Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

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I thought I would take a look at the idea that there was a connection between AL's patent and DG. But looking at AL's patent, it's all engineering and no chemistry. So I wonder where the link is?

AL's patent was a sort of pump that removed water from oil wells (a frequent problem in Albert, IIRC). Separating oil from water, the problem appears to be.

But isn't acidizing used, as well, for this purpose?

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the topic, but I will bet that some WS's are right up on this.
 
BabaJ said:
I was wondering about this one as well, there is a lot of talk about his extensive knowledge of chemistry. How do the people know? He probably studied sciences, was his major chemistry? Although he worked in a chemical lab, it does not constitute being an expert. I am a little bit puzzled, although, I do not deny that he may have some knowledge of testing pesticides, herbicides and similar based on his lab experience.
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As far back as 1992 he was making his own meth, so I would imagine that's pretty difficult. Or maybe not?
 
Another newby posting. I have been reading here since the beginning of the case and must thank everyone for all their insight and interesting articles. My heart goes out to the families involved as I have a five year old grandson and it really hits home. I would have been content to just keep reading and not post anything except what I found out from a friend yesterday. She is in her seventies and from the Cardston area so I asked her if she remembered anything about the Hartley accident.

I was surprised to find out they had been neighbours in the country. Matthew and her son were the same age when the accident happened. The kids had drove just a short distance to the Aetna store to get Halloween costumes. Aetna is a hamlet on Highway 501 and is south east of Cardston. Matthew lost control on a corner and hit a truck driven by a local man. He was hurt quite badly she said. I won't post his name because he has now passed away...would have been in his seventies now. So it was not Douglas Garland driving the truck.

There is the possibility that DG was in U of A with kids from Cardston and heard about the accident.
 
DG risked more by taking the victims away with him. He could have been discovered in the process and also planted dna evidence in the truck and elsewhere. For a supposedly smart man, why didn't DG just park the truck down the block, walk to the house, shoot them and calmly walk back to the truck?
 
BabaJ said:
This one is bugging me as well. This happened in a good area to people in their 50's, there does not seem to be any motive and there are no viable leads IMO
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Maybe the Bonavista Vista crime was DG's dry run?


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ResearchQuest said:
He does. Makes me cringe when they say he was in medical school, though. We know he was kicked out of university for cheating before he received his B.Sc. degree.
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Totally agree! His original goal may have been to go to med school and it's quite possible he was taking "pre-med" type courses but that does not a med student make!
 
ResearchQuest said:
I thought I would take a look at the idea that there was a connection between AL's patent and DG. But looking at AL's patent, it's all engineering and no chemistry. So I wonder where the link is?

AL's patent was a sort of pump that removed water from oil wells (a frequent problem in Albert, IIRC). Separating oil from water, the problem appears to be.

But isn't acidizing used, as well, for this purpose?

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the topic, but I will bet that some WS's are right up on this.
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I haven't dug too deep into the patents but from what I have seen it was a downhole device/apparatus (pump) that would separate water from hydrocarbons. Water is a frequent problem associated with both oil and gas production especially in some plays in Alberta like the coal bed methane in the Drumheller area and the various shale/tight sand plays in the deep basin (Peace River Arch area.) Traditionally, the fluids are produced and separate at the surface and the produced water is disposed of (usually by injection back into the subsurface.) Obviously, a downhole mechanism for suppressing water is a great idea and has been something that many minds have toiled over for many years around the water.

Acidizing does nothing for controlling water production. Acidizing works to improve fluid production from a well by breaking down materials that might be plugging up the flow pathways (ie. restricting the permeability of the reservoir.)

I don't know how DG might be involved with this patent. Perhaps DG had various connections with operators and service companies which were active and focused on coal bed methane and he served as an intermediary between AL and those companies (essentially a salesman for the downhole tool.)
 
daniela40 said:
Maybe the Bonavista Vista crime was DG's dry run?


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I also wondered if DG was responsible for the C's murders. The L's and C's homes are both off McLeod Trail. IIRC, the homes are only approx. 9 minute drive apart.

