Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #7 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Eileen730]

As far as the barky dogs, does anyone know if they are outdoor dogs? The reason I ask this is because I have three dogs, they live indoors. I have one that is a barker, he barks at trees, leaves, cows, walkers, other dogs, you name it, if it moves he barks. However, he has a certain look with his back when there is a living person out there, that is when I don't block him out. They would notice if they were indoor dogs and not block them out, they have different barks when they sense something odd. Dogs are great alarms.

Chihuahua was what i saw. 5 of them lol they yap!

 

[Eileen730]

What DNA do the neatly folded clothes have on them?

Was Sierra herself that neat? Not a lot of kids would be?

It is the neatly folded that gets me. I can't see someone abducting a child folding clothes up neatly. Unless someone did it to gain her confidence after changing her appearance for some reason.

'Wedged' to me sounds more like someone put it there to collect later. Neatly folded sounds like someone wanted to arrive home looking like they left. I think Sierra probably did know whoever she went with and that this was planned, but perhaps she met with foul play after or during the lift.

J

Unless they were folded already like from the laundry and sierra was taking them to school could they be a friends clothes she had borrowed.

 

[Tricia]

On Saturday I had the pleasure of meeting Sierra's parents and members of her family

They wanted me to pass along to you how deeply they appreciate all you are doing to help find Sierra.

Just knowing there are people from all over the world who care so much helps them a great deal.

Thank you for being such great people and for being a part of Websleuths.

Tricia Griffith
Co-Owner Websleuths.com

 

[LisaB]

I wonder if they are even regular buses...the website for the school says they do not free transportation and they direct you to a website to arrange service...but no photos of vehicles used...

In case anyone missed this...

It would possibly explain why the bus driver might drive to a student's home. If they had to pay a fee for the bus, she would have an address. Furthermore, she might have the leeway that a district bus driver might as far as staying on the route.

But mainly, I wanted to make sure nobody missed this post, since I think most of us assumed she took a school-provided bus.

 

[katydid23]

What DNA do the neatly folded clothes have on them?

Was Sierra herself that neat? Not a lot of kids would be?

It is the neatly folded that gets me. I can't see someone abducting a child folding clothes up neatly. Unless someone did it to gain her confidence after changing her appearance for some reason.

'Wedged' to me sounds more like someone put it there to collect later. Neatly folded sounds like someone wanted to arrive home looking like they left. I think Sierra probably did know whoever she went with and that this was planned, but perhaps she met with foul play after or during the lift.

J

I still think that Sierra folded those clothes herself. My DD was not 'neat' at all the way her room looked. HOWEVER when she took clothes with her to school or to give to a friend to wear or was returning borrowed clothes, she always took the time to fold them neatly. She was capable of folding things , she just didn't do it that often. So I overlook people saying that Sierra was not someone who folded things neatly. imo, she may have done it that one time because she wanted to wear them later.

 

[liltexans]

We also don't know how many of the neighbors were home at 7:15 in the morning that day. They may have already left for work or have been out of town. There's no way for us to know who was home and could have potentially heard the dogs barking.

 

[mikkismom]

FWIW - Regarding the cul-de-sac/school bus, most modern cul-de-sacs are sized so that a FIRE TRUCK can get in and out - this is building code in our area.

HTH

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What DNA do the neatly folded clothes have on them?

Was Sierra herself that neat? Not a lot of kids would be?

It is the neatly folded that gets me. I can't see someone abducting a child folding clothes up neatly. Unless someone did it to gain her confidence after changing her appearance for some reason.

'Wedged' to me sounds more like someone put it there to collect later. Neatly folded sounds like someone wanted to arrive home looking like they left. I think Sierra probably did know whoever she went with and that this was planned, but perhaps she met with foul play after or during the lift.

J

Anything can become wedged when thrown. My grands occasionally gets one of their balls wedged in one of our trees when they throw it. They dont throw it meaning for it to get into one of the lower trees but their throw is not full of control when they do it.

The car was most likely moving at the time it was tossed and IMO it just happened to get wedged in between the building and the cactus.

At first I thought we may be dealing with a very organized abductor. But now that I have had more time to think about it, I simply think he knew he had to get rid of anything that could be identified as belonging to Sierra. The only way he could get her books, bra, panties, shirt, and pants inside the purse was to fold the clothes up instead of balling them up where they would not fit inside of the purse. This is not a tiny tote purse. It is of medium large size and very capable of holding all the contents, imo.

Simple, put everything in the purse and throw it out and ride on.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

In case anyone missed this...

It would possibly explain why the bus driver might drive to a student's home. If they had to pay a fee for the bus, she would have an address. Furthermore, she might have the leeway that a district bus driver might as far as staying on the route.

But mainly, I wanted to make sure nobody missed this post, since I think most of us assumed she took a school-provided bus.

That was the type of transpo system we had in our school district too. And there was a little bit more leeway. When our neighbor broke his leg he was going to wear his cast for several months. His mom could not drive him all of that time. So his bus driver started picking him up in front of his house. It was against the rules, and he even told the other kids on the bus that he was breaking the rules, but asked if any of them had objections. I guess he was covering his bases with them.

But That makes me wonder---weren't there any other kids on the bus at the time she went to Sierra's?

 

[LisaB]

FWIW - Regarding the cul-de-sac/school bus, most modern cul-de-sacs are sized so that a FIRE TRUCK can get in and out - this is building code in our area.

HTH

Having worked for a Civil Engineering firm that developed residential subdivisions, I know this to be true in those Maryland counties in which I have worked. They woudl provide the drafter with a "turning radius" for the fire trucks used by the local fire station and we could pop it into the drawing to see if it fit.

