CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #6

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As promised, the reasons (in my opinion) the handyman is/might be innocent:

- he adored Audrey

- he had no reason to do this to her

- Audrey reciprocated his friendship/feelings

- he must have an alibi for 27th December - 30th December 2010

- LE say he's a POI - well, so was DLS

- there are MANY people who are "young and close"

- he has no reason to come to WS and speak with us

- the polygraph 'discrepancies' could be extremely minor

- like DLS, he was an easy way out for LE

- he is not "known to police"

Hope that made some sense.
 
If LV is responsible for the death of AG, this is how I think she pulled it off. Some points will have variations on how they came about or happened.

AG plans to be at LV's for Christmas dinner 2010 - usual practice. Info is from LV friend.

LV invites people at somewhat the last minute (from LV friend) knowing AG will beg off in some way - AG illness is spread around as the reason, however people seemed to know in advance this would be the case (same friend).

PK speaks to AG on Christmas Day (as well as before) - per PK. Conversation, as related by PK is, AG was ill all day and stayed home. He may have asked AG to look up and send him a copy of Amazing Grace video.

AG is well enough to go to LV's on Boxing Day - not her usual practice when ill, according to PK - time spent at LV's is unknown. LV makes arrangement to be at AG's following am. Soup delivery not necessarily the arrangement. LV ensures with AG dogs will be safely crated and cannot escape at the time of her arrival. LV learns of cake delivery or already knew.

LV brings soup before 10:46 am. LV is not alone. I'm 50-50 on who may have been with LV - lean towards someone other than PK.

LV and other person take control of AG and her household. They spend time there with AG. They send e-mail to PK. When AG is relatively calm, they make her sign the Will that is found on 30 Dec. It may have taken force to have AG tell them where another Will was in the house - maybe LV knew.

LV leaves in case she has been seen driving up AG's driveway. Other person stays.

AG is killed and Amazing Grace video sent to neighbor - or other way around. AG may have tried to run - making me think the person was older.

LV returns and picks up other person - not in AG driveway. Weather forecast was for rain, not snow, footprints not an issue.

Neighbors dogs barking early hours of 30 Dec? Maybe heard AG's dogs in distress. Maybe something else.

AG's body discovered 30 Dec 2010 about 11:00 am.
 
If LV is responsible for the death of AG, this is how I think she pulled it off. Some points will have variations on how they came about or happened.

AG plans to be at LV's for Christmas dinner 2010 - usual practice. Info is from LV friend.

LV invites people at somewhat the last minute (from LV friend) knowing AG will beg off in some way - AG illness is spread around as the reason, however people seemed to know in advance this would be the case (same friend).

PK speaks to AG on Christmas Day (as well as before) - per PK. Conversation, as related by PK is, AG was ill all day and stayed home. He may have asked AG to look up and send him a copy of Amazing Grace video.

AG is well enough to go to LV's on Boxing Day - not her usual practice when ill, according to PK - time spent at LV's is unknown. LV makes arrangement to be at AG's following am. Soup delivery not necessarily the arrangement. LV ensures with AG dogs will be safely crated and cannot escape at the time of her arrival. LV learns of cake delivery or already knew.

LV brings soup before 10:46 am. LV is not alone. I'm 50-50 on who may have been with LV - lean towards someone other than PK.

LV and other person take control of AG and her household. They spend time there with AG. They send e-mail to PK. When AG is relatively calm, they make her sign the Will that is found on 30 Dec. It may have taken force to have AG tell them where another Will was in the house - maybe LV knew.

LV leaves in case she has been seen driving up AG's driveway. Other person stays.

AG is killed and Amazing Grace video sent to neighbor - or other way around. AG may have tried to run - making me think the person was older.

LV returns and picks up other person - not in AG driveway. Weather forecast was for rain, not snow, footprints not an issue.

Neighbors dogs barking early hours of 30 Dec? Maybe heard AG's dogs in distress. Maybe something else.

AG's body discovered 30 Dec 2010 about 11:00 am.

Well, well, well. I am surprised that WS let you post this, considering that LV has never been named as a suspect, let alone a POI. LV, just like PK, lost a close friend. I really feel for her.
 
I respect your opinion Snoopster. LV did lose a friend of 30 years, she also gained everything there was to gain by AG's death. We wouldn't know that but for the public documents. Jmo.

While LV has not been named publicly by LE as a POI (seems to me that's unheard of in Canada) LE did say AG's killer was known to her. Not exactly letting anyone off the hook.
 
I respect your opinion Snoopster. LV did lose a friend of 30 years, she also gained everything there was to gain by AG's death. We wouldn't know that but for the public documents. Jmo.

While LV has not been named publicly by LE as a POI (seems to me that's unheard of in Canada) LE did say AG's killer was known to her. Not exactly letting anyone off the hook.

I couldn't agree more that no one should be let off the hook. That also means that we are focusing on people that are likely innocent (after all, they likely aren't all guilty).

