Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #19

[BlueAlice]

At the time of the abduction, Sherri would have seen the vehicle either entering Sunrise from OOT or coming upon her from Sunrise heading toward OOT. She would have seen the vehicle, and the abductors. IF the vehicle approached from Sunrise, that would be a good indication that she was being stalked....and that the car had been in her neighborhood or on her road, Sunburst. I see that homes are far apart, but I'd expect that a number of residences DO have surveillance cams, given the remoteness of the area.
Also, I think that it is possible that the estimation of 2.5 hours could have been made in retrospect.....after realizing upon release that she was 150 mi from home and deducing that the long first drive was how long it takes to drive from Redding to Yolo area.

I also wonder why, if this was an organized abduction crew, that they hadn't bothered to invest in handcuffs, instead of rigging up the ridiculous gizmos they had to hold her in captivity. (and leg restraints, too)....JMO

Maybe they don't want to have suspicion-provoking items such as handcuffs around. If that's the case, it would make sense to use tools of their trade, as someone suggested earlier. Being pulled over with a duffle bag full of hancuffs and leg irons, etc., never looks good! But if you're a boat mechanic, hoses and clamps are just your work tools.

Where would these kinds of items be purchased? Is there a store in Redding?

SKs usually 'work' close to home, and usually stalk their victims first, but not always. If they had to travel to Redding to pick up supplies on a regular basis, they might've picked up a victim while they were there, too. In that case, the long second drive may have just been to disorient her so she wouldn't have any idea where she had been held. Or to release her far from where they lived. That wouldn't be true for the first drive, since at that time, they planned on killing her.

Was SP left alone during the day?

 

[DizzyB]

I wish KP had come out a day or two after Thanksgiving & held a short & sweet press conference. Thank everyone who helped and prayed to bring Sherri home. Thank LE, maybe give out a tips hotline number. Then say that they are taking some time to heal, and recover from this, and walk away.
I wish all of the details KP discussed were not shared by him-SP went through a horrific ordeal and it is up to her to decide how much needed to be shared. Even a thing like chopping off one's signature long hair can be traumatic enough. We are all talking about details that KP gave us.

 

[northXnorthwest1]

DizzyB, Keith did provide a lengthy statement to Good Morning America on Nov. 28 or 29 in which he thanked everybody and asked for privacy. That was 4 to 5 days after the day she was found.

As for thanking people, he did that in his statement:

""Thank you to our strong family, devoted friends, the entire Redding community and countless communities around the world. Specific thanks to the Shasta County Sheriff's department, FBI, NorCal Alliance for the Missing, the Lost Coast Trackers, Shasta Support Services, the Guardian Angels, my own personal A-Team, Cameron Gamble, Cody Salfen, Jim Linnan, Sean Ditty, Don Armstrong, Yolo County Sheriff's Department and hospital, the medical personnel that helped our dear Sherri, social media and many news outlets. Thank you to LRT Graphics and Signarama. Thank you to the extremely generous, anonymous as well as named donors all over the world [who] selflessly gave to our family. Thank you to the many incredible humans that have never known Sherri that facilitated in sharing our heart break across the globe.

Then he asked for privacy:

"We are a very private family [who] do not use social media outlets prior to this grotesque tragedy. My love for my wife took [precedence], and it was clear we had to be exposed in ways we never would have been comfortable with. So please have a heart and understand why we have asked for our privacy. This will be along road of healing for everyone."

As for the info he shared about SP's condition, none of us know that he DIDN'T talk to SP about it beforehand. And anyway, it's easy for all of us backseat drivers to suggest he should have done this and should have done that. But we are not the ones this happened to.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gma-exclusive-husband-sherri-papini-speaks-familys-ordeal/story?id=43840659

 

[northXnorthwest1]

Question for Lake when you are around, and sorry if asked before. How regular a jogger was SP? Was there any kind of pattern to her training as far as particular days of the week and times, or did she only just begin running to prepare for the CASA thing?

And with regard to the kids and daycare, did they go to daycare most days or was this an unusual event?

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[Gardener1850]

I think the theory that someone was involved with CASA or foster care advocacy and someone did this for revenge is a viable theory in this case. I would guess, however, that one of Sherri's family members does or did CASA, maybe not SP herself. The VI confirmed that SP's family had done the race to benefit CASA for several years. That indicates, IMO, that not just SP was interested in helping foster kids. What if there was a case of abuse of a child in foster care and the child's parents felt the CASA person was as much to blame as the abusers for not getting the child moved to another home? They might have taken the CASA advocate's child (SP) to inflict the same abuse and to send a message. I found such a case with a child who had many of the same injuries as SP --burns and bruises all over her body (Warning--some graphic photos in video): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Sheds-Light-on-Flawed-System--338088052.html

I'm not saying the above case is connected to SP, but maybe there is a similar case in Shasta County that did not get media attention? Maybe they held SP for as long as a child was in foster care and abused and let her go alive because the child lived? Maybe they wanted one of SP's family members to know the anguish they knew? It's the only revenge theory I have thought had legs so far. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the branding--if the branding sent too specific of a message then the police would be able to figure out these were people with a child in the system and may easily figure out who they could be by going through case files. But maybe the brand was to throw LE off. Hopefully, if there HAS been any child advocacy volunteers in SP's family LE has investigated this angle.

