Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #14

[stan laurel]

Isn't there something about having to live in Canada for six months of the year in order to qualify, or can anyone that is a Canadian citizen live anywhere in the world full time, and have the option of accessing the Canadian health care system for the cost of a plane ticket? I wonder how many people keep a cheap, permanent address in Canada but live more or less full time in another country. Is it believable that Alvin - the oil/gas/construction man, and Kathryn - pillar of her community, are going to downsize to an old house in the middle of nowhere? It's possible, I suppose, but does it seem realistic that they planned to live the Mexico retiree life and the little shack in the sticks life?

Maybe we can get newstalk to ask Mike Duffy how it works. As for the Evansburg house, it doesn't hurt that Wesboro Homes is owned by his twin brother,, I'm sure they could make a larger home on the lot for next to peanuts.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am not sure if this old photo was posted before.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/File...thy+Liknes+their+grandson/10005816/story.html

I wonder if that truck in the photo from 1999 is the same green one? Doubtful, but I zoomed in, enlarged and lightened the photo and it looks like the same model, not sure on the color though. If it was the same truck, that kind of gives us insight on his personality a bit.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Does anyone (local or not) know if there's any abandoned mines around Airdrie or maybe even the Crossfield area?

 

[stan laurel]

Does anyone (local or not) know if there's any abandoned mines around Airdrie or maybe even the Crossfield area?

drumheller but reeeeeeally sketchy. as for lakes, eagle lake is straight out on glenmore trail from macleod.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

drumheller but reeeeeeally sketchy. as for lakes, eagle lake is straight out on glenmore trail from macleod.

Thanks Stan, trying to think outside the box in case they've found nothing at the acreage, or anywhere else (yet). I keep wondering….where is a secluded, easy place to get rid of crime victims quickly? I haven't been to Alberta where I grew up in years, so can't remember much about the surrounding areas in detail. Hypothetically thinking about this if DG didn't 'take his time' getting rid of evidence. I'm hoping they're found for the family to get some closure.

 

[Cherchri]

Have you noticed in your career, that when LE is especially quiet about the details of the case, it tends to end up an especially gruesome crime?

I find they tend to be more sensitive surrounding children that have suffered atrocious murders, so that the media doesn't sensationalize the details.

Absolutely News.Talk. In spite of some of the flack I have fielded here for my theory, I suspect the facts will be even worse than my imaginings. I have to say that, regardless of some of the hideous trials I have endured, I have never become desensitized - especially where children, animals and the elderly are concerned. I am thankful for that.

 

[Cherchri]

I wonder if that truck in the photo from 1999 is the same green one? Doubtful, but I zoomed in, enlarged and lightened the photo and it looks like the same model, not sure on the color though. If it was the same truck, that kind of gives us insight on his personality a bit.

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I'm not sure but I think this one has a longer bed?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I can't tell if DG is super arrogant or a coward who crumbles when someone says 'boo'. I thought arrogant, but maybe I'm wrong. If we knew this I think it would help find where the trio were put and how.

I watched a recent episode of 'The Hunt' with Adam Walsh where they profiled killer Brad Bishop who murdered his 5 family members (wife, mother and 3 children) and is still a wanted fugitive. After he murdered them, he loaded them all in the back of the family station wagon and drove 275 miles (6 hours) with a car full of deceased persons to secluded woods, buried them in a shallow grave, poured gasoline and lit them on fire. My point is - Brad Bishop was arrogant enough to (take his time) and drive 6 hours with his deceased family in the car without worrying about the risk of being caught, then drew attention to the crime by the fire. I can't tell if DG would've spent the time to hide the family, or did he do a quick rid of them?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm not sure but I think this one has a longer bed?

You're probably right Cherchri, I can't tell myself. Looks like the same shape, but it's too bad quality a pic to know unless someone is a truck buff.

 

[Cherchri]

I can't tell if DG is super arrogant or a coward who crumbles when someone says 'boo'. I thought arrogant, but maybe I'm wrong. If we knew this I think it would help find where the trio were put and how.

I watched a recent episode of 'The Hunt' with Adam Walsh where they profiled killer Brad Bishop who murdered his 5 family members (wife, mother and 3 children) and is still a wanted fugitive. After he murdered them, he loaded them all in the back of the family station wagon and drove 275 miles (6 hours) with a car full of deceased persons to secluded woods, buried them in a shallow grave, poured gasoline and lit them on fire. My point is - Brad Bishop was arrogant enough to (take his time) and drive 6 hours with his deceased family in the car without worrying about the risk of being caught, then drew attention to the crime by the fire. I can't tell if DG would've spent the time to hide the family, or did he do a quick rid of them?

I think we have to consider why he took his victims from the Parkhill residence. Why not just close the door and leave? I believe he wanted to eliminate any trace of his victims. He could have had barrels, a tarp, a huge chest.... Whatever....with him in the back of the Ford. At that time of night or very early morning, he wouldn't have been under much pressure in terms of traffic or being spotted. Time was on his side and I have no doubt he had everything planned in advance (except for NO). I hold firm with my theory of sodium hydroxide and incineration.

 

[stan laurel]

You're probably right Cherchri, I can't tell myself. Looks like the same shape, but it's too bad quality a pic to know unless someone is a truck buff.

are the wheel wells round or square? the truck in the 99 pic looks like a 3/4 ton and the green one a half ton imo.

