Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #13

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Rocco said:
So we have a broken nose, spitting up blood, burns, a rash, extensive bruising in various stages of resolution, and a weight loss of 13-18 lbs. She's checked out at the hospital and not admitted so apparently when they did her lab work, everything must have checked out sufficiently and she did not require IV fluids to hydrate her, no need for any electrolytes, no need for any glucose, no need to culture and/or treat the rash or wounds. All the lab work up (and probably x-rays) showed she was good to go. That's just dog gone amazing considering all that trauma and the drastic weight loss.
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I agree with the assumption that she needed IV fluids. With that kind of weight loss, it's highly likely she was dehydrated. However, it doesn't take long at all to drop a bag or two of fluid. Took my son to emergency and I no longer remember if it was one bag or two, but we were out of there in under 2 hours. Very routine procedure for them.

If the nose was indeed broken at the time when she was tossed from the vehicle, then, of course, there would be blood.

The weight loss in concerning, but if everything checked out, I don't see why they would hold her.
 
I never post articles that don't have anything to do with the actual person in the thread, but I came across this and am just sharing it for information. I also don't know why I have to give a disclaimer to all my posts. haha.
I've been reading since the start and can't recall if this has been posted. I would assume it has but since I actually read this article, a few things jumped out at me. PLEASE understand that I am not saying this is what happened or wanting to stir up another round of "debate" about this. If you read the article, the men weren't just "grabbed", as may be the case with SP. I don't even know what to think anymore and I have sat here debating posting this. Heck, I don't even know if the quote thing I did works or what I'm doing. But regardless, I feel it ties with some recent discussions. I wish I could just copy and paste the whole article as I found it rather interesting .... and so many more things I want to say....

For what it's worth...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...ing-calaveras-county-20160922-snap-story.html
(By the way, this is about 2 hours southeast of Yolo County, according to a very general county-to-county google map.)

The Calaveras County Sheriff’s Department this week(September) announced the arrest of two women. Guadalupe “Lupe” Arrellano, 43, and Medarda “Daniella” Urbieta Estudillo, 34, were arrested Sept. 14 in Modesto and charged with human trafficking, kidnapping, battery with serious bodily injury, making terrorist threats and drug charges, authorities said.
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Arrellano got the men’s home address in Modesto and went to the residence, where she told family members that the two were working for her on a marijuana farm. She offered to take two more relatives to the site, but told them that if they said anything to law enforcement, their family members would be killed, according to the sheriff’s office.
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The four men, whose names have not been released, were kept in squalid conditions, sleeping on cots outdoors. They were severely beaten for complaining about the conditions.
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On a side note, this popped up locally today:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...juana-during-traffic-stop-in-sterling-heights

Police in Sterling Heights recovered approximately 200 pounds of illegal marijuana making its way from California to Michigan during a traffic stop Wednesday afternoon.
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If the cellphone was planted by the perpetrator, as has been suggested, there'd be DNA and fingerprints on it that don't match Sherri or anyone else who'd have contact with her phone. But I'm venturing a guess they'll find no such evidence.
 
I am new to this case, and from I am reading and diagnosing so far; this does not seem right?

Why would her captors drop her off? Surely they would of kept her and/or killed her?

I agree with the LE, what is the motive?
 
I've been lurking mostly reading all the posts. It's crazy at work and I am several pages behind, so I apologize I'm so late to the game on the hospitalization/injury issue, but I wanted to add a few things from a Trauma level, orthopedic level, and surgery level...as an RN.

