Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #10

[Sillybilly]

Here are all the live LE broadcasts to my knowledge. No mention of blood spatter. We may "logically" conclude that blood and other DNA was found in the home BUT LE has never, to my knowledge, disclosed details. Why would they? They have to safeguard their evidence for trial. If anyone else has a link from an LE spokesperson that goes into any specific detail vis-a-vis evidence found in the home, please share it. We all go off at a tangent when misinformation is shared and I am trying to keep all my ducks in a row..... The "violent struggle" as we now know was a "violent incident". Several reporters used the word struggle but LE never did. Sorry to be pernickety but I consider these issues to be integral.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/ID/2470474871/?page=9
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/ID/2470909525/?page=8
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/ID/2471835476/?page=6
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/ID/2472647024/?page=4
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/ID/2473617403/?page=3

We do try to keep the facts straight here, so not persnickety at all.

 

[LoisLane]

Why on the fifth day was JO brought into the home by LE if it was determined that murder had taken place? Is that standard procedure especially if evidence of blood was visible in the home? Is it normal that a family member is allowed to enter a murder scene if it is still under investigation? She was quite collected when the media coverage shot her exiting the home as she removed the blue foot covers. Her family members were sitting in the driveway while she entered the home. I just have a hard time believing the murders took place in the home.

 

[P2L]

Nope. Declaring bankruptcy has all sorts of cloaks ... and "we can not assume that it is the only financial interaction he had with him" ... but there is probably a blank, or missing piece, in the place of financial responsibility ... financial dealings with Alvin Liknes, et al.

Exactly

 

[Sillybilly]

I was under the impression that AL and KL filed for personal bankruptcy. So confused now.

AL filed in 1994
KL file in 2012
Winter Petroleum in 2014

Although I'm not sure it has ever been specified whether AL's bankruptcy in 1994 was personal or business.

 

[Sillybilly]

This makes me think that the patent fall out was indeed petty--but not in DG's mind. I think that we will discover that the motive of this tragedy was based on a deranged mind, and no real fault of the victims.

<rsbm>

Agree casesensitive ... like a child where their perception is their reality.

 

[ABro]

AL filed in 1994
KL file in 2012
Winter Petroleum in 2014

Although I'm not sure it has ever been specified whether AL's bankruptcy in 1994 was personal or business.

Also, in the article you linked y'day for the KL bankruptcy, there was no source given for her bankruptcy. I've always found that alleged bankruptcy very strange.

It's quite normal for small oil and gas companies to go bust and be enmeshed in multiple lawsuits, but I don't understand how KL could have gone bankrupt. In Ontario, it's not easy to declare bankruptcy with a solvent spouse.

 

[Sillybilly]

If he is a psychopath/sociopath, he doesn't have any friends. If he is part of an organized crime group, obviously no one will come forward.

Psychopaths can have friends (from the unsuspecting friend's perspective however, not from the psychopath's perspective). That's what I was getting at P2 .. that with nobody coming forward, IF he has friends/associates, ain't nobody talkin' for some reason.

 

[Sillybilly]

Also, in the article you linked y'day for the KL bankruptcy, there was no source given for her bankruptcy. I've always found that alleged bankruptcy very strange.

It's quite normal for small oil and gas companies to go bust and be enmeshed in multiple lawsuits, but I don't understand how KL could have gone bankrupt. In Ontario, it's not easy to declare bankruptcy with a solvent spouse.

This is in the same National Post article I linked yesterday when you asked:

from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...in-bid-to-find-him-his-wife-and-his-grandson/

Both Alvin and Kathryn Liknes had declared bankruptcy in the past; Alvin in 1994, and Kathryn in 2012.

ETA: Sorry, ^^ is different linked article, but with same information as was posted in the Toronto Star article I linked to yesterday:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...June-2014-*ARREST*-10&p=10778257#post10778257

 

[Wondergirl]

I think LE must have known about DG before releasing the surveilance video of his truck.

Jeff Liknes talked about DG's truck being a piece of crap etc.

There is no way, IMO, that the family did not identify that truck as Garlands.

I think LE had him under surveillance in hopes that the family was alive, that he was keeping them.

There is no way Jeff Liknes or Patti Garland would not have identified that truck before it went public.

I think LE wanted witnesses to the truck and I also think they wanted to see what Garland would do after the video of his truck was released.

