Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #10 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[GrainneDhu]

BBM

A person that still lives with his mother, perhaps? Or has a wife that is a neat freak?

I have always felt the folded clothes could become key if a perp is ever caught. Lot of people are neat but yet when they fold their clothes they do it in a way that is unique to them.

I really think these are the clothes she was wearing when she walked out the door on her way to the bus stop.

IMO

Maybe someone who worked in retail selling clothes?

Which would mean that s/he was fairly personable and probably the sort of person that people would say "s/he was the LAST person I would have ever suspected!"

 

[BeginnersLuck]

http://g.co/maps/g78qc

Whisperer is this the other drive/gate in this close-up set back behind the gate at the street?

Image date on the satellite photo from your link says May 2011. I wonder if I can find any more recent ones. I'll try.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Disorganized offenders do not morph in to organized offenders. This criminal social classification system (organized or disorganized) is based upon the offender’s personality and personalities remain fairly constant over time.

Psychopathy is a syndrome. This means that it has numerous and varying symptoms/features. Not all psychopaths possess the same traits. They cannot all be labeled as sparrows or geese (disorganized or organized). For example, many psychopaths are very careless (not organized) in the way they treat everyone including themselves. Many are also very impulsive (a personality trait of a disorganized offender).

Page 10-11.
http://iris.lib.neu.edu/cgi/viewcon...characteristics organized offender site:.edu"

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

The way I think about it is that being a serial killer involves attaining fluency in a series of discrete tasks. Attaining fluency almost always takes practise and experience.

I think an organised offender starts out with an organised mindset but has not yet developed fluency needed in every task. They make mistakes.

Later on, as they acquire more experience, they become better at performing the tasks they need to perform. They also develop more insight into what works, what doesn't work, what heightens the experience for them, what just leaves them going "meh, not worth the effort."

In those first few experiences (which may well not involve any killing or even sexual assaults), they are inevitably going to make mistakes and may appear to be disorganised. This is a false impression.

It's like when watching video of a bunch of kids during their first experience on ice skates and picking out the one that turns out to be an Olympic gold medalist. That one kid may look more or less as clumsy as the rest but they have a different mentality than the ones who end up skating 2-3 times each winter. It takes time to find out which kid has the combination of mental traits to take them to the top.

So, I think that while organised and disorganised are valid distinctions, it can be difficult to tell one from the other in their very early crimes.

 

[simlyme]

Image date on the satellite photo from your link says May 2011. I wonder if I can find any more recent ones. I'll try.

Here is a good one , if you hit the plus (+) sign on the top right, it gives you the most recent photo of the property, if you hit the minus(-) it shows the big warehouse without the roof on it,
From what Ive sleuthed it shows all the work and improvements done sometime after October 2011.
After the property is cleaned up you see the trash by the front gate is gone and also in the most recent you can see a white car on the back dirt driveway going to the wharehouse .

http://www.zillow.com/homes/1984305....707997,37.185564,-121.70969_rect/19_zm/1_fr/

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Here is a good one , if you hit the plus (+) sign on the top right, it gives you the most recent photo of the property, if you hit the minus(-) it shows the big warehouse without the roof on it,
From what Ive sleuthed it shows all the work and improvements done sometime after October 2011.
After the property is cleaned up you see the trash by the front gate is gone and also in the most recent you can see a white car on the back dirt driveway going to the wharehouse .

http://www.zillow.com/homes/1984305....707997,37.185564,-121.70969_rect/19_zm/1_fr/

That's really interesting how it changes when you zoom in or out. When you look the whole area over, it appears there are so many small places that could be housing on the different properties. Plus the various businesses around there they seem like they would primarily employ males. This is a daunting task for LE. I would do what they are and go door to door talking to everyone. I get the feeling Sierra is very near and so is or was the perp.

 

[ozazure]

I've posted about her address frequently .... The business online looks current. Is it? A phone call would tell. Dunno if that's too interfering. Would give someone a legitimate reason to be there, familiar to.sierra, and may explain Marlene's reluctance to discuss ricks timeline if it is tangled with known visitors/occupants of no. 18. Too hard to skirt around so best to say nothing.

On.phone please excuse typos and extra ..

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I've posted about her address frequently .... The business online looks current. Is it? A phone call would tell. Dunno if that's too interfering. Would give someone a legitimate reason to be there, familiar to.sierra, and may explain Marlene's reluctance to discuss ricks timeline if it is tangled with known visitors/occupants of no. 18. Too hard to skirt around so best to say nothing.