In the end, I know that WSers are so concerned about finding out the truth, and, I'm sure the victim's loved ones are too, so maybe they will cut us some slack!
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Okay, my WS friends - apologies for double-posting and being obnoxious. I'm following the threads about the recent murder of Kelsey Felker in Kitchener, and less directly, Kera Freeland in Caledon. Apart from the eerie aspect of both deceased having the same initials :eek:, and notwithstanding that arrests of different men have been made in both murders, I'm connecting some dots that might - MIGHT - IMO be useful here.

Stephen Roy Johnson has been arrested and charged with first degree murder and indignity to a human body in the dismemberment of Kelsey Felker. There was some discussion on that thread,

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197073&page=8
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Woman's torso found in Kitchener Ont. Canada garbage bin

about whether SRJ is behind events referred to here (Kera Freeland thread):

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased Canada - Kera Freeland, 20, found in ditch near Caledon ON, March 2011

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Pure speculation on my part, but if it turns out that SRJ is connected with the assaults on the sex trade workers in Hamilton, I wonder what his whereabouts might have been between Christmas and New Year's 2010? Lynden is a half-hour drive from Kitchener, where this guy was arrested in the building where Kelsey Felker's torso was discovered.

Thoughts?

I too have been following Kelsey and Kera's threads. I wonder if SRJ has relatives that live near AG that would put him in the area around Christmas time?
 
Okay, my WS friends - apologies for double-posting and being obnoxious. I'm following the threads about the recent murder of Kelsey Felker in Kitchener, and less directly, Kera Freeland in Caledon. Apart from the eerie aspect of both deceased having the same initials :eek:, and notwithstanding that arrests of different men have been made in both murders, I'm connecting some dots that might - MIGHT - IMO be useful here.

Stephen Roy Johnson has been arrested and charged with first degree murder and indignity to a human body in the dismemberment of Kelsey Felker. There was some discussion on that thread,

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197073&page=8
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Woman's torso found in Kitchener Ont. Canada garbage bin

about whether SRJ is behind events referred to here (Kera Freeland thread):

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased Canada - Kera Freeland, 20, found in ditch near Caledon ON, March 2011

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Pure speculation on my part, but if it turns out that SRJ is connected with the assaults on the sex trade workers in Hamilton, I wonder what his whereabouts might have been between Christmas and New Year's 2010? Lynden is a half-hour drive from Kitchener, where this guy was arrested in the building where Kelsey Felker's torso was discovered.

Thoughts?

Good thinking LC! The thing I don't get though is that AG and the sex trade don't appear to have a tight connection in my mind!

I DO think that SRJ may have a connection with some of the unsolved Hamilton sex trade murders though. I definitely would like to know more about his background and his 'stomping grounds'. This guy clearly has problems!
 
Good thinking LC! The thing I don't get though is that AG and the sex trade don't appear to have a tight connection in my mind!

I DO think that SRJ may have a connection with some of the unsolved Hamilton sex trade murders though. I definitely would like to know more about his background and his 'stomping grounds'. This guy clearly has problems!

I have been searching for SRJ's stomping grounds as well, nothing so far. I did a 411 on SRJ's last name for AG's area...there is a listing on Lynden Rd with the same last name, however, this is a very popular last name
 
1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co

1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother

1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart

1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary

1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh Av South

1960 Audrey worked at Bell

1963 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Blake, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, wire drawer / Doveika, Mary

1964 Audrey enrolled at McMaster University

1964 Audrey met Allan Gleave (Audrey was 27, and Allan 6 yrs her jr, so 21 y.o.)

1965 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Doveika, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, retired / Doveika, Marie

1964 – 1967 Sometime during these years, Audrey worked 2 summers at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River

1966 Audrey graduated with a BSc from McMaster and started working on her degree in physics. She did not complete her Masters but would go on to be a high school science teacher, first at Hill Park Secondary School, later Barton Secondary and then Westdale Secondary

1967 Article titled “Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements” published showing “A. Doveika” as one of the authors

Aug 1967 Audrey was featured in Hamilton newspaper re building her own tv. The picture showed a wedding ring on her finger which she supposedly wore even when single

1969 Audrey married her third husband, Allan Gleave. They were married at Salvation Army Chapel on James St North. Allan’s mother Marjorie threw a party for them. They lived for a while with Allan’s parents, then for a time Alma Lane in Ancaster, then built a big home on Indian Trail, which Allan designed. Allan’s brother, David, was a pilot and flew the two of them up north into the bush to camp for a week. They travelled to Europe for three weeks. She talked about having kids.

1972 Hamilton voters list shows Gleave, Allan, engineer and Gleave, Mrs. Audrey, teacher, lived at 271 Alma Lane, Hamilton-Wentworth, Ontario

1972 – 1974 Doveika, Anthony, retired and Doveika, Marie, housewife, lived at 93 South Oval in Hamilton

Nov 20 1973 Audrey acquired the house as sole owner.

1974 Marriage to Allan fell apart. Allan met a younger woman at his karate class. He signed the house over to Audrey. He took a job as a chemical engineer in Sturgeon Falls. He and his new wife never had kids.