LE will not release the details of the C murders, i.e. cause of death. When their son came home, he thought his parents had died from carbon monoxide poisoning, but the ME said it was a homicide.

The C home must have appeared very normal when their son came home compared to the L home.

The C's also lived in a beautiful neighbourhood. Imo, it is a coincidence both families lived so close to each other.

moo
 
roseofsharon said:
I also wondered if DG was responsible for the C's murders. The L's and C's homes are both off McLeod Trail. IIRC, the homes are only approx. 9 minute drive apart.

LE will not release the details of the C murders, i.e. cause of death. When their son came home, he thought his parents had died from carbon monoxide poisoning, but the ME said it was a homicide.

The C home must have appeared very normal when their son came home compared to the L home.

The C's also lived in a beautiful neighbourhood. Imo, it is a coincidence both families lived so close to each other.

moo
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Other than them living in the south and somewhat close together they appear to have very little in common.
 
ResearchQuest said:
As far back as 1992 he was making his own meth, so I would imagine that's pretty difficult. Or maybe not?
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:)

If he got hands on a good recipe and suitable chemicals (some of them widely available), it would not be such a big problem. It still does not constitute an expert :)
 
I can't recall but I don't *think* I've seen this yet.
What if DG HAD to take either AL or KL with him, away from the property for some reason? To retrieve something... show them something..?
It would have been so much easier to fake a CO2 poisoning, or like someone above just said, walk in, shoot them and walk away.

There is some reason why they were removed from the home. Now what was it?
 
julydarling said:
In regards to the lights being on, the only troubling aspect is that here in Calgary at this time of year, it isn't dark until 10:30ish at night. The sun also rises at about 5:45. That's a seriously small window to be taking care of 3 bodies without the risk of being exposed by daylight.
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I wonder if he was engaged in his evil activities until there was too much daylight light to notice that the light had been left on. After all, he tidied up the water hose.
 
garbagetweet said:
I don't know how DG might be involved with this patent. Perhaps DG had various connections with operators and service companies which were active and focused on coal bed methane and he served as an intermediary between AL and those companies (essentially a salesman for the downhole tool.)
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Maybe DG's Ranchland Equipment business was involved with the hydraulics aspect?

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garbagetweet said:
I haven't dug too deep into the patents but from what I have seen it was a downhole device/apparatus (pump) that would separate water from hydrocarbons. Water is a frequent problem associated with both oil and gas production especially in some plays in Alberta like the coal bed methane in the Drumheller area and the various shale/tight sand plays in the deep basin (Peace River Arch area.) Traditionally, the fluids are produced and separate at the surface and the produced water is disposed of (usually by injection back into the subsurface.) Obviously, a downhole mechanism for suppressing water is a great idea and has been something that many minds have toiled over for many years around the water.

Acidizing does nothing for controlling water production. Acidizing works to improve fluid production from a well by breaking down materials that might be plugging up the flow pathways (ie. restricting the permeability of the reservoir.)

I don't know how DG might be involved with this patent. Perhaps DG had various connections with operators and service companies which were active and focused on coal bed methane and he served as an intermediary between AL and those companies (essentially a salesman for the downhole tool.)
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Thanks, I am glad to know this information. I was trying to figure out if DG had given some sort of chemistry knowledge or proprietary information to AL for the patent, but I can't think how it relates, other than something along the lines that you have suggested.
 
BabaJ said:
:)

If he got hands on a good recipe and suitable chemicals (some of them widely available), it would not be such a big problem. It still does not constitute an expert :)
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I think that's why meth was so popular ... fairly easy to make if you had a little basic knowledge and back then you could still walk into a pharmacy and buy a shwak of Sudafed without being entered into a database.
 
BabaJ said:
:)

If he got hands on a good recipe and suitable chemicals (some of them widely available), it would not be such a big problem. It still does not constitute an expert :)
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True. But I don't think you need to be an expert to dissolve something in a barrel. Just a psychopath. :(
 
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