- Weight loss and dehydration - the weight wasn't lost overnight and would not be gained back in a few days of hospitalization. Being home (or somewhere safe), resting, being offered food she likes will help her regain the weight. Labs would reveal hydration status (via electrolyte panels and renal panels) and fluids can be bolused in the ED. A dangerous electrolyte imbalance would most likely cause an overnight stay for observation as electrolytes are replaced. Mild imbalances can be replaced in the ED.
- Battery - as long as testing (Sono, CT, MRI, etc) reveal no internal injuries and no RISKS of internal or extremity injuries (think, for examples: fractured rib risking puncturing of lung; bone fracture risking blood vessels; swelling risking nerve damage or blood supply, etc) you will be discharged home. It takes time for tissue to heal, fluid from swelling to reabsorb, and old blood from bruising to reabsorb, and a person won't look too much better just from a short hospital stay. Home, elevation, ice, and NSAIDs will help those injuries.
- Broken noses, jaws, or other common fractures - often these are too swollen to do surgery right away. Sometimes surgery is delayed a week to 10 days to allow swelling to disperse. If the swelling or injury risks the airway, you will be hospitalized.
-A Branding - this is so unfortunate; however, it's done, so going from there...scabs are not good in burns because they will leave a worse scar. We like a nice smooth ointment like silvadene (worse cases - daily debridement on newer burns) protecting the new pink granulation tissue that is regenerating and showing healing. **But keep this in mind, in scarification (body modification- branding) they LIKE the scarring and will do things to keep the burns irritated, such as peeling scabs, even putting citric acid, vinegar, salt, etc, in the burns to promote worse scarring...for months. The fact the brand in this case was said (by hubby) to have palpable scabbing, luck is on her side, because measures could have been taken, if the perpetrators desired, to keep that burn wound irritated, festering, and non-scabbing (not in a good way) causing a MUCH worse scar. I'm not by any means trying to play down or reduce the horror of being branded and the pain inflicted, I'm just saying things could have been done to make it a whole lot worse as far as recovery, removal, etc.

And remember this, please. Rape, sexual assault, whatever it is called in your state, can be committed against you by your same gender. And it includes foreign objects, which can do much more external and internal damage than a natural body part. I've read in posts here about no mention of a male so rape can be excluded, but we cannot make that assumption. The humiliation and terror of being forced to act or have an act forced on you, sexually, no matter the gender, is about power and control. I've seen some things I cannot unsee. Sensitivity is upmost regarding this subject. We cannot assume anything. Several of you here have shared your stories of assault and I commend you for sharing. Thank you so much for allowing us to learn from your stories and trusting us to treat you with compassion. I, too, have my own story, which led me into nursing, but I haven't the courage to share as yet.

Sorry so long, and thanks for giving me a voice here!
 
90hrsleep said:
For those who were inquiring SP worked for AT&T mobile... although i dont know if she was still employed there. I would guess BB had a Kiosk in it... maybe thats where the rekindled high school romance began...
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<modsnip>Whats your source for confirming that she works or worked for AT&T?
 
Philigumbo said:
I've been lurking mostly reading all the posts. It's crazy at work and I am several pages behind, so I apologize I'm so late to the game on the hospitalization/injury issue, but I wanted to add a few things from a Trauma level, orthopedic level, and surgery level...as an RN.

- Weight loss and dehydration - the weight wasn't loss overnight and would not be gained back in a few days of hospitalization. Being home (or somewhere safe), resting, being offered food she likes will help regain her the weight. Labs would reveal hydration status (via electrolyte panels and renal panels) and fluids can be bolused in the ED. A dangerous electrolyte imbalance would most likely cause an overnight stay for observation as electrolytes are replaced. Mild imbalances can be replaced in the ED.
- Battery - as long as testing (Sono, CT, MRI, etc) reveal no internal injuries and no RISKS of internal or extremity injuries (think, for examples: fractured rib risking puncturing of lung; bone fracture risking blood vessels; swelling risking nerve damage or blood supply, etc) you will be discharged home. It takes time for tissue to heal, fluid from swelling to reabsorb, and old blood from bruising to reabsorb, and a person won't look too much better just from a short hospital stay. Home, elevation, ice, and NSAIDs will help those injuries.
- Broken noses, jaws, or other common fractures - often these are too swollen to do surgery right away. Sometimes surgery is delayed a week to 10 days to allow swelling to disperse. If the swelling or injury risks the airway, you will be hospitalized.
-A Branding - this is so unfortunate; however, it's done, so going from there...scabs are not good in burns because they will leave a worse scar. We like a nice smooth ointment like silvadene (worse cases - daily debridement on newer burns) protecting the new pink granulation tissue that is regenerating and showing healing. **But keep this in mind, in scarification (body modification- branding) they LIKE the scarring and will do things to keep the burns irritated, such as peeling scabs, even putting citric acid, vinegar, salt, etc, in the burns to promote worse scarring...for months. The fact the brand in this case was said (by hubby) to have palpable scabbing, luck is on her side, because measures could have been taken, if the perpetrators desired, to keep that burn wound irritated, festering, and non-scabbing (not in a good way) causing a MUCH worse scar. I'm not by any means trying to play down or reduce the horror of being branded and the pain inflicted, I'm just saying things could have been done to make it a whole lot worse as far as recovery, removal, etc.

