulled over while she was jogging and asked if she needed a place to stay, and she said "sure", and jumped in his car?
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Sounds bizarre, I agree. I just think it's suspicious how CG inserted himself into this case. And his promotional video is disturbing and creepy in light of SP's ordeal. There's an abundance of grandiosity bordering on magical thinking swirling around this story. Moo
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It's late and I may be confused, but, if the monies for the ransom were donated, and the ransom was not paid, and then the donor(s) said to give the monies that were raised, to the Ps, then there's nothing to track. You are allowed to donate money to fundraising efforts.
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I can't help but wonder if the anonymous donor and his money ever existed. Like the imaginary lyrics appearing on the wall, it may have only existed in CG's head. For his own self-aggrandizement, hostages need to be taken at regular intervals. Yeah, I just don't trust the guy. He's absolutely sketchy.
I'm a firm believer in the value of everyone, children, men, women, the elderly, and everyone in between being able to enhance their abilities to defend themselves against any/all evildoers, but one particular portion of CG's Vimeo video that I wasn't a fan of was the implied suggestion that the successful abilty to 'save' oneself from imminent danger is almost dependant on him.
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I just want to insert a teeny bit of logic about the human trafficking theory. First I want to say I 100% believe SP could easily be trafficked.
The growers in the hills take captives for this. I don't have an article to link readily, but in the past 28 days I've definitely read a few stories, blogs and tweets about it. The girls (and boys) are typically drawn to do the clipping for easy cash. But if your a little bit pretty you have more value in other ways besides clipping. When they are done with you, they don't release you. They kill you.
If you peek around the escort section of craigslist (not recommended for the faint of heart), then read articles (they are available via Google) from girls/women who got out you will see that generally 2-3 people hold captive 1-2 girls for YEARS and brand them with a hard-to-hide tattoo, sexually peddle them, sell them, but never ever ever let them out of their sights while they 'own' them. Some girls/boys get away under extenuating circumstances, but usually they just get used up.
And if they're monitored 24/7, who are they going to ask for help from, a jon? Those creepers know exactly the situation, and they're counting on not getting caught. They aren't going to say a word or they won't get future service, iykwim.
Most of these missing youths never ever reappear in society, not counting the ones who got away somehow. Yes, maybe a few are released after their income potential diminishes, but where are the rest?
My logic insertion is this.... In the case of SP... If they thought she was traffickable, it could be that they got mad when they realized her age after abduction and didn't want her. Still, I honestly doubt they would have spent all of their precious time torturing her. I think they just would have killed her and buried her in the woods.
And if they took her for any other reason than the one we don't yet know about, I think they would have just killed her well before risking being caught with her.
And with all the national coverage, they took great risk by releasing her. They could have easily killed her, buried her, and went on about their lives and probably gotten away with it.
Therefore, I don't believe this is a case of potential trafficking. I think this is a targeted message of hate. SP may not even be the target, just the messenger. Someone(s) is very angry and hateful, and I think this is a hate crime meant to hurt whomever the message is for, and all who surround that person. I think we will see another "message" find its way into their world at some point. JMO
The growers in the hills take captives for this. I don't have an article to link readily, but in the past 28 days I've definitely read a few stories, blogs and tweets about it. The girls (and boys) are typically drawn to do the clipping for easy cash. But if your a little bit pretty you have more value in other ways besides clipping. When they are done with you, they don't release you. They kill you.
If you peek around the escort section of craigslist (not recommended for the faint of heart), then read articles (they are available via Google) from girls/women who got out you will see that generally 2-3 people hold captive 1-2 girls for YEARS and brand them with a hard-to-hide tattoo, sexually peddle them, sell them, but never ever ever let them out of their sights while they 'own' them. Some girls/boys get away under extenuating circumstances, but usually they just get used up.
And if they're monitored 24/7, who are they going to ask for help from, a jon? Those creepers know exactly the situation, and they're counting on not getting caught. They aren't going to say a word or they won't get future service, iykwim.
Most of these missing youths never ever reappear in society, not counting the ones who got away somehow. Yes, maybe a few are released after their income potential diminishes, but where are the rest?
My logic insertion is this.... In the case of SP... If they thought she was traffickable, it could be that they got mad when they realized her age after abduction and didn't want her. Still, I honestly doubt they would have spent all of their precious time torturing her. I think they just would have killed her and buried her in the woods.
And if they took her for any other reason than the one we don't yet know about, I think they would have just killed her well before risking being caught with her.
And with all the national coverage, they took great risk by releasing her. They could have easily killed her, buried her, and went on about their lives and probably gotten away with it.
Therefore, I don't believe this is a case of potential trafficking. I think this is a targeted message of hate. SP may not even be the target, just the messenger. Someone(s) is very angry and hateful, and I think this is a hate crime meant to hurt whomever the message is for, and all who surround that person. I think we will see another "message" find its way into their world at some point. JMO
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I don't think she was targeted for sex trafficking. That's all I'm saying. Kidnapping someone is risky. There are easier ways to find young girls.
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