 

[CentralAlberta]

Thanks Stan, trying to think outside the box in case they've found nothing at the acreage, or anywhere else (yet). I keep wondering….where is a secluded, easy place to get rid of crime victims quickly? I haven't been to Alberta where I grew up in years, so can't remember much about the surrounding areas in detail. Hypothetically thinking about this if DG didn't 'take his time' getting rid of evidence. I'm hoping they're found for the family to get some closure.

He could have easily gone into the mountains or Forestry Trunk Road and found a remote place to dump remains, whatever condition they may have been in. Having been raised so close to these areas, he could easily be quite familiar with them. MOO

 

[CentralAlberta]

i think we have to consider why he took his victims from the parkhill residence. Why not just close the door and leave? I believe he wanted to eliminate any trace of his victims. He could have had barrels, a tarp, a huge chest.... Whatever....with him in the back of the ford. At that time of night or very early morning, he wouldn't have been under much pressure in terms of traffic or being spotted. Time was on his side and i have no doubt he had everything planned in advance (except for no). I hold firm with my theory of sodium hydroxide and incineration.

ia 100%

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I think we have to consider why he took his victims from the Parkhill residence. Why not just close the door and leave? I believe he wanted to eliminate any trace of his victims. He could have had barrels, a tarp, a huge chest.... Whatever....with him in the back of the Ford. At that time of night or very early morning, he wouldn't have been under much pressure in terms of traffic or being spotted. Time was on his side and I have no doubt he had everything planned in advance (except for NO). I hold firm with my theory of sodium hydroxide and incineration.

Yes, he could've took them to take his DNA evidence that might've been on them and/or to make it look like they skipped town after the sale and/or to leave no trace whatsoever of them. Could be either of those reasons… If LE do indeed have evidence that chemicals/incineration were used on, I'm surprised they would still be searching for them.

Either way, I'm still trying to think of all and any other options for ridding of the victims. I have my personal theories, but I'm still thinking of many others to brainstorm to think of absolutely everything and anything to find the trio to return to their families if there is anything at all to recover. If they're out there, I hope they find them. If they're not, I hope LE can tell the family so they can try to heal if that's the only sense of closure they might have.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

are the wheel wells round or square? the truck in the 99 pic looks like a 3/4 ton and the green one a half ton imo.

Can't tell, the pic quality isn't so great. Thanks though Stan, I'm sure it's not the same truck, I'd be surprised if it was. But who knows, thought it would've been interesting if it was.

 

[winnnancy]

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

They may have sent mountains in and there will be a report on each item but it depends on what will have come back as positive and indisputable as evidence of the crime.

 

[Slebby]

He could have easily gone into the mountains or Forestry Trunk Road and found a remote place to dump remains, whatever condition they may have been in. Having been raised so close to these areas, he could easily be quite familiar with them. MOO

Yes, I think this is a very strong possibility. I have said before, he could have driven 3 or more hours in any direction and dumped the remains somewhere that would not implicate him in any way. DG was living alone on the family acreage, no one would miss him if he was gone overnight or longer.

Last weekend, there was a murder in Calgary. The suspect was found the next day in Ontario, 1400 km away. A determined murderer can get pretty far in a day.

If bodies are dumped somewhere remote enough, it doesn't matter how deep they are buried or how well weighted they are in a water dump - no one is going to come across the remains.

IMHO

 

[otto]

I think we have to consider why he took his victims from the Parkhill residence. Why not just close the door and leave? I believe he wanted to eliminate any trace of his victims. He could have had barrels, a tarp, a huge chest.... Whatever....with him in the back of the Ford. At that time of night or very early morning, he wouldn't have been under much pressure in terms of traffic or being spotted. Time was on his side and I have no doubt he had everything planned in advance (except for NO). I hold firm with my theory of sodium hydroxide and incineration.

The police chief said that victims are removed from the scene of the crime because murderers watch crime shows and know that forensic evidence on bodies leads to convictions. By removing the bodies, murderers hope to remove evidence. If he had barrels, a wheel barrow, tarp, or chest in the back of his truck, then he made two trips because none of that is in the back of the truck in the photo of the truck on the night of the murder. It's more likely, in terms of not getting caught, that he made one trip to the crime scene (although he made a couple of passes by the residence), that the photo was taken earlier in the evening; prior to the murders, and that is why there is nothing in the back of his truck.

If police had any evidence that the bodies no longer exist - and I believe there would be some evidence even if chemicals were used, why would they be spending long hours searching for evidence of bodies?

 

[otto]

He could have easily gone into the mountains or Forestry Trunk Road and found a remote place to dump remains, whatever condition they may have been in. Having been raised so close to these areas, he could easily be quite familiar with them. MOO

Police believe the accused may be connected to Helena, who was murdered in 2006 and left in a field 10 miles from his parent's acreage.

 

[Slebby]

Police believe the accused may be connected to Helena, who was murdered in 2006 and left in a field 10 miles from his parent's acreage.

Question: was her body buried or just dumped? My recollection is that she was dumped. And yet it took quite a long time for her remains to be found. I have argued a few times that the bodies of the Ls and NO could have been dumped and not buried somewhere remote. If I was a murderer intent on disposing of bodies, I'd be trying to get them out of my possession ASAP, not wasting precious time trying to chemically dissolve or burn them down to ash.

Why get rid of the bodies at all? I think it could be for the simple reason that without bodies, prosecution can be much more difficult. This added to the fact the Ls were leaving the country might create enough reasonable doubt about whether they were actually dead. At least, that might be the rational behind removing the bodies.

IMO