On.phone please excuse typos and extra ..

I think a phone call would have to be made to verify they are still in operation. They may just use that building as a warehouse but take the orders online or over the phone from elsewhere. I don't know how we could verify if the building is still being used. The website I found was for office type supplies.

I kind of took Marlenes stearing away from talking about Rick as though it made her angry. The focus and purpose for her being there on the show was to spread the word to find Sierra. When NG tried to focus the conversation on Rick it changed the focus to him instead of where it was intended to be. I can completely understand this and would be upset if I was her also. There is a big difference in communication when someone is sitting in the studio and you are talking to them as apposed to doing it remotely. It could be hard to hear and NG doesn't allow anyone to finish a sentence.

 

[LisaB]

(snip)
If he couldnt live with himself he would turn himself in. I think he is living with what he did just fine and probably fantasizing about the brutality of it even now.
(snip)
imo

He's a coward. He'd commit suicide rather than turn himself in.

 

[LisaB]

I too had thought about the possibility of one of her peers being involved in this. I so hope not but kids nowadays seem to be numb to violence and many aren't made to suffer consequences for their actions when they do wrong. For some reason kids today are so quick to settle perceived slights and disputes as well as romantic rivalries with a gun or other violence. So until LE names a POI, I haven't ruled out the possibility of a classmate, either at her old school or her new one, being involved JMHO

I'm a newbie here but have been reading and lurking for a while now so don't be too harsh on me.

Welcome! Great thoughts. Yesterday our local paper reported that two boys, ages 12 and 13 had been arrested for burning down a local church with gasoline. The police may still arrest a couple of other boys. What 12 year old goes to a church, pours gasoline around, and lights it? A CHURCH? A TWELVE-YEAR-OLD? What is the world coming to? There are no children anymore.

 

[askfornina]

Here is a transcript I just did from this video from yesterday. Cardoza re: new lead.

http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3853

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: We're not specifying what specific results they got back from what- pertained to which items- but it has led to some further leads, some further information that they'll do some followup on. It may result in a person of interest in the case or it may not. We just don't know at this time, but the detectives still need to do some followup on this case in regarding to- you know, in regards to the evidence to see where it goes from there.

Reporter: Why do you say it may lead to a person of interest? Is there part of the evidence maybe pointing in that direction?

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: There was no direct hit. In other words, there was no- something- whatever they got back is- is- are confirmed reports but they don't point 100% to a person of interest or to a suspect, you know, which would be more of- concrete.

Reporter: But you think it's possible?

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: It is a possibility that based on the steps that they will take- it may lead them to that. Again, it's-(cut off)

 

[askfornina]

Full Timeline:

CA Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 timeline and media thread - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Updates from the past three days:

Sunday, April 15, 2012

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/family-mark-one-month-anniversary-missing-teens-di/nMZZp/

April 15 more @ link

The family of missing Morgan Hill teen Sierra LaMar will mark the one-month anniversary of her disappearance Monday as searches of the area around her home continue.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...s-Missing-Teen-One-Month-Later-147530315.html

April 15 more @ link

Her family will mark the passage of a month with a balloon prayer release Monday at 6:30 p.m. at Burnett Elementary School.

"This month has truly been a nightmare," Sierra's father Steve LaMar said. "But our volunteers have given us faith, hope and the perseverance to continue in our search efforts. This balloon release will give us a chance for all of us to get together in prayer for Sierra."

http://www.kionrightnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=17457131

April 15 more @ link

Residents told Central Coast News they have mixed feelings about the national news coverage of Sierra LaMar. We walked down some of the busiest streets in Morgan Hill and talked with people who had different opinions about Morgan Hill in the media.

Sierra's abduction has been broadcast on Nancy Grace, Good Morning America, America's Most Wanted and several other media outlets. Some Sobrato High School students told us the city's image has been changing since Sierra's disappearance became a national headline.

Monday, April 16, 2012

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/crime-lab-reportedly-yields-clues-sierra-lamar-sea/nMbGb/

April 16 more @ link

Late Monday afternoon, the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department announced that test results from the crime lab has yielded new leads, but declined to reveal the nature of the clues.

Early on, searches near Sierra's home turned up items including her cell phone, purse and clothing.

