Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

[ResearchQuest]

I am a bit apprehensive to post this as it didn't go well in another thread here recently but, he could have Aspergers syndrome. I am not implying anything by saying that. Just a hunch I had.

We still know very little about DG except for his criminal and education past, he is a loner, he lives with his parents, AFAIK he has never been married, no mention of an ex-girlfriend anywhere.

It's pretty hard to diagnose someone with Asperger's (or anything else) if you:
1. Have not met and tested them personally; and
2. Are not a trained medical professional

 

[ResearchQuest]

I do too, and dg was a hunter so he would have various winches and dressing articles for caches that get hung in trees. or it could be concealed in a hole or wrapped around a limb.

Do you have the MSM link that shows DG was a hunter? Thx.

 

[julydarling]

Getting to Stoney from Parkhill would require travelling on some major roads unless you were very familiar with that area. I have a girlfriend who knows a back route everywhere between downtown and Chinook Mall because she's lived in the vicinity for most of her life but I'm not sure that everyone would know the same. I'm not sure he'd go through Balzac ... it's gotten busier due to the mall. There are an infinite number of routes one could travel off Stoney to Airdrie though .... anyone with a good knowledge of that area, such as DG, would have been intimately familiar with them. I've been turned around a few times trying some different route and always found a way back to Calgary or to Airdrie. There are so many abandoned farm buildings, etc ... along the way n

Right. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I know he would have to go on major roads to get to Stoney, however the time he'd have to be on them would be minimal. Just running through several scenarios in my head.
Balzac is busier than before, but not during the early morning (midnight to 5ish) hours.
I also have to wonder just how familiar he was with the area of the Liknes home. I said in an earlier post, I think he watched them for a long time to learn their habits and routines. That's just IMO. He either recently spent time with the family at their home (doubtful) or watched them. Theres no way someone who thinks their so clever would just wander down there and decide to commit such a crime. I am certain he watched from afar, plotted out routes and such.
Which leads me to another question - if he did this, surely he would know that NO spent time there frequently. In my head, he watched them the day of the estate sale when there were lots of people coming and going so as not to be noticed. Maybe he even watched and waited for NO to leave, not realizing that he was dropped off again at 10 pm.

 

[ResearchQuest]

As a teenager, and after being expelled from university for cheating, Garland monkeyed with chemicals at his parents property. He finished high school in 1978, was expelled from university in 1981, and wasn't it in 1982 that he was looking at meth labs and cheap money? When was he charged, when was he convicted, and was he released on bail when he went to BC and assumed a false identification? The false identify was from 1992-1999. What was Garland doing between 1981 and 1992?

Given the amount of chemicals that the family had in the house (per the green tarp), I'm wondering if the septic tank ever worked. I cannot believe that those chemicals were used by the parents to maintain the house ... so why were they in the house? What were all those chemicals used for?

I don't think that Garland was driving down the TransCanada highway in his 1993 truck dumping bodies off the side of the highway in the middle of the Roger's Pass.

Exactly. I know what you're getting at, but I can't bring myself to type it. I'm so uncomfortable with the graphic details of HR disposal. But let me just say that I believe that DG used his extensive knowledge of chemistry to dispose of the bodies. Then disposed of the evidence the best he could before he was arrested the first time. He must have known he only had a few days. What's puzzling, though, is why did he not skip town?

 

[ResearchQuest]

Where I live everyone who is single, and I mean everyone in their 40's-60's have an on-line dating profile. It seems to attract a lot of 'one date wonders' and people who can't do relationships, loners and strange types too. I have wondered if somewhere there is a woman or a number of women that has had coffee with or even 'hung out' with DG. He is not ugly, appears dignified and presentable.

Worthwhile having a look, I'd say. But he had little to no online presence at all. I'd say his main motivation in life wasn't dating, it was crime. And criminals rarely advertise themselves on line.