 

[robthomaseyes]

I have friends and family that walk to support the Susan G. Komen breast cancer organization; that doesn't mean they literally work for Susan G. Komen. Maybe SP just participated in races to raise money.

 

[dizzychick]

In most hospitals "minor injuries" are treated and then if necessary a person is sent to specialist or their own PCP for follow up. Unless it's a gunshot wound, heart attack, major neuro issue, etc it's considered "minor". Had a pt come in with a completely detached knee cap from an injury and we did an xray, put them in a cast and sent them home. Had another snowmobile accident where the rider had ridden into a barbwire fence and had his face ripped up. We removed the barbed wire, gave him a few narcs and sent him home complete with a broken jaw to be followed by a plastic surgeon, ortho spec and his pcp. Certainly wasn't "minor" in the sense of minor. SP had a broken nose, rash, burns and bruises in different stages of healing but as long as it wasn't something that required immediate surgery or was life threatening, they'd release. ER's are more for stabilization these days. And hospital stays, due to insurance, aren't like they used to be. 23 hours after delivery, moms are sent home with babies. Come in for a hip replacement? You'll get 72 hours and then it's home or to a rehab center.

I had a major stemi heart attack at Walmart and was rushed by 911 to the hospital on a Saturday and out early Monday morning, they wont let anyone stay for long these days but in Sp's case I would have thought they would have kept her at least 24 or 48 hours for observation and recovery. I can't help but think these injuries were only slight to be released on the same day, gosh what about the mental part of this? You would think she would have received some in patient therapy before just releasing so fast. This is the new medicine, I remember when the doctor would put you in for 3 days R and R just for anxiety, those were the good ole days LOL

 

[Grace.elle]

Can anyone confirm where sherri worked?
Her sister during her press conference said she was unable to comment on that question. Just wondering why such a secret about where she was employed?

 

[dizzychick]

Let's list all the possibly scenerio's that could explain this, i'll start ( the only one I can think of that makes sense is)

1. Sex Trafficking

2. ?

 

[NineMilly]

My #2 would be a serial abductor somehow linked to SP's school mates disappearance.
My #3 would be as a revenge from somebody.
My #4 would be random
My#5 would be some sort of money laundering scheme via cleaning dirty money by turning into ransom money.

all JMO of course....

Let's list all the possibly scenerio's that could explain this, i'll start ( the only one I can think of that makes sense is)

1. Sex Trafficking

2. ?

 

[Steleheart]

I think the theory that someone was involved with CASA or foster care advocacy and someone did this for revenge is a viable theory in this case. I would guess, however, that one of Sherri's family members does or did CASA, maybe not SP herself. The VI confirmed that SP's family had done the race to benefit CASA for several years. That indicates, IMO, that not just SP was interested in helping foster kids. What if there was a case of abuse of a child in foster care and the child's parents felt the CASA person was as much to blame as the abusers for not getting the child moved to another home? They might have taken the CASA advocate's child (SP) to inflict the same abuse and to send a message. I found such a case with a child who had many of the same injuries as SP --burns and bruises all over her body (Warning--some graphic photos in video): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Sheds-Light-on-Flawed-System--338088052.html

I'm not saying the above case is connected to SP, but maybe there is a similar case in Shasta County that did not get media attention? Maybe they held SP for as long as a child was in foster care and abused and let her go alive because the child lived? Maybe they wanted one of SP's family members to know the anguish they knew? It's the only revenge theory I have thought had legs so far. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the branding--if the branding sent too specific of a message then the police would be able to figure out these were people with a child in the system and may easily figure out who they could be by going through case files. But maybe the brand was to throw LE off. Hopefully, if there HAS been any child advocacy volunteers in SP's family LE has investigated this angle.

Thank you for that. For some reason the link wasn't working so I think I fixed it. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Sheds-Light-on-Flawed-System--338088052.html

I do think Sherri's ordeal was a giant message meant for someone and I did wonder about the CASA connection but perhaps someone angry that they lost their child/ children to the agency. SP and family do the run as volunteers at the very least.
The whole thing from the length of time, the brutality, daily beatings, burns, the brand "message" and the excessively heavy restraints are all a huge message for someone IMO.

