Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

[daniela40]

I have been thinking the exact same thing. They definitely would not release those photos as that would be crucial evidence. I believe they have something to that affect in order to know all three victims left in the green truck. JMO

*If* this is the case, then thank goodness for that camera! Can you imagine where this case might be (and what DG could have gotten away with) if it weren't for the good fortune of that camera?!?!?


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[violet56]

When LE first showed the public the green truck they were looking for, they said that he is a person of interest as he was seen multiple times in the neighborhood the night of the disappearance and may have information. Not sure if the LE meant by camera, witnesses, or both.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/calgary-police-search-property-in-airdrie-after-person-of-interest-arrested-in-missing-family-case/

"The vehicle was recorded on security cameras driving around the area several times on the evening the couple and their grandson are believe to have disappeared."

 

[PrincessButtercup]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/calgary-police-search-property-in-airdrie-after-person-of-interest-arrested-in-missing-family-case/

"The vehicle was recorded on security cameras driving around the area several times on the evening the couple and their grandson are believe to have disappeared."

From the beautiful map that Otto provided the only way in or out of the L's street was by passing the building with the CCTV. I'm going to assume that in an upper middle class neighbourhood such as Parkhill there would have been more that one home or building with CCTV but LE likely chose that picture because it was the clearest of the truck without giving away any evidence.

 

[Tealgrove]

I have been thinking the exact same thing. They definitely would not release those photos as that would be crucial evidence. I believe they have something to that affect in order to know all three victims left in the green truck. JMO

If that had been seen on CCTV from the house he would have been arrested on far more serious charges sooner than he was. I'm not sure that this is an avenue to travel.

 

[bakerlady]

I 100% think LE saw something in the back of the truck in some of their photos. I also think there was more than one camera that they used.

What kind of wild predatory animals are in the area? Coyotes? Mountain Lions?

 

[Bravo]

:welcome2:

 

[Cherchri]

Just for fun, here is an online psychopathy checklist based on Hare's PCL-R .... I got 9 so not a psychopath http://vistriai.com/psychopathtest/ but really gives you some insight.

Phew! 12 so also not a psychopath Buttercup

 

[daniela40]

Phew! 12 so also not a psychopath Buttercup

13 and so relieved I'm not a psychopath ha ha!!!


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[PrincessButtercup]

Phew! 12 so also not a psychopath Buttercup

Phew! [emoji3] I think it's important to have a little bit of fun to stay sane ...

 

[tracyhmcd]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/calgary-police-search-property-in-airdrie-after-person-of-interest-arrested-in-missing-family-case/

"The vehicle was recorded on security cameras driving around the area several times on the evening the couple and their grandson are believe to have disappeared."

One last thought on this: it's just semantics, but the word 'evening' could mean driving around in anticipation of the visit. To me, a Calgarian, I'd call anything after 10 pm 'night'. JMO..

 

[Jena308]

Coyotes, Wolves, Bears, Cougars to name a few but that also depends on the location of course.

 

[Watson-1975]

Has anyone seen or has it been posted the Search Area maps that he volunteer group was using over the past few days

 

[julydarling]

Aren't pick up trucks as common as ball caps in Calgary? I doubt that a pickup truck would draw any attention, especially in the driveway at the end of a three day garage sale.

Yes, they're common. However in that part of town in an oil city, no one would bat an eye at a jacked up brand new $100,00 truck An old beater in that part of town would indeed draw suspicion.

 

[skibaboo]

Just for fun, here is an online psychopathy checklist based on Hare's PCL-R .... I got 9 so not a psychopath http://vistriai.com/psychopathtest/ but really gives you some insight.

I got 8

 

[DaisyBlantyre]

IMHO, I'm not convinced DG's green truck was the only method of transportation used.

I still think it's entirely possible that DG parked his truck in the back lane behind their house, gained entry either by slipping in an unlocked door or by being let in, and left with the 3 victims in AL's truck. He disposes of the 3 victims in some manner or places them somewhere to deal with later, brings AL's truck back, cleans up quickly outside the property, wipes down surfaces he remembers touching on the inside and leaves out the back way of the Parkhill home and drives away in his truck.

It was mentioned that SpyHill landfill is where garbage would go from his parent's property although I suspect they haven't found much there. I would suggest that he is fairly thorough and methodical in his approach.