 

[garbagetweet]

Folks who live in Calgary - i have a question for you. What route would you take from the Liknes home back to Airdrie? If it were me and I had something to hide, I would try to get to Stoney Trail as soon as possible and avoid street lights, police, cameras as much as possible.
This Canada Day long weekend was a weird one. A lot of people had Monday off, and made a super long weekend out of it. McLeod trail is usually a hotbed of shenanigans with a lot of police presence, tons of businesses, lights etc. I certainly would stay away from there.

So (again, if it were me) I would hightail it to the east portion of Stoney. It's quiet and theres no one on there at this time of night - also access to a lot of back roads via Balzac etc.

The reason I am asking this is because I'm trying to figure out if there is any viable spots he could have dumped evidence along the way that could avoid detection for awhile.

If I wanted to get from Parkhill to Airdrie ASAP and without running across too many other motorists or possibly police I would use 42 Ave to Blackfoot and head north on the Deerfoot. Going east to Stoney Trail is way too much hassle.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

Right. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I know he would have to go on major roads to get to Stoney, however the time he'd have to be on them would be minimal. Just running through several scenarios in my head.
Balzac is busier than before, but not during the early morning (midnight to 5ish) hours.
I also have to wonder just how familiar he was with the area of the Liknes home. I said in an earlier post, I think he watched them for a long time to learn their habits and routines. That's just IMO. He either recently spent time with the family at their home (doubtful) or watched them. Theres no way someone who thinks their so clever would just wander down there and decide to commit such a crime. I am certain he watched from afar, plotted out routes and such.
Which leads me to another question - if he did this, surely he would know that NO spent time there frequently. In my head, he watched them the day of the estate sale when there were lots of people coming and going so as not to be noticed. Maybe he even watched and waited for NO to leave, not realizing that he was dropped off again at 10 pm.

NO wasn't dropped off again at 10, JO left at 10 with her other son leaving NO for a sleepover.

 

[ResearchQuest]

I truly believe that everything in life happens for a reason........thus, the hail storm, thus all fields being inspected for insurance claims and perhaps, finding the bodies of precious Nathan and his grandparents.

I don't agree at all, because what was the reason for their disappearance in the first place?

 

[ResearchQuest]

I am pretty sure we all know DG is a sociopath...but I found this article which I found very interesting and very on point with DG....worth a read

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Nailed it.

 

[Sillybilly]

I would be surprised to learn that a science nerd was also a hunter ...

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Most science nerds wouldn't steal a tractor trailer either

 

[garbagetweet]

I'd say his main motivation in life wasn't dating, it was crime.

This is likely highly dubious.

 

[julydarling]

NO wasn't dropped off again at 10, JO left at 10 with her other son leaving NO for a sleepover.

Thank you - I didn't realize that.

 

[ResearchQuest]

However, if the bodies were not obviously visible but covered with a blanket or carpet, then I feel that LE wouldn't want to make a premature arrest without accumulating more evidence.

Excellent point. LE said that the truck was seen several times in the neighbourhood. Yet, we have only been shown the one photo of the truck. Therefore, there is a reason for that. That reason could be that there were items in the back of the truck.

Also, LE asked family members to come to the house and see if anything was missing. These missing items could be blankets, mattresses, bookshelves, rugs, whatever else DG could have used to cover up the victims. I recall a photo of LE bringing a blanket back from the landfill.

So, hypothetically, DG made several trips from the victims' home to the Airdrie acreage, each time covering up evidence with the missing items.

Then, once he finished, (sorry) he used his chemical knowledge to dispose of bodies and evidence, followed by burning. IMVHO (in my VERY humble opinion) there are no bodies. So really no use in looking for them. There is just forensic evidence to find, DNA, very small things.

This also explains why DG did not skip town. He needed a few days to dispose of bodies and associated evidence.

Given his past behavior, after committing a crime, he would have ran. He may have planned to do the same this time, but wanted to finish off his original plan first. After all, he's a meticulous planner, as we have seen.