"It is one of those items. We can't specify as to this point is it the results back from the cell phone, results from … Sierra's clothing [or] a couple of other items submitted in this case," said Sgt.Jose Cardoza.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Possible-Lead-in-LaMar-Case-147694085.html

April 16 more @ link

A month has passed since 15-year old Morgan Hill teen Sierra LaMar went missing, and today, the Santa Clara County Sheriffs investigators announced what could lead to a break in the case.

The results are back from the crime lab on evidence discovered during the searches, but they are not yet releasing what those results are.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/6968498-search-for-sierra-lamar-enters-2nd-month/

April 16 from video @ link

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: It may be a significant new development if it leads to something substantial, um- we just don't know if these leads are going to pan out or not.

Marlene: I'm optimistic that the law enforcement agency is doing everything they possibly can to return her safely to us.

Reporter: Tonight, a balloon release to mark Sierra's disappearance from her home exactly one month ago.

Marlene: It-it's, it's really hard. You know, it's just hard to talk earlier cause it's been so long.

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_8df2788c-881e-11e1-a90d-0019bb30f31a.html

Sierra’s family planned to host the vigil and balloon release at Burnett Elementary School, which has been converted into a temporary search center for the Sobrato High School sophomore since March 20.

April 16 from video @ link

Marlene: It seemed very surreal. Like, this is impossible- this can't be happening to me. But it's been a month and it did happen. And, we need volunteers to continue coming. I'm so grateful to all the organizations and all the people that have come.

http://www.kionrightnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=17479408

Onto the Search for Sierra, a somber tribute from family and friends of the missing 15-year-old Morgan Hill girl marking a grim milestone.

"It's really hard," says Sierra's mother Marlene LaMar. "It's just hard to talk earlier because it's been so long."

April 16 from video @ link

Steve: The anxiety and fear of where she is and what has happened to her is unbearable.

Steve: All of this love and support truly makes us feel that Sierra is everyone's daughter.

Marlene: You know, if Sierra could be here right now, she would say "Thank you for not giving up on me."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/video/#!/...mbering-Sierra-LaMar--A-Month-Later/147700625

April 16 from video @ link

Marlene(while hugging someone): It's okay. It's okay. She's coming back to us.

Steve: It's been one long and agonizing month since Sierra went missing.

Steve: That was pretty emotional, yeah. I was- I was crying. Just hoping all those messages- I hope they're going to bring her back to us.

Marlene: It's been a month already. I'm- I'm not going to give up and I'm-you know, it's- it's too long. We want her back, we want her back safely.

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/morgan-hill-forensic-lab-turns-up-clues-in-search/vGxkX/

April 16 from video @ link

Reporter: Early on, searches near Sierra's home turned up items including Sierra's cell phone, purse, and clothing.

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: It is one of those items. We can't specify as to this point- is it the results back from the cell phone? Is it results back from the clothing? From Sierra's clothing, or a couple of the other evidence items that were submitted in this case.

Steve: I hope something pans out because we've just been desperate for something.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/missing-teen-sierra-lamar.html

April 16 more @ link

Cardoza said Monday that dives into the Chesbro Reservoir and the Uvas Reservoir last week, both within a few miles of Sierra’s home, turned up “nothing related to the case.” Cardoza said Monday that authorities will begin some “pre-operation type work” to prepare for dives later this week into the Calero and Anderson reservoirs.

Those two reservoir are located from five to 10 miles from the home, and Cardoza said they are the only two remaining in the county.

“It’s just to be as thorough as possible,” Cardoza said. “The investigators just want to be sure.”

http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/si...orted-over-one-thousand-miles-from-lamar-home

April 16 more @ link

As of April 13, the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office has received approximately 1,400 tips regarding the disappearance of Sierra LaMar, many of which have been relayed to authorities from people living hundreds of miles away from the missing teen’s home in Morgan Hill.

“The farthest [sighting] that I know of—I don't monitor all the tips—came from Arizona,” said Sgt. Jose Cardoza of the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office. “I know there was a sighting of her in Phoenix, in the Dallas area, in Southern California there were a lot of sightings, and all along the Bay Area.”

http://gilroy.kionrightnow.com/news...helping-look-sierra-lamar-want-put-billboards

April 16 more @ link

It’s been a month since 15 year old Sierra Lamar disappeared and so far people have donated more than $15,000 to the search effort.

Tuesday, April 17, 2012

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_983da914-88ba-11e1-8ae8-001a4bcf6878.html

April 17 more @ link

Divers from the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office returned to the scene of some shallow percolation ponds in north Morgan Hill as part of their ongoing search for missing teen Sierra LaMar.

