Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #8

[craftybatchy]

It's Canada. Think again.

http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-ma...on-a-greyhound-bus-in-winnipeg-is-getting-out

True. Unfortunately.

As in the case of Vince Li a.k.a. The Bus Beheader
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-granted-unsupervised-outings-1.2554175

Or Guy Turcotte
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/guy-turcotte-murder/.
Although Turcotte has been remanded back into custody pending retrial, he was previously deemed NCR.

If Garland is guilty, put him in level 5 at Colony Farm. He won't last long.

 

[JWhite]

Here we go: Charges are formally laid:
http://www.660news.com/2014/07/14/p...nts-are-dead-but-search-for-bodies-continues/
"Calgary police have formally laid two counts of first degree murder and one of second degree murder against Douglas Garland in connection to the disappearance of Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Kathryn and Alvin Liknes.

Garland appeared before a Justice of the Peace late Monday night."

 

[swedie]

So terribly heartbreaking to learn the latest news today. Certainly not the outcome we all hoped for but many of us feared. Here's hoping the SOB has an ounce of guilt and sympathy for the family and has the the decency of telling LE where they can locate their loved ones. I have to wonder how long DG had planned this out. IMO he was brewing for a very long time and he used the open house estate sale as the perfect opportunity to carry out his sick crime. He figured with so many people coming and going from the house, leaving fingerprints and other evidence behind, the heavier than normal traffic on those streets around the Liknes' home, he had the prefect opportunity. He's not as smart as he thinks he is. JMHO.

RIP Alvin, Kathryn and little Nathan. Justice will be served.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1449500/person-of-interest-in-missing-family-case-re-arrested/

 

[cathdawg]

That's only for the identity theft charges ... but maybe he'll defend the accused for the murders as well.

Thanks, yes Kim is a criminal Lawyer that loves the media (lots do) J... you are right, DG can pick and choose if he has the funds which to me, says he has some form of backing or he personally has money . The initial charges would have cost a bomb. I live in Vancouver and to prepare one fairly basic business legal letter the cost was $1,500 ..I am sure the Lawyers will come a running to this is a case, its right up there with all the other special cases.

Sorry for all the errors, long day and too much vino.....

 

[ztzt]

I still haven't seen the video of DG being brought to JP.

 

[Shags0sh]

My opinion is that this was more passionate - and AL+KL were preparing to leave for an indefinite amount of time.

IMHO I think passionate doesn't fit the bill here. However, premeditated, psychopath would be far more fitting. I truly believe this was masterminded for weeks/months before this happened. Being accused of murder is absolutely horrible, being accused of murdering a child.....I don't think I can put my thoughts on WS, as I fear I would be in breach of saying something that's against the rules.

I realize DGs parents are now in their 80s, they must still be pretty 'with it' if they were out camping or rv'ing when this all happened. I would be really interested to hear the why's of providing DG with a comfortable life after so many wrongs during the course of his life....one can question the professionals opinion that DG was not a threat or posed minimal threat to public safety[modsnip].

I hope the many families that have been forever changed will find closure in this truly heinous crime. I wish JO and RO light and some sort of peace and comfort at the end of their darkness, their tragedy has touched many, many people across Canada and the globe. I know everyone was trying to 'will' a positive outcome to this grim, unthinkable case, and many are left with a heavy heart. (((Hugs))) to all involved.

 

[cathdawg]

I must learn about our Prov of BC, I wonder if a JP can reign over the conviction of a murder charge. In BC I would think it has to be a supreme court judge...hmmm JP here in Van seem to marry folks..and that's about it.

 

[cathdawg]

That's only for the identity theft charges ... but maybe he'll defend the accused for the murders as well.

Thanks, yes he is a criminal Lawyer that loves the media (lots do) JMO... you are right DG can pick and choose if he has the funds which to me, says he has some form of backing or he personally has money . The initial charges would have cost a bomb. I live in Vancouver and to prepare one legal letter,the cost was $1,500 for a straight forward business letter....I am sure the Lawyers will come a running to this is a case its right up there with all the other special cases.

 

[Snoop Sister]

OMG! Garland doesn't look old or frail at all!!!!

He looks strong, healthy and completely capable of physically dragging bodies!!!!


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Exactly what I was thinking. The drawing is not even close in likeness!

 

[lucipurr]

lol it was only the sketch artists second time doing a court room drawing.. yikes.

 

[ztzt]

What was that picture about? What happened at that airport back then?

Found answer here:
File photo 06/21/99: Medical school dropout and accused drug lab operator Douglas Garland (white shirt and glasses) arrested several years ago for manufacturing drug, escaped police custody and was later apprehended by police in Vancouver after living several years under an alias.

 

[Orangeboy]

I believe the crown is going for first degree "premeditated" murder because there is evidence to support the charge OR the crown is leveraging themselves for a confession and potentially for a plea to 2nd degree. Either way he is in jail for the rest of his sorry pathetic life.

Here is wha I believe makes it Pre-meditated:

-the video of him casing the neighbourhood
-the fact that there looks to be some kind of motive (yet unconfirmed- but IMO)
-the fact that the crime scene was cleaned up and the perp hid the bodies shows a calculated response
-perhaps there is other evidence collected that we don't know ie computer searches that reveal plans, interviews with family, colleagues etc.

as the case is built around pre-meditation it will be more difficult for the defense to claim insanity.... I hope.

