Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #20

[natsound]

So you feel that one family (the P's) doing everything they could to get SP back now makes them responsible for other crimes? What would you do if it was your wife or daughter? Do anything and everything, or only what some feel is politically correct?


During my time here, I've always tried to counter some of the speculation with facts that I know to be true and have tried to relay the character of the people that are caught up in this ordeal. My hands are tied because there is so much information that I can't release. I've tried leaving breadcrumbs where I could.

Thank you to those that listened, I appreciate your courtesy and you have my respect. To the other's I'm sorry if my not buying into theories that I know to be false offends you. You are certainly welcome to them and I apologize if you feel I have dominated the discussion or beat you down.

I wish all of you a Merry Christmas.
Lake16

BBM

That is not what Pamela said in her post.

 

[Dushi]

Why would he need to be nearby? CG was negotiating. He can do that on the phone, from anywhere. If there was a money drop, I had assumed it would be up to the anonymous donor to make those arrangements. Isn't that why CG made a big deal about the AD only being in town for a limited amount of time and when the AD left town the ransom offer was off the table?

I personally think if by chance he negotiated her release, he would want to be around for the publicity JMO

 

[robthomaseyes]

Why would he need to be nearby? CG was negotiating. He can do that on the phone, from anywhere. If there was a money drop, I had assumed it would be up to the anonymous donor to make those arrangements. Isn't that why CG made a big deal about the AD only being in town for a limited amount of time and when the AD left town the ransom offer was off the table?

Then why bother "hiring" a hostage negotiator if the guy is simply going to have others write the letters to the perps, send them to the media, do the negotiating of the ransom drop-off, etc.?

 

[Ontario Mom]

So you feel that one family (the P's) doing everything they could to get SP back now makes them responsible for other crimes? What would you do if it was your wife or daughter? Do anything and everything, or only what some feel is politically correct?


During my time here, I've always tried to counter some of the speculation with facts that I know to be true and have tried to relay the character of the people that are caught up in this ordeal. My hands are tied because there is so much information that I can't release. I've tried leaving breadcrumbs where I could.

Thank you to those that listened, I appreciate your courtesy and you have my respect. To the other's I'm sorry if my not buying into theories that I know to be false offends you. You are certainly welcome to them and I apologize if you feel I have dominated the discussion or beat you down.

I wish all of you a Merry Christmas.
Lake16

I appreciate all you've tried to do here Lake. I think we all know your hands are tied as it pertains to certain details and that has to be as frustrating for you as it is the rest of us. I do hope you'll stick around though.

 

[Gardener1850]

I personally think if by chance he negotiated her release, he would want to be around for the publicity JMO

Television interviews can be done from anywhere.

 

[Dushi]

Television interviews can be done from anywhere.

Yes, of course

My bad

 

[Gardener1850]

Then why bother "hiring" a hostage negotiator if the guy is simply going to have others write the letters to the perps, send them to the media, do the negotiating of the ransom drop-off, etc.?

Because the anonymous donor wanted to stay anonymous and wanted someone to negotiate.

 

[robthomaseyes]

Television interviews can be done from anywhere.

Meeting
up with kidnappers to exchange a victim for ransom can't.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Why would he need to be nearby? CG was negotiating. He can do that on the phone, from anywhere. If there was a money drop, I had assumed it would be up to the anonymous donor to make those arrangements. Isn't that why CG made a big deal about the AD only being in town for a limited amount of time and when the AD left town the ransom offer was off the table?

Well, I've never negotiated a ransom drop with anyone but it seems to me there'd be a lot of details to get in order. When, where, how, etc. Assuming the plan was for them to exchange SP for the cash, it would have to be handled quite delicately in a private, secure location. I wouldn't even begin to know how that was going to go down, but as the "negotiator" you'd think he'd want to be RIGHT there, you know, negotiating.

 

[robthomaseyes]

Because the anonymous donor wanted to stay anonymous and wanted someone to negotiate.

That's just it. CG seems to have taken off and left him holding the bag. NO pun intended. He had to write that first letter on November 6; wouldn't that be EXACTLY the type of thing that a Negotiator should do? He's supposedly got training and knows how to be diplomatic. Then someone up above implied that CG didn't have to be the one to drop off the ransom; that the AD should be able to do it. Once again, why engage a negotiator who doesn't (can't??) negotiate?

Very odd. None of it adds up.

 

[Inthedetails]

Well, I've never negotiated a ransom drop with anyone but it seems to me there'd be a lot of details to get in order. When, where, how, etc. Assuming the plan was for them to exchange SP for the cash, it would have to be handled quite delicately in a private, secure location. I wouldn't even begin to know how that was going to go down, but as the "negotiator" you'd think he'd want to be RIGHT there, you know, negotiating.

I agree. Being out of town during the same time as the victim was held seems overly convenient - like when my son has "homework" to do on the computer at the same time as he needs to be doing chores. Well, not exactly like that, of course! But just seems like a convenient excuse.

I honestly have thrown up my hands in this case and have no idea what happened, no theories, no nothing (except gratitude SP is alive and home).

jmo

 

[robthomaseyes]

Well, I've never negotiated a ransom drop with anyone but it seems to me there'd be a lot of details to get in order. When, where, how, etc. Assuming the plan was for them to exchange SP for the cash, it would have to be handled quite delicately in a private, secure location. I wouldn't even begin to know how that was going to go down, but as the "negotiator" you'd think he'd want to be RIGHT there, you know, negotiating.