The divers and detectives arrived at the ponds, just east of the intersection of Monterey Highway and Ogier Avenue, the day after the sheriff’s office announced the county crime lab had finished processing some evidence found in the case which led to new clues.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8624669

April 17 more @ link

Residents of the RV park near Tuesday's dive operations say that area, not far from Sierra's home, has gotten a lot of attention.

"We've seen them go door to door, looking in places and stuff and mostly just down there... the water and the woods over there," Parkway Lakes RV Park resident Helen Robinson said.

http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3853

April 17 more @ link

Three-member teams in boats hope to wrap up their search of several ground water percolation ponds a few miles from the home where missing teenager Sierra Lamar was last seen more than a month ago.

from video @ link

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: We're not specifying what specific results they got back from what- pertained to which items- but it has led to some further leads, some further information that they'll do some followup on. It may result in a person of interest in the case or it may not. We just don't know at this time, but the detectives still need to do some followup on this case in regarding to- you know, in regards to the evidence to see where it goes from there.

Reporter: Why do you say it may lead to a person of interest? Is there part of the evidence maybe pointing in that direction?

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: There was no direct hit. In other words, there was no- something- whatever they got back is- is- are confirmed reports but they don't point 100% to a person of interest or to a suspect, you know, which would be more of- concrete.

Reporter: But you think it's possible?

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: It is a possibility that based on the steps that they will take- it may lead them to that. Again, it's-(cut off)

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8625697

April 17 from video @ link

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: Preliminarily, in regards to the evidence items that were submitted, it is some positive information, some positive news to give back that does provide the detectives with some work to do.

http://www.ktvu.com/ap/ap/california/new-leads-in-northern-calif-teens-disappearance/nMbQ2/

April 17 more @ link

"They don't want to be too specific in case it may lead to a possible person of interest or a suspect," Sgt. Jose Cardoza, a sheriff's spokesman, told the Associated Press. "There's still more follow-up work that needs to be done."

http://www.kionrightnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=17520056

April 17 more @ link

A simple writing assignment at a Salinas school reveals concerns from teenage girls about Sierra LaMar's disappearance. The question, should teenagers be allowed to go to the mall alone? Their answers may surprise you.

While most teens want their independence, 7th graders from M*** d** S*** School in Salinas don't because of what happened to Sierra LaMar.

"When I hear about a teen that has been kidnapped," says 13-year-old V*** M***. "I start to feel less safe. I feel like this could happen to me, especially when it happens close by."

 

[Portabella]

BeginnersLuck, to answer your question (for Colorado anyway) when an inmate is released on GPS, the inmate is held until his ankle system can be put on. If an inmate is Paroled straight from the facility they expedite it being placed. but more times then not they go into a Community Corrections setting, there they are not permitted to leave the premises until they come and place the system on them. At that time they are permitted to go out into the community. When they abscond, it can mean they cut it off. GPS leads to where the ankle bracelet unit is located, but you find it was removed/cut off.
http://www.library.ca.gov/crb/96/08/

This has much interesting info is you wade through it. I will say GPS is not foolproof though even on the best of days.

 

[Berry]

I do think that whoever did this has done similar evil deeds before. So looking at other cases nearby might be on point.

I just do not think so.........it is a first for this perp, tell my opinion later, lost my reply darn and trying to find it, however, feel it is a first and for very disorganised perp, who is trying to distance everything away from this disorganised accident/mess up that happened.

 

[Berry]

http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3853

Says there was no "direct hit"...will likely stop water searches tomorrow...

To further that cluciano:

Cardoza tells KRON 4's Rob Fladeboe "Whatever they got back is from confirmed reports but they don't point 100% to a person of interest or to a suspect which would be more concrete. It is a possibility that based on the steps they will take that may lead them to that."


Confusing us again

 

[WideOpen]

Here is a good one , if you hit the plus (+) sign on the top right, it gives you the most recent photo of the property, if you hit the minus(-) it shows the big warehouse without the roof on it,
From what Ive sleuthed it shows all the work and improvements done sometime after October 2011.
After the property is cleaned up you see the trash by the front gate is gone and also in the most recent you can see a white car on the back dirt driveway going to the wharehouse .

http://www.zillow.com/homes/1984305....707997,37.185564,-121.70969_rect/19_zm/1_fr/

Thanks, I wonder if this could be related "white car" we have heard about.
JMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I just do not think so.........it is a first for this perp, tell my opinion later, lost my reply darn and trying to find it, however, feel it is a first and for very disorganised perp, who is trying to distance everything away from this disorganised accident/mess up that happened.