ETA: Never mind, you fixed it, LOL

 

[soanyway]

That was hard to watch, Gardener. It breaks my heart to see children rescued from a bad situation only to be thrown into another (possibly worse situation) and not getting the love, nurturing, and protection they need. My hat goes off to these volunteers, it is not a difficult position and one that requires enormous self restraint. My thoughts with SP were involvement prior to her marriage with KP and possibly have developed a friendship that continued or a child that she may have advocated for and the family somehow held her responsible for the outcome. As for the branding, if she had advocated for an abused child (or one that was even trafficked by a parent/relative), it would give the motive and the connection to the type of torture she received.

I think the theory that someone was involved with CASA or foster care advocacy and someone did this for revenge is a viable theory in this case. I would guess, however, that one of Sherri's family members does or did CASA, maybe not SP herself. The VI confirmed that SP's family had done the race to benefit CASA for several years. That indicates, IMO, that not just SP was interested in helping foster kids. What if there was a case of abuse of a child in foster care and the child's parents felt the CASA person was as much to blame as the abusers for not getting the child moved to another home? They might have taken the CASA advocate's child (SP) to inflict the same abuse and to send a message. I found such a case with a child who had many of the same injuries as SP --burns and bruises all over her body (Warning--some graphic photos in video): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Sheds-Light-on-Flawed-System--338088052.html

I'm not saying the above case is connected to SP, but maybe there is a similar case in Shasta County that did not get media attention? Maybe they held SP for as long as a child was in foster care and abused and let her go alive because the child lived? Maybe they wanted one of SP's family members to know the anguish they knew? It's the only revenge theory I have thought had legs so far. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the branding--if the branding sent too specific of a message then the police would be able to figure out these were people with a child in the system and may easily figure out who they could be by going through case files. But maybe the brand was to throw LE off. Hopefully, if there HAS been any child advocacy volunteers in SP's family LE has investigated this angle.

 

[TexMex]

2. Serial killer who was talked into releasing their victim?

 

[TexMex]

Thank you for that. For some reason the link wasn't working so I think I fixed it. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Sheds-Light-on-Flawed-System--338088052.html

I do think Sherri's ordeal was a giant message meant for someone and I did wonder about the CASA connection but perhaps someone angry that they lost their child/ children to the agency. SP and family do the run as volunteers at the very least.
The whole thing from the length of time, the brutality, daily beatings, burns, the brand "message" and the excessively heavy restraints are all a huge message for someone IMO.

ETA: Never mind, you fixed it, LOL

If she was responsible for testifying and removing a child that would be a finite set of suspects for LE to investigate at least. Narrows the list way down.

 

[Dushi]

Peeked in a couple of times over the weekend
Seems as if there is nothing new being discussed, but I did not read all of the posts.
Unless something new comes up quickly, this will quietly go to the sidelines
A shame for Sherri that there may never be justice, but it seems LE has next to nothing to go on. Only so much can be done

JMO

 

[SheRuns]

2. Serial killer who was talked into releasing their victim?

Here is a new article with that same theory: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23794...ims-sherri-papini-hiding-kidnappers-identity/

 

[ninij9]

Let's list all the possibly scenerio's that could explain this, i'l start ( the only one I can think of that makes sense is

1. Sex Trafficking

2. ?

My 2 would be personal/grudge against her or someone close.

My 3 would be racially related. Very high charged emotions beginning of November. Got out of hand.(I don't so much believe this one)

My 4 (and also not likely) was a kidnap for ransom. A note was left and everything played out accordingly and we will NEVER (WSers hell) know...

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[luckylis]

If she was responsible for testifying and removing a child that would be a finite set of suspects for LE to investigate at least. Narrows the list way down.

The VI has already confirmed that they don't think SP was involved with CASA, only in the sense to participate in the 5K run that benefited CASA, but to the VI's knowledge SP was not directly involved with CASA.

 

[Gardener1850]

Lake, do you know how active SP was in CASA or any other support groups? Somewhere I read that she had helped teens, but I don't recall the source or how credible it may have been. A friend of mine has been involved with CASA and many of the children she's sponsored throughout the years still visit her regularly.

I don't know much about it, but I do know she was preparing for the CASA run. Apparently it is an annual thing for her for a number of years. Her family was going to participate this year also, as were members of her extended family.

Above is the question asked and the answer by the VI in regards to CASA. If a member of Sherri's family was more involved in CASA than just doing the race every year, Lake16 might not know that OR might not be at liberty to reveal that on a public message board. As far as I can tell, the identity of CASA volunteers is not usually revealed in the press.

 

[skibaboo]

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