Yes;he
claims to be an expert; he claims to have trained Navy Seals and D of D personnel. So unless there really is NOT a need for a hostage negotiator, thereby negating his entire career, then why wouldn't he want to be nearby to negotiate? Especially knowing that there was a deadline coming up?

 

[Mosaic]

Because the anonymous donor wanted to stay anonymous and wanted someone to negotiate.

or to blame? Just pondering all the possibilities.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Why would he need to be nearby? CG was negotiating. He can do that on the phone, from anywhere. If there was a money drop, I had assumed it would be up to the anonymous donor to make those arrangements. Isn't that why CG made a big deal about the AD only being in town for a limited amount of time and when the AD left town the ransom offer was off the table?

He would be in town to make the delivery. Having some alleged rich person going to meet criminals is just asking for serious trouble. It would be an extremely dangerous situation that aside from kidnapping the donor could result in injury or death by having someone both inexperienced and rich schedule to discretely meet with violent money-hungry criminals. The money was specifically supposed to be in CG's hands for any delivery: "I have the cash ready to give to my negotiator 24/7 as soon as you reach out to him using the contact information below."
https://kobi5.com/news/regional-news/50000-ransom-offered-for-missing-n-california-woman-40414/
The big deal about the donor being in town was that once they left the offer expired: "Once I leave town this offer is off the table."

 

[Rayemonde]

Could you please list which theories you know to be factually incorrect? That would probably help us more than anything. I know these are scattered in bits and pieces throughout the 100'state of threads, but just one concise post would be greatly appreciated.

Merry Christmas!

What I got from the VI's posts was:

1. SP was abducted by two Hispanic women and did not mislead investigators about this, and has shared all the information she can recall with LE
2. CG, LJ etc were just trying to help the family and were not involved in anything nefarious
3. ST is the probable motive
4. A ransom/ reward was not paid
5. Look for two Hispanic women with a history of kidnapping people

MOO!

 

[daninillinois]

Both.Well,in his letter, the
AD said HE would be going back out of town soon, but CG later, during the 20/20 interview, said he was out of town for most of the duration of SP's kidnapping.

Agree. To fill in some details on the AD side: [a] the 11/17 reverse ransom letter says that AD is leaving Redding in a few days on his next business trip. CG's 11/22 video message to the perps, which has since been removed from YouTube, says that that AD has "already left town to be with his family for Thanksgiving."

Aside from the obvious question of which of those two AD trips actually was taken, it strikes me that between the two of them (and I believe, jmo, they are one and the same), the AD and CG were feeding the perps a lot of complicated and confusing chatter about who's in town and when, who's out of town and when, how long the money is or is not on the table, and so on. It's enough to drive a kidnapper crazy. Seriously, isn't there a point at which all these conflicting and complex messages would in fact make the perps mad? And wouldn't that endanger the victim?

 

[thirdfrombottom]

Assuming the plan was for them to exchange SP for the cash, it would have to be handled quite delicately in a private, secure location.

Yes, you are correct. Tor, Privacy and Security Settings "High," New Tor Identity, Hiddenwiki, Bitcoin, set the final transaction Bitcoin to local currency offshore in a jurisdiction with no extradition, put $9,999 USD equivalent in your suitcase (if returning to the US--nothing to claim at customs, actually make it $9,900 USD equivalent--we don't want to hit that $10,000 USD figure), have your FedEx Boxes prepared and filled with empty cut-out books and sent to lockers, and wire away in small transactions over time (love the offshore casino payouts--intertops, anyone?).

I wouldn't even begin to know how that was going to go down,

Easy. See the above steps.

but as the "negotiator" you'd think he'd want to be RIGHT there, you know, negotiating.

Not anymore. The Negotiator was so Samuel L. Jacksonesque 1998. Tor only. Thank DPR/RWU, SR, .onion! Today's film would not be as interesting.

 

[vlpate]

Yes;he
claims to be an expert; he claims to have trained Navy Seals and D of D personnel. So unless there really is NOT a need for a hostage negotiator, thereby negating his entire career, then why wouldn't he want to be nearby to negotiate? Especially knowing that there was a deadline coming up?

Hostage negotiation is not a spectator sport....any real negotiations would not have been a one-sided dialogue on youtube or MSM. If ransom was paid, all that noise was likely CYA for the donor whose money was never within CG's reach...jmo

 

[1987]

this is far left out there thinking likely, but I effectively have a brand, never thought of it as more than a scar. it is from a welding accident. while using a arc welder my watch band was struck and left the print of the back of the watch on my arm in great detail. haven't given it much thought in 20+ years but laying awake a couple nights ago I noticed it and thought back to the day it happened. welders give off lots of sparks and can leave burns that very much look like a rash, and if I understand SP was said to have burns and a rash. as I was thinking about day of my accident I recalled the way my spouse looked, looking at someone wearing a welding helmet with a auto darking lens you can see the eyes and the eyebrows and their hair but no other facial features. so likely is far out there thinking but thought I would share my thoughts.

 

[wfgodot]

Hello and welcome to WS, 1987.