And remember this, please. Rape, sexual assault, whatever it is called in your state, can be committed against you by your same gender. And it includes foreign objects, which can do much more external and internal damage than a natural body part. I've read in posts here about no mention of a male so rape can be excluded, but we cannot make that assumption. The humiliation and terror of being forced to act or have an act forced on you, sexually, no matter the gender, is about power and control. I've seen some things I cannot unsee. Sensitivity is upmost regarding this subject. We cannot assume anything. Several of you here have shared your stories of assault and I commend you for sharing. Thank you so much for allowing us to learn from your stories and trusting us to treat you with compassion. I, too, have my own story, which led me into nursing, but I haven't the courage to share as yet.

Sorry so long, and thanks for giving me a voice here!
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Thank you for this great post. I went into health for similar reasons.
 
tbum said:
I read the linked article and didn't see a reference to Sherri and a lie detector test. Did I miss it?
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It's under one of the photos

Police say Sherri and Keith Papini have each passed a polygraph test.
 
Curious, I'd love to see a show of hands of all those who had to actually DO LIFE today and seriously do not have the time or the sanity left, to actually read every single post in the last thread and the new thread, before you just skipped to "last page".

I know I'm not the only one. Right? :thinking:
 
I absolutely do not understand the problem with the phrase "signature" long hair. That is exactly the way I would describe it. It takes a fair bit of work to maintain such long hair, and it's in every picture. It's clearly remarkable. I'm just baffled as to why people would have a problem with that phrase, frankly.

And the most available photos of her were initially her wedding photos from 2009. It's entirely natural that they would get a lot of exposure. There are also quite a number of photos of her with her kids, which are obviously recent. Again, I'm baffled as to why people think this is significant.

And while I'm at it, the woman who zoomed by her at 70 miles per hour. Who cares what she said? It's irrelevant. Unreliable witness. Multiple LE were there. There's no way they don't know how long her hair was.
 
Ontario Mom said:
Curious, I'd love to see a show of hands of all those who had to actually DO LIFE today and seriously do not have the time or the sanity left, to actually read every single post in the last thread and the new thread, before you just skipped to "last page".

I know I'm not the only one. Right? :thinking:
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Gardenista said:
First I've heard that Sherri passed a lie detector too.
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I had to read the linked article twice to see that bit about the LDTs.

It isn't in the main article text, but I see it now in small font underneath a photo of the Papinis.

The 'source' for that information is listed as 'no source'. Weird.
 
Ontario Mom said:
Curious, I'd love to see a show of hands of all those who had to actually DO LIFE today and seriously do not have the time or the sanity left, to actually read every single post in the last thread and the new thread, before you just skipped to "last page".

I know I'm not the only one. Right? :thinking:
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:wave: yep. I try to hit every few pages or so in case something happened in the middle..but yeah... First, middle and last... Just like high school book reports.
 
AceDetective said:
I absolutely do not understand the problem with the phrase "signature" long hair. That is exactly the way I would describe it. It takes a fair bit of work to maintain such long hair, and it's in every picture. It's clearly remarkable. I'm just baffled as to why people would have a problem with that phrase, frankly.

And the most available photos of her were initially her wedding photos from 2009. It's entirely natural that they would get a lot of exposure. There are also quite a number of photos of her with her kids, which are obviously recent. Again, I'm baffled as to why people think this is significant.

And while I'm at it, the woman who zoomed by her at 70 miles per hour. Who cares what she said? It's irrelevant. Unreliable witness. Multiple LE were there. There's no way they don't know how long her hair was.
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It's almost like this strange phenom of questioning literally everything, that everyone says, has taken hold. I have "signature" long, dark, curly, insane hair. Everyone that knows me, every picture of me, displays my "signature" long, dark curly, insane hair. It's what people would immediately recognize me by. It's not an issue.

Oh, and for the record, I also have thin eye brows and pierced ears. But not a heavy accent. No relation, I assure you.
 
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