 

[ResearchQuest]

If that had been seen on CCTV from the house he would have been arrested on far more serious charges sooner than he was. I'm not sure that this is an avenue to travel.

But they can't arrest someone for having a mattress in the back of the truck. They needed solid evidence to arrest him, or else the case would go belly up.

 

[ResearchQuest]

This is likely highly dubious.

Dubious that his motivation was crime? I'd say he had it on his mind a lot.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

It's very easy to armchair diagnose people. I have a minor in developmental psychology and when I took abnormal psych I found that I was able to diagnose everyone I knew with something, lol. A lot of people who fit the dignostic criteria for one disorder will often have a comorbid condition. It takes a vast amount of expertise to tease out the intricacies of what differentiates one disorder from another as many are similar and something as simple of the motivation behind the behaviour can determine the difference. For example, when my son was 3 he was diagnosed with PDD-NOS which is under the Autism Spectrum Disorder Spectrum. As he got older his diagnosis was changed to ADHD. Some of the behaviour is the same but the motivation and reason behind the behaviour completely different. I'm sure with DG there will be a mental evaluation at some point.

 

[violet56]

If he was to remove the bodies and come back that's a fair bit of travel unless he had somewhere close by in mind to dispose of the 3. This would also be a red flag for anyone who may have noticed his truck at the L home earlier if he was coming and going. I cannot really imagine A's truck playing a big role if DG is one of comfort and planning. He would be unfamiliar with the truck and not know if it was in good running order and would not likely want to be in position where he would become stuck somewhere with 3 bodies and stolen vehicle. I would think if anything the 3 may be closer to the L home. If they had a trunk they were selling neighbors might not think much at all if they saw someone leaving with a trunk being that they were having an estate sale, more than likely they may have cast a quick glance and thought nothing of it. It wouldn't raise much suspision under the circumstances and could even have left earlier without any red flags.

Another thought if he left directly from the home with the 3 having done his clean up and didn't return is one that perhaps he considered a pig farm (slaughter house) like in Bassano to dump? Not sure if employees or workers regularly move through the pens or patrol the lots or if there is cameras. Bassano is not too far and he could have easily made it there and returned to his farm in the evening hours to continue disposal of other evidence.

Just thought I'd mention a reason DG might want to use Al's truck for transportation instead of his own as per Aljr statement here about the green truck

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2014/07/20140716-192250.html

"Liknes says if the missing trio was indeed taken in the suspect's old green pick-up truck, as police allege, then there's probably no need to stray far from easily-accessed roads and the fields and ditches that run alongside them.

Liknes knows the truck in question, and he says it just wasn't up to any serious distance driving or off-road excursions.

"It's a piece of crap truck," he says."

 

[stan laurel]

Do you have the MSM link that shows DG was a hunter? Thx.

it was posted way back and within the text it also said he liked the camrose area and somewhere else. Alberta has more recreational fishermen per capita than any other Province, and hunting isn't far behind.

 

[goodasgold]

Exactly. I know what you're getting at, but I can't bring myself to type it. I'm so uncomfortable with the graphic details of HR disposal. But let me just say that I believe that DG used his extensive knowledge of chemistry to dispose of the bodies. Then disposed of the evidence the best he could before he was arrested the first time. He must have known he only had a few days. What's puzzling, though, is why did he not skip town?

Because he honestly thought he outsmarted the crime and was going to get away with it.

 

[garbagetweet]

Dubious that his motivation was crime? I'd say he had it on his mind a lot.

To claim that his main motivation in life is/was crime is a dubious statement especially considering you have read a few bits of information regarding the man's almost 60 years of existence. I'm not going to defend his past but I also know that it is quite common for folks in their younger years, especially in rural settings, to get in trouble with the law.

I know that we are all very interested in this disappearance and in understanding what happened[modsnip]