Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #15 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[DLynn]

But how do we know which one is accurate?
I am beginning to hate the media, JMO

Patch reporters are not working for a large mainstream outlet, I think the reporter mis-reported that.

 

[TxLady2]

I said way back when there were different reports in the media about the t- shirt jersey or sweatshirt. I don't believe anything in print anymore. I searched yahoo one day and the reports were split 33% for each article. Sad part one news station had both t-shirt and jersey reported two different reporters. Same station that said DNA laffin

Well, it's not about responsible journalism anymore. Rather than looking at the whole story, they just care about what gets the reader's attention right now. Fact-checking is too time-consuming, why be bothered by trying to keep the facts straight, as long as they're half right, it's good enough.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Even when they bother to put things inside quotation marks, they don't really seem like actual quotes...

Why do we accept such poor standards nowadays I wonder...how can we know we are ever getting any accurate info. It has become a very lazy, slapdash profession, IMO, all about slapping it onto the website, no editing, no spell check, no one checking to see if sentences are properly constructed.

If you look at the history of the press, it has always been so. Along with the very same complaints!

The basic answer comes down to: no one is willing to pay for high quality investigative reporting. The only media outlet I can think of that is consistently high quality is The Guardian from the UK. And they have an advantage because they have a huge trust fund to help them support really good investigative reporting.

Look at their coverage of the Leveson scandal, the scandal that (apparently) never stops giving.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

One reason why I think we don't see investigative reporters digging deep into cases anymore is because they are skeptical that it will pay off. It's a lot safer for the media to just report on what is said in press conferences and by the people close to the investigation for a new case every week, than to choose one case and to extensively cover every detail, to search into everyone's background for years.

For example; If you're an investigative reporter and you're looking to write a book about a case, you are going to be picky about the case you choose. I'm not saying it's all about the money, but it's a natural instinct to want people to read your book and to want your hard work to pay off. If you're going to spend more than a year researching a case, interviewing hundreds of people, possibly living near where the case took place, etc; you're going to choose a case that will still bring in audience when your book is finally released.

 

[Annie1004]

Here is the reply from Corinne Speckert gilroypatch@gmail.com
(She sent me two emails)

HI Annie,
Yes, that' what Cardoza had said. He also said, however, that investigators won't comment on when they begin the examination or whether they're in the process of examining the vehicle when they start. It sounds like the examination could take place at any point, probably sooner than later, but we're not going to know when it does. They could have started the examination today, or after I spoke with Cardoza yesterday, who knows...
It sounds like investigators are not neglecting the case or the vehicle's examination, but that they're conducting it in a procedural way for Sierra's safety. There could also be some lag time because I'm assuming they need specialists to examine the vehicle, which could take some time. For example, when Sierra's personal items were sent to the county crime lab, a report wasn't turned around from forensics for a significant amount of time, I believe it took multiple weeks, and those items were important evidence as well.
Just because the vehicle hadn't been examined at the time that Cardoza and I spoke, it doesn't mean investigators aren't actively pursuing the case. I know they're following all leads around the clock, and I'm sure the vehicle is a top priority.
I hope this helps. Sorry I'm not able to offer more info, but it sounds like there isn't much available at this time.
Best,
Corinne
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Hi Annie,
Below is the direct quote from Cardoza. I just realized the quote you cited in your email was a shortened version of what he said.
“The vehicle is in evidence, and will be examined at some point."
Corinne

 

[sreshowtime]

I'm sorry I can not believe, regardless of what is being said to media, that that blasted car has not already been examined forensically... Surely they are awaiting further results from any test, and are in process of researching and following up on any info gleaned thus far. I don't like thinking I am that dumb enough to believe nothing has been done so far. IMHO< just saying and all that jazz

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I'm sorry I can not believe, regardless of what is being said to media, that that blasted car has not already been examined forensically... Surely they are awaiting further results from any test, and are in process of researching and following up on any info gleaned thus far. I don't like thinking I am that dumb enough to believe nothing has been done so far. IMHO< just saying and all that jazz

:seeya: I agree ... There is no way they would just "sit" on this IF this car is very important to the investigation ...

I am wondering if the car was submitted and they are still waiting on results of the evidence ?

Or ...

Could it be the evidence has come back and nothing has turned up ?

This "car" is such a "mystery" ...

JMO and MOO ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[k9pia]

Is the FBI involved in this case at all, and at what point would they become involved. I mean, Sierra is a minor, and it appears to be an abduction of some kind - wouldn't the FBI be involved?

Reason I bring this up, is the car - if LE has a car they think is tied to this crime, (even though we don't really know what "type" of crime has been commited), and they say "it will be examined at some point", wouldn't the FBI step in and say we'll look at it if you won't? If I was the parent of a missing child and heard a car had been picked up and held for this long and would "be examined at some point", you better believe I'd be in their offices MAKING them rip it apart for evidence! I'm finding it hard to believe that the car hasn't already been torn apart. If not, what kind of investigation is this?

 

[Annie1004]

Another big clue appears to be for naught. All the car did, IMHO, is add more questions to an already convoluted case. If I am not mistaken, isn't it time for LE to make another "big announcement" to keep the case in the forefront?