:seeya: I agree, Berry ...

BBM: The evidence of the purse with the "neatly folded clothes" AND the school books being found in the SAME location, clearly points toward someone who wants to point the crime AWAY from themself -- making it look like a "stranger abductor" did it ...

The evidence that has been reported so far "speaks for itself" ... a "stranger abductor" would have gotten rid of those items in a dumpster or disposed of them in water or with the victim ...

JMO ... but there seems to be a "message" about the purse and books ...

Again all :moo::moo::moo:

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

OK...hold on, you're in for a bumpy ride...and I hope it makes sense when I get it down on paper....LOL
First, for the past 2 days I've been reading tweets, retweets and answers to tweets from these wannabe "thuglettes". So, background, there is a HUGE following of the movie "Project X"....parties, etc. Apparently, on Mar 16th, there was a huge "Project X" party going down in Livermore, which, if I read correctly, was supposed to be attended by Fremont kids. SL's OWN tweets did NOT mention going to the party in any way shape or form...so I'm not saying she was planning ANYTHING wrong.
She CONSTANTLYwanted to go back to Fremont, visit Fremont, etc.
In one of her tweets, she mentioned needing "30 more followers to get to 300". It seemed a big thing when people "unfollowed" her.

Now, for ME, from here is what gets "hella" confusing...sorry couldn't resist...LOL.

From the article linked....

The determination that the unknown suspect or suspects in the possible abduction is familiar and comfortable with Morgan Hill is based partially on the location of Sierra’s home, Cardoza said. Police think she was likely picked up or abducted close to her residence.

“She lives in a secluded area,” Cardoza said. “There’s not much of a chance that she’s going to have contact with transients or strangers” who are unfamiliar with the area.

Cardoza clarified that the official designation of Sierra as an “involuntary missing person” could mean she was abducted, kidnapped, or she voluntary ran away but ended up with someone who turned out to have malicious intent.

No specific evidence so far points more heavily toward any one of those options, he added.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...y-acquaintance-possible-in-sierra-lamar-case/


ITA with this statement. Where SL lives is NOT a busy street. The perp would need to know she was there, IMO....I also put ALL my faith in the dogs determining she only got to the end of her driveway.

The mere fact that:
A) She had so many "followers" on her Twitter (almost 300 BEFORE she went missing)
B) ANYONE other than followers could read the tweets
C) Friends of friends, and so on could also read them

I'm thinking maybe she got a call on her cell or an email on her computer from someone who read she was really into the "Project X" movie AND her wanting sooo bad to go back to Fremont. They told her about the party and she thought it was sooo cool....she could party with the older crowd AND see her friends. Maybethey said "so and so" from Fremont was going. They told her they'd pick her up - kinda get a "bond" thing going - wear her "party" clothes, and for her to bring a change of clothes to get back into after the party so mom doesn't "suspect" anything....AND, she brought ANOTHER purse with her makeup, etc.
Maybe spend like a Ferris Bueller type of day....she supposedly never did that....there's a first time for everything, right??? Could her last text have been to talk about the party, the phone goes out the window....maybe as a joke by the perp, like "get rid of this thing" you don't need that today....maybe not
Don't know why, BUT I still think SHE put her stuff by the shed to pick up later.

The "lead" could be from the results of her computer hard drive or cell call results??? It DOES take a while to get that info, IIRC. This fitting back into that "someone" calling or emailing about picking her up???
They go down by the shed to hide her stuff...MAYBE the drivers suggestion...they DID say the perp had a pretty good knowledge of Morgan Hill.
After THAT, poor baby doesn't know what was gonna happen to her.

ETA: About SL NOT folding clothes, LE never REALLY got into the "folding"...like folded from the cleaners or "kinda" folded to FIT as opposed to just balling them up. Embarassing to say, I'm NOT a big "folder". I kinda fold my shirts in half, then in half....not "neatly", just to get it done...sorry...:blushing:

ALSO...another suggestion going more on the "neat" folding thing...maybe it wasn't just ONE person...a female to get her into a car...a male does the horrible crime...SHE folds the clothes....some women actually fold their clothes VERY neatly.

 

[Pensfan]

The way I think about it is that being a serial killer involves attaining fluency in a series of discrete tasks. Attaining fluency almost always takes practise and experience.