 

[concentric]

That was the type of transpo system we had in our school district too. And there was a little bit more leeway. When our neighbor broke his leg he was going to wear his cast for several months. His mom could not drive him all of that time. So his bus driver started picking him up in front of his house. It was against the rules, and he even told the other kids on the bus that he was breaking the rules, but asked if any of them had objections. I guess he was covering his bases with them.

But That makes me wonder---weren't there any other kids on the bus at the time she went to Sierra's?[

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That is a heck of a good question. And also, I have wondered this: Sometimes there is one lone child at a bus stop waiting.

 

[liz b.]

In case anyone missed this...

It would possibly explain why the bus driver might drive to a student's home. If they had to pay a fee for the bus, she would have an address. Furthermore, she might have the leeway that a district bus driver might as far as staying on the route.

But mainly, I wanted to make sure nobody missed this post, since I think most of us assumed she took a school-provided bus.

We have that type of system. The driver's are under the same type of rules as regular school bus drivers. The fees are paid at the school office,or it can be online. At no time would a school bus driver have a child's address.They are also not supposed to be "chatting" with any of the kids while they are driving the bus. I do not understand why this issue keeps getting raised..Any school bus driver has to operate on a tight,regulated schedule, for the sake of the kids and their parents.....Just some thoughts...

 

[krkrjx]

It is a bit of a stretch to imagine a bus driver going to pick up a person at their door just because they are not waiting at the bus stop. If this was public transportation I cannot see that happening at all. However, it it was a school bus...maybe. Not likely, but maybe.

This could easly be either corroborated or dismissed by other passengers on that bus when this allegedly happened. Wouldn't at least one have come forward to report this happening? I find it difficult to believe there were no passengers on that bus that morning.

All things considered, I have to go with this didn't happen.

 

[Dee226]

I dont believe they are allowed address of the students!
And they can wait at the bus stop or maybe another street but they cant go off their routes.

They wont even stop a block closer than the designated stop! lol

Bus drivers here are given the addresses of their riders. They go out of their way to stop at each house instead of just the designated bus stops. My kids' designated bus stop is a few houses away but from day one all of the various bus drivers told them to wait in our driveway. I've seen buses go down a road that is a dead end that has 5 homes to see if the child is coming. This year there's a new girl in the house across the street. In the morning she stands in our driveway with my daughter if she's on time, if not, the bus pulls up to her driveway and waits. Coming home the bus driver drops her off at her driveway, then pulls up a few feet and drops my daughter off. So i can easily see Sierra's bus driver going around her home to make sure she didn't miss the bus.

 

[liltexans]

Maybe this issue about the bus is simply the bus driver telling a friend that Sierra never missed the bus and when Sierra didn't show that morning, the bus driver waited an extra minute or 2 at the bus stop to see if Sierra would show up. And now that story has taken on a life of its own and turned into the bus driver driving up to Sierra's house. Maybe next we'll hear that the bus driver rang the doorbell.

JMO

 

[liz b.]

That was the type of transpo system we had in our school district too. And there was a little bit more leeway. When our neighbor broke his leg he was going to wear his cast for several months. His mom could not drive him all of that time. So his bus driver started picking him up in front of his house. It was against the rules, and he even told the other kids on the bus that he was breaking the rules, but asked if any of them had objections. I guess he was covering his bases with them.

But That makes me wonder---weren't there any other kids on the bus at the time she went to Sierra's?

In the case of the child with the broken leg, I'm thinking his mom would have called transportation, and they would have okayed it.It sounds like a special concession,due to that child's injury,and mom's inability to get him to the stop.One of my neighbor's kids is in a wheelchair, and the driver does not stop at his house,we see him going to his bus stop. But, in my experience a transportation district would never okay a driver to decide,on a whim, to drive to a child's address. Even if the driver had the address.Which they wouldn't...sigh...

 

[sorrell skye]

That was the type of transpo system we had in our school district too. And there was a little bit more leeway. When our neighbor broke his leg he was going to wear his cast for several months. His mom could not drive him all of that time. So his bus driver started picking him up in front of his house. It was against the rules, and he even told the other kids on the bus that he was breaking the rules, but asked if any of them had objections. I guess he was covering his bases with them.

But That makes me wonder---weren't there any other kids on the bus at the time she went to Sierra's?

Sierra's stop was the 8th stop on her route (12 stops total), so it's more than likely there were other students on the bus.

I'll try to find the PDF link to the bus routes if anyone wants it for verification.

ETA: bus route info.

http://www.mhu.k12.ca.us/documents/Breaking News/2011-2012 Bus Stops.pdf

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57411371-504083/family-of-missing-calif-girl-sierra-lamar-offers-$10000-for-her-safe-return/

 

[nutkin]

The city I grew up in (about 15000 people) would transport you to school by school bus even if you lived across the street from the school. The bus would stop at every single house of a kid who rode the bus. There were no bus stops.

The city I am in now, has bus stops, but my kids' bus driver stops right in front of our house because there are no other kids at their actual bus stop. We don't live in the best neighborhood (drive-by shooting last night), so I am very grateful for this.

At the beginning of the year, we had to fill out an information sheet for the bus driver. It included child's name, address, phone number(s), and there was a place to sign if the bus was allowed to drop your child off at the bus stop if no adult was there waiting for them.

 

[JDB]

FWIW - Regarding the cul-de-sac/school bus, most modern cul-de-sacs are sized so that a FIRE TRUCK can get in and out - this is building code in our area.

HTH

I live on a cul-de-sac much like Sierra's And a full size bus or Fire truck can not drive down it and turn around without many backing up and moving foward moves. I have watched them with my own eyes.I think the bus really is a mute point IMHO