There have been some pretty heinous crimes committed in Canada where the person was acquitted by reason of insanity but in these cases the person IMO really was crazy. The crime wasn't planned it just happened spur of the moment.

for example:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...t-to-leave-mental-hospital-without-on-escort/

The one thing I'm worried about is that the defense will actually use the murder of that poor child as a defense.... ie-- What kind of person murders a 5 year old child?... A mentally unstable person, that's who.

Also-- I would be seriously interested in hearing where Garland's parents are in all of this? Now that charges are laid I think they should put forth some sort of prepared statement for the victim's families and the public. It's still early days I guess but I do think it is weird that their farm has been the subject of one of the largest searches in recent history for over 10 days now and there hasn't been a peep from these folks via lawyer or family spokesperson. Weird. I sort of worry for DG's parents. I hope they are getting good legal advice and have the support of friends and family. I don't think they will ever be able to return to that farm and live the life they had there.

 

[deugirtni]

OMG, forget what I said about life being over if the 'insanity defence' is used. I can't believe they let these people out! Ever! Let alone so very quickly???!!!
Something is seriously wrong with our country's justice (or lack of it). This is infuriating. Beware ANYone out in the public who is anywhere near this guy, who will one day think he is fine and not need his meds any more. Isn't that part of their disease? The meds make them feel so normal that they think they *are* normal and so they think they don't need them any more, and voila, we have a repeat offender.

True. Unfortunately.

As in the case of Vince Li a.k.a. The Bus Beheader
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-granted-unsupervised-outings-1.2554175

Or Guy Turcotte
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/guy-turcotte-murder/.
Although Turcotte has been remanded back into custody pending retrial, he was previously deemed NCR.

If Garland is guilty, put him in level 5 at Colony Farm. He won't last long.

 

[deugirtni]

BBM below. I think the murdering of the boy is even greater proof of the perp having his wits about him, for he was killed as collateral damage (the word I wouldn't remember in another post) in order to save his arse from being caught (no witness to ID him). Crazy as it is, his mind had a thought-out reason for doing so - complete selfishness to protect himself.

I believe the crown is going for first degree "premeditated" murder because there is evidence to support the charge OR the crown is leveraging themselves for a confession and potentially for a plea to 2nd degree. Either way he is in jail for the rest of his sorry pathetic life.

Here is wha I believe makes it Pre-meditated:

-the video of him casing the neighbourhood
-the fact that there looks to be some kind of motive (yet unconfirmed- but IMO)
-the fact that the crime scene was cleaned up and the perp hid the bodies shows a calculated response
-perhaps there is other evidence collected that we don't know ie computer searches that reveal plans, interviews with family, colleagues etc.

as the case is built around pre-meditation it will be more difficult for the defense to claim insanity.... I hope.

There have been some pretty heinous crimes committed in Canada where the person was acquitted by reason of insanity but in these cases the person IMO really was crazy. The crime wasn't planned it just happened spur of the moment.

for example:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...t-to-leave-mental-hospital-without-on-escort/

The one thing I'm worried about is that the defense will actually use the murder of that poor child as a defense.... ie-- What kind of person murders a 5 year old child?... A mentally unstable person, that's who.

Also-- I would be seriously interested in hearing where Garland's parents are in all of this? Now that charges are laid I think they should put forth some sort of prepared statement for the victim's families and the public. It's still early days I guess but I do think it is weird that their farm has been the subject of one of the largest searches in recent history for over 10 days now and there hasn't been a peep from these folks via lawyer or family spokesperson. Weird. I sort of worry for DG's parents. I hope they are getting good legal advice and have the support of friends and family. I don't think they will ever be able to return to that farm and live the life they had there.

 

[ztzt]

IMO any killer who destroyed the bodies of his victims will not voluntarily confess what he did with the bodies. He'll only confess if the prosecutor found the evidence.

I think when the chief said the investigators continue to ask people to check around and pay attention to anything suspicious on their land, they meant to ask them to notice anything that may be destroyed remains, sadly. Why do you think the killer remove the bodies? More likely to destroy than to dump them in recognizable form.

 

[lucipurr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/meredith-borowiec-says-she-wasn-t-normal-when-she-left-babies-in-dumpster-1.2515932
This is a lovely one from calgary

 

[Snoop Sister]

A judge and prosecutor were kept up until the middle of the night to lay charges, most likely with the hope that the media would have gone home and left them to do their job quietly ... also to protect the rights of the presumed innocent.

There is a Justice of the Peace on call at any given time for people getting charged. The crown is not present.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I must learn about our Prov of BC, I wonder if a JP can reign over the conviction of a murder charge. In BC I would think it has to be a supreme court judge...hmmm JP here in Van seem to marry folks..and that's about it.

The Justice of the Peace is just there for the charges. He/she doesn't reign over anything.

 

[deugirtni]

 

[musicaljoke]

Someone else asked if it was a wood chipper. I said it looked like one but I couldn't see the chute. There are models that have detachable chutes. This is the pic with the piece of equipment next to the burn barrels:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54529

Other suggestions were crop fertilizer or crop seeder ...s.

It's definitely not a seeder or fertilizer spreader. It looks like a feed chopper. We had one on the farm when I was young. If I remember correctly, it was hooked up to a power take off behind a tractor. It used to chop corn and grain, or hay, for cattle feed. I could be wrong, but it would explain why this piece of equipment is there.

Would it be recently used to make "chop" for cows? I doubt it. Neither do I think that it was used for anything else. It's just an abandoned piece of old machinery, IMO. If it had been used, it would have been picked up by LE and carted away.