I think an organised offender starts out with an organised mindset but has not yet developed fluency needed in every task. They make mistakes.

Later on, as they acquire more experience, they become better at performing the tasks they need to perform. They also develop more insight into what works, what doesn't work, what heightens the experience for them, what just leaves them going "meh, not worth the effort."

In those first few experiences (which may well not involve any killing or even sexual assaults), they are inevitably going to make mistakes and may appear to be disorganised. This is a false impression.

It's like when watching video of a bunch of kids during their first experience on ice skates and picking out the one that turns out to be an Olympic gold medalist. That one kid may look more or less as clumsy as the rest but they have a different mentality than the ones who end up skating 2-3 times each winter. It takes time to find out which kid has the combination of mental traits to take them to the top.

So, I think that while organised and disorganised are valid distinctions, it can be difficult to tell one from the other in their very early crimes.

bbm
Thank you! We can't determine if Sierra’s disappearance was caused by an organized or disorganized offender. We are only privy to a few details related to her disappearance. In addition, the behavior characteristics or organized and disorganized offender are not mutually exclusive. A crime can show elements of both categories and there are no other crimes that we can link to this case to assist in the determination. If Sierra is a runaway, her disappearance is sad, but this isn't a sexual homicide. If her disappearance was caused by an angry family member or a mentally ill acquaintance, the categories of organized and disorganized offender may not apply either.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[Berry]

:seeya: I agree, Berry ...

BBM: The evidence of the purse with the "neatly folded clothes" AND the school books being found in the SAME location, clearly points toward someone who wants to point the crime AWAY from themself -- making it look like a "stranger abductor" did it ...

The evidence that has been reported so far "speaks for itself" ... a "stranger abductor" would have gotten rid of those items in a dumpster or disposed of them in water or with the victim ...

JMO ... but there seems to be a "message" about the purse and books ...

Again all :moo::moo::moo:

Exactly.... silence speaks volumes in this case, simple case of 'oops but I know she should have gone on to school that day and I messed up'.

Also, carefully folding the stuff means 'I won't ever ever ever do it again. Please forgive me God, I am an adult for Gods sake and I am so shocked and ashamed.'

Dog.gone that is, my opinion of the 'message' placed/spoken by silently caringly being close to home.:twocents:

 

[concentric]

Since many are talking about Forensic DNA testing identifying rapists, I wanted to bring forward again this monumental case, The Bikepath Rapist/Murderer that some of us followed closely. As a result, years of crimes by this person were solved, and another man in prison for some of the crimes was set free as a result. There are other articles that more clearly focus on how the DNA was broken down, one of which I posted as the details of the investigation were given to the media. This will have to do for now, as I can't find that article I posted way back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/nyregion/16suspect.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Mr. Sanchez became a suspect after different teams of investigators that had been assigned different jobs as part of the task force came up with his name, the authorities said.

One group revisited unsolved rape cases and identified Mr. Sanchez as a suspect in a 1981 attack, after speaking again with another man, who was identified as “a person of interest” shortly after the crime, said Timothy Howard, the Erie County sheriff.

Another team compiled a list of men in the area who had been arrested since 1986 for patronizing prostitutes, as Mr. Sanchez was in 1991 and 1999. The authorities declined to discuss the disposition of those cases.

DNA testing on samples taken from the crime scenes in the murders and the rapes showed that the attacker was likely to be of Hispanic heritage, said Sheriff Howard, who did not provide further details.

Mr. Sanchez was the only Hispanic man to appear on both lists, the authorities said.

The authorities gave this account of the events of recent days.

The police placed Mr. Sanchez under surveillance as he traveled around the area, including to and from his job at Outokumpu American Brass, a factory in Buffalo that produces copper and brass products.

On Saturday night, three undercover officers followed him and his wife to a restaurant, Sole. When they had been seated, the officers told the restaurant staff not to touch any of Mr. Sanchez’s table settings after he finished, the restaurant’s manager said, and the officers later removed the plate, glass and silverware he had used. “We had no idea why,” said the manager, George Kotsis. “We didn’t even suspect why they wanted it until the news came out today.”

Sheriff Howard said that on Sunday, the county’s crime lab matched DNA evidence gathered from the dishes used by Mr. Sanchez to evidence taken from the scenes of the three murders.

“Old-fashioned police work brought everything together, and the DNA sealed the deal,” said Mr. Clark, the district attorney.