JMO

 

[ABro]

This is in the same National Post article I linked yesterday when you asked:

from:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...in-bid-to-find-him-his-wife-and-his-grandson/

Yes, but they don't say how they know she went bankrupt or give any details. In his case, there's a long explanation.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

I think LE must have known about DG before releasing the surveilance video of his truck.

Jeff Liknes talked about DG's truck being a piece of crap etc.

There is no way, IMO, that the family did not identify that truck as Garlands.

I think LE had him under surveillance in hopes that the family was alive, that he was keeping them.

There is no way Jeff Liknes or Patti Garland would not have identified that truck before it went public.

I think LE wanted witnesses to the truck and I also think they wanted to see what Garland would do after the video of his truck was released.

JMO

It was Allen Liknes who said that the truck was a piece of crap

 

[stan laurel]

Psychopaths can have friends (from the unsuspecting friend's perspective however, not from the psychopath's perspective). That's what I was getting at P2 .. that with nobody coming forward, IF he has friends/associates, ain't nobody talkin' for some reason.

For those wondering where DG went to school; http://www.classfinders.com/directory/ab/airdrie/

as for something I had come across and was going to post (or see if mods would), I decided to pass the info along to the police instead and can't post here now due to this. sorry.

 

[stan laurel]

It was Allen Liknes who said that the truck was a piece of crap

how would he know this if he had only spoken to/had seen DG once in 4 years. did AL'n drive it or talk to DG about it? not important but an odd statement nonetheless

 

[LoisLane]

how would he know this if he had only spoken to/had seen DG once in 4 years. did AL'n drive it or talk to DG about it? not important but an odd statement nonetheless

My guess is that since the truck was late 80's, early 90's he had it for more than 4 years and AL would know of it.

 

[otto]

Absolutely. They were retiring to a condo in Mexico, and that they would be splitting their time between that Mexico vacation property and a home in Edmonton

It is not acceptable to hide finances.
Was this couple bankrupt, vacationing in Mexico, or hoping for the best of both worlds ... in terms of benefit and cost ... a la ... certified general accountant ... et al ... where are the assets?

 

[goodasgold]

how would he know this if he had only spoken to/had seen DG once in 4 years. did AL'n drive it or talk to DG about it? not important but an odd statement nonetheless

He could just be saying what PG told him. JMO

 

[ABro]

Absolutely. They were retiring to a condo in Mexico, and that they would be splitting their time between that Mexico vacation property and a home in Edmonton

It is not acceptable to hide finances.
Was this couple bankrupt, vacationing in Mexico, or hoping for the best of both worlds ... in terms of benefit and cost ... a la ... certified general accountant ... et al ... where are the assets?

You make a lot of negative assumptions about them.

I'd like to see some proof KL even went bankrupt. I'm not convinced it hasn't been misreported. (ETA: proof provided)

It would be hard to find an entrepreneur in AL's field, who hadn't been involved in lawsuits.

There is no proof he did anything incorrect with regard to DG and the patent.

ETA: I find her bankruptcy strange, but it may be irrelevant.

 

[wendiesan]

Also, in the article you linked y'day for the KL bankruptcy, there was no source given for her bankruptcy. I've always found that alleged bankruptcy very strange.

It's quite normal for small oil and gas companies to go bust and be enmeshed in multiple lawsuits, but I don't understand how KL could have gone bankrupt. In Ontario, it's not easy to declare bankruptcy with a solvent spouse.

I'm not sure that her bankruptcy has any relevance in this violent incident and disappearance.

The Likneses&#8217; lives weren&#8217;t always easy. Alvin filed for bankruptcy in 1993 with liabilities outweighing his assets by more than $100,000. Kathryn followed a similar path in 2012, citing &#8220;poor money management&#8221; as well as heaping loans and unpaid taxes as the reason for her own filing.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/11...e-put-family-first-had-eyes-on-new-adventure/

 

[goodasgold]

For those wondering where DG went to school; http://www.classfinders.com/directory/ab/airdrie/

as for something I had come across and was going to post (or see if mods would), I decided to pass the info along to the police instead and can't post here now due to this. sorry.

Do you mean the thing you came across earlier that supports why you feel there was an accomplice? Or is this something new?

 

[Cherchri]

how would he know this if he had only spoken to/had seen DG once in 4 years. did AL'n drive it or talk to DG about it? not important but an odd statement nonetheless

That was someone giving misinformation again! AL hadn't seen DG for about 4 years but his son common law husband of PG, DG's sister saw him last thanksgiving.