Problem is, he had a few days before LE was on to him. He had a number of chemicals at his disposal and he more than likely planned and plotted this out. Yes, he got caught out by (probably a plethora of) CCTV cameras, they may prove to be his undoing. Sucks to be a loner and not engaged as much in the real world.

Also IMHO, I think LE HAVE found trace evidence of chemicals in his truck that match chemicals found at the acreage. Still not 100% convinced though he took the 3 victims to the acreage, I still feel he didn't go far. He was a child, early teen in the Bankview/South Calgary neighbourhood (16th Street/26th Avenue), back in the day when children ran free compared to now. I'd be looking in South Calgary Park (which is not far from the Parkhill home), again IMHO.

 

[Jena308]

If he was to remove the bodies and come back that's a fair bit of travel unless he had somewhere close by in mind to dispose of the 3. This would also be a red flag for anyone who may have noticed his truck at the L home earlier if he was coming and going. I cannot really imagine A's truck playing a big role if DG is one of comfort and planning. He would be unfamiliar with the truck and not know if it was in good running order and would not likely want to be in position where he would become stuck somewhere with 3 bodies and stolen vehicle. I would think if anything the 3 may be closer to the L home. If they had a trunk they were selling neighbors might not think much at all if they saw someone leaving with a trunk being that they were having an estate sale, more than likely they may have cast a quick glance and thought nothing of it. It wouldn't raise much suspision under the circumstances and could even have left earlier without any red flags.

Another thought if he left directly from the home with the 3 having done his clean up and didn't return is one that perhaps he considered a pig farm (slaughter house) like in Bassano to dump? Not sure if employees or workers regularly move through the pens or patrol the lots or if there is cameras. Bassano is not too far and he could have easily made it there and returned to his farm in the evening hours to continue disposal of other evidence.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

I'm wondering if DG wasn't a name that came up before he became a POI. Maybe there was some monitoring that occurred before? The truck could have been in a garage or building on the acreage and maybe the finding of the truck on CCTV was when he officially became POI .... just thinking out loud.

 

[julydarling]

Folks who live in Calgary - i have a question for you. What route would you take from the Liknes home back to Airdrie? If it were me and I had something to hide, I would try to get to Stoney Trail as soon as possible and avoid street lights, police, cameras as much as possible.
This Canada Day long weekend was a weird one. A lot of people had Monday off, and made a super long weekend out of it. McLeod trail is usually a hotbed of shenanigans with a lot of police presence, tons of businesses, lights etc. I certainly would stay away from there.

So (again, if it were me) I would hightail it to the east portion of Stoney. It's quiet and theres no one on there at this time of night - also access to a lot of back roads via Balzac etc.

The reason I am asking this is because I'm trying to figure out if there is any viable spots he could have dumped evidence along the way that could avoid detection for awhile.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

Folks who live in Calgary - i have a question for you. What route would you take from the Liknes home back to Airdrie? If it were me and I had something to hide, I would try to get to Stoney Trail as soon as possible and avoid street lights, police, cameras as much as possible.
This Canada Day long weekend was a weird one. A lot of people had Monday off, and made a super long weekend out of it. McLeod trail is usually a hotbed of shenanigans with a lot of police presence, tons of businesses, lights etc. I certainly would stay away from there.

So (again, if it were me) I would hightail it to the east portion of Stoney. It's quiet and theres no one on there at this time of night - also access to a lot of back roads via Balzac etc.

The reason I am asking this is because I'm trying to figure out if there is any viable spots he could have dumped evidence along the way that could avoid detection for awhile.

Getting to Stoney from Parkhill would require travelling on some major roads unless you were very familiar with that area. I have a girlfriend who knows a back route everywhere between downtown and Chinook Mall because she's lived in the vicinity for most of her life but I'm not sure that everyone would know the same. I'm not sure he'd go through Balzac ... it's gotten busier due to the mall. There are an infinite number of routes one could travel off Stoney to Airdrie though .... anyone with a good knowledge of that area, such as DG, would have been intimately familiar with them. I've been turned around a few times trying some different route and always found a way back to Calgary or to Airdrie. There are so many abandoned farm buildings, etc ... along the way n

 

[dairydog]

If that had been seen on CCTV from the house he would have been arrested on far more serious charges sooner than he was. I'm not sure that this is an avenue to travel.

However, if the bodies were not obviously visible but covered with a blanket or carpet, then I feel that LE wouldn't want to make a premature arrest without accumulating more evidence.