 

[cluciano63]

Is the FBI involved in this case at all, and at what point would they become involved. I mean, Sierra is a minor, and it appears to be an abduction of some kind - wouldn't the FBI be involved?

Reason I bring this up, is the car - if LE has a car they think is tied to this crime, (even though we don't really know what "type" of crime has been commited), and they say "it will be examined at some point", wouldn't the FBI step in and say we'll look at it if you won't? If I was the parent of a missing child and heard a car had been picked up and held for this long and would "be examined at some point", you better believe I'd be in their offices MAKING them rip it apart for evidence! I'm finding it hard to believe that the car hasn't already been torn apart. If not, what kind of investigation is this?

I know Sierra is listed on the FBI site (as "missing") and I believe they have had involvement from pretty early on in this case. I also do not believe that LE has not examined this car to the fullest...what I fear is that they may be unable to prove Sierra has ever been inside it, and then, where do they go? This seemed to be the biggest clue to date...JMO

 

[marie-chantal]

The only thing that I can think of in regards to the "vehicle will be examined later" issue is that LE are waiting for either the arrival of a specific type of equipment or of a specialist from another part of the country. I find it hard to believe that in the entire San Francisco Bay Area (or even in CA in general) that LE wouldn't have the resources available to do a thorough examination, but I guess you never know. I still find it hard to believe that they would wait so long to examine the car, but the only semi-logical reason I can come up with is that they're waiting on someone/something specific in order to examine it properly.

Either way, it is very weird.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE has examined the car, and if they did say they hadn't as yet...I guess that would be an example of LE lying, but what would be the point of lying about something like this?

Anyway, I don't trust the media, while, for the most part, I do trust LE. So I am guessing if anyone got something wrong in the telling, it was media.

JMO

 

[Tuba]

The car has bee seized and impounded. It can be examined and inspected.

 

[bgmiller5]

To Protect Sierra, Detectives Share Little Info

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Limited details about the vehicle&#8212;captured in surveillance footage near key areas in the LaMar case&#8212;are being released as a precaution: Investigators don&#8217;t want to compromise the case and subsequently harm Sierra, who they believe is still alive.

&#8220;A lot of people don&#8217;t understand it&#8217;s the way it goes&#8212;they&#8217;ve got to protect her,&#8221; said Davina Joy, who volunteers with the KlaasKids Foundation, the nonprofit organizing weekly searches for Sierra.

http://watsonville.patch.com/articles/vw-associated-with-lamar-case-hasn-t-been-examined

I've stated the same thing a few times, and now someone with even more experience says it. I don't see why it's that hard to absorb.

 

[JDB]

I know Sierra is listed on the FBI site (as "missing") and I believe they have had involvement from pretty early on in this case. I also do not believe that LE has not examined this car to the fullest...what I fear is that they may be unable to prove Sierra has ever been inside it, and then, where do they go? This seemed to be the biggest clue to date...JMO

You are correct the FBI came into the case just 3 days after she went missing. I wondered why so quick and still do. I made a remark than that IF Sierra did runaway she is proabaly scared to death to come now. She never expected the FBI to come in.

 

[thevineyarder]

I am new to this board so I apologize ahead of time if I missed something or am reiterating anyone else's opinion. In regards to the red jetta, it seems to me that the car has undergone a complete forensic examination and the results have proved that Sierra was in fact in this car at some point. This may be why LE stopped searching for a few days, examined the car and resumed their searches in different, more unique locations than previously. Perhaps they are withholding this information from the public because of the possibility that Sierra is alive and if the perpetrator realizes they are one step closer to solving this case and locating the two of them, then we know how that might end. JMO.

 

[bgmiller5]

You are correct the FBI came into the case just 3 days after she went missing. I wondered why so quick and still do. I made a remark than that IF Sierra did runaway she is proabaly scared to death to come now. She never expected the FBI to come in.

Curious, how do we know it was 3 days? All the reports I am seeing are showing 23rd -24th is when the FBI joined, which seems a little late, imo. Not saying I don't believe you, just wondering where I can find the info. Thanks.

 

[fred&edna]

The car has bee seized and impounded. It can be examined and inspected.

So forensic testing is standard procedure for any impounded car? Sorry, I just don't know the legalities and I need to learn these things What if the car was impounded because it was stolen or other reasons not related to a possible abduction? The only link known to us is that the car was seen near the "hot spots" of the investigation... can forensic testing be done without more evidence?

 

[iClone]

ksbw news interview with Jose Cardoza published to YouTube 05.15.12
'Most Wanted' generates leads in Sierra Lamar search - YouTube

 

[Annie1004]

So forensic testing is standard procedure for any impounded car? Sorry, I just don't know the legalities and I need to learn these things What if the car was impounded because it was stolen or other reasons not related to a possible abduction? The only link known to us is that the car was seen near the "hot spots" of the investigation... can forensic testing be done without more evidence?

If the car was seized as evidence, then I am sure it is being forensically tested. I would think a stolen car of any type recovered by LE would be subject to a search, cursory if only to find helpful evidence on what happened.