1976 Allan’s father died. Audrey attended the funeral and chatted briefly with Allan. Although Allan had made prior trips to Hamilton each year to visit his parents, it was the last time Audrey and Allan ever spoke, although she maintained contact with his brother David G.

Feb 23 1978 Audrey entered into a mortgage with the Hamilton Teacher's Credit Union for $40,500.00. Not specified if it's a first or second mortgage. Duration not specified but was renewable.

1980 Approx year that Lyn V met Audrey when AG was a member of the Brantford Golf & Country Club. This is also the approx. year that Audrey and veterinarian Dr. Dudley Collins became friends.

1980s Early 1980s, Audrey’s father, Tony Doveika died

1994 Dr. Collins retired

1994 Audrey’s mother, Marie Doveika, (whom Audrey had said had “disappeared”) was listed in the Hamilton City Directory. still living at the South Oval Street address

2001 Allan Gleave retired

2003 DLS caused a disturbance in a Henry Street coffee shop when he pulled a steak knife he had concealed in his clothes. A patron talked him into trading the knife for a cigarette. When police arrived, Scott yelled obscenities at them.

2003 Approx year that Audrey attended computer classes at Mohawk College (this is when J Hartig says he first recalls meeting Audrey at Mohawk).

2006 Audrey retired from Westdale Secondary

2006 PK met Audrey while he worked at Windmill Power Equipment in Dundas. He was 18, in his first year at McMaster, and lived with his parents in Brantford. (Year is approximate as the number of years PK says he knew Audrey has varied in different reports .. 2006 is from series written by Jon W)

Feb 3 2007 Audrey's Last Will and Testament signed and witnessed at Brantford, Ontario. LV was named executor and sole beneficiary.

2009-2010 Audrey purchased her Camaro which came off the line in the spring of 2009.

May 2010 Q Restaurant opened. This is where AK worked prior to acquiring SavingT in 2012

June 2010 PK and AT married

Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, Audrey's mailbox was smashed

Nov 2010 Approx time Audrey had new convection oven installed

Dec 22 2010 Audrey attended her weekly coffee meeting with colleagues (former Westdale Secondary teachers). These meeting had previously been at Williams Fresh Café, across from McMaster, but had apparently changed to the waterfront location.

Dec 23 – 25
2010 Sometime during these days, PK received email from Audrey that she was ill.

Dec 23 – 25
2010 Approx dates that initial reports said Dr. Dudley Collins had seen Audrey “a couple of days before Christmas”

Dec 25 2010 PK says he spoke with Audrey by phone and they rescheduled the delivery of the cake to Thursday, December 30. He says Audrey had stayed home all day.

Dec 26 2010 Audrey was at Lyn V’s home. Unknown if others were present on this date. Audrey normally went there every Sunday for coffee around 9:30 am.

Dec 27 2010 early morning, PK opened his email and received email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video

Dec 27 2010 PK received another email from Audrey timed 10:46 am re “secondary infection … cabin fever … LV bringing soup in a few minutes … will make Weds coffee meeting come hell or high water …”

Dec 27 2010 A member of Audrey's coffee group, EM, a science teacher at Westdale, says Audrey emailed someone in the group that she would not be attending the coffee get-together scheduled for Wednesday, Dec 29

Dec 27 2010 Unconfirmed reports that Audrey visited the vet that afternoon with her 2 dogs. This conflicts with initial reports that Dr. Collins saw her a couple of days before Christmas

Dec 27 2010 In the evening, neighbour Linda F opened email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video. Jon W series indicates email was sent at approx. 6:00 pm

Dec 29 2010 Fergusons’ dog started barking wildly approx. 2:30 am

Dec 29 2010 DLS arrested for having knife in waistband while at washroom of bank

Dec 29 2010 Ground was snow-covered, and the fog around midnight turned later to freezing fog,

Dec 30 2010 PK drove AK to work at Q that morning. He called Audrey to say he was running late. He arrived approx 11:00 am, let himself into garage and discovered Audrey's body. He called 911 and waited for police to arrive. After Audrey’s body was removed, LE had PK look around the garage to see if anything was missing.

Dec 31 2010 Autopsy began

Jan 2 2011 Police search begins at abandoned barn and property on Lynden Rd where DLS was known to live

Jan 4 2011 Police released the crime scene at Audrey’s home. Friends and a cleanup crew spent the day cleaning out her home.

Jan 4 2011 Police also released the Lynden farmhouse scene where DLS lived

Jan 4 2011 Vigil held for Audrey at United Church, Governor’s Road, Ancaster

Jan 4 2011 According to online obituary, Audrey had been cremated by this date

Jan 5 2011 Memorial Service held at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Beckett-Glaves Family Funeral Centre on Brant Avenue in Brantford.

Jan 28 2011 “Application for Certificate of Appointment of Estate Trustee with a Will” signed by LV, listing personal property of $50,622.87 and real estate at $425,000

Feb 3 2011 DLS sentenced on knife/bank incident to time served plus 10 days

Feb 8 2011 Reported in the Hamilton Spectator that Audrey’s neighbours said house had already been sold in estate sale and lights were on all the time now

Feb 9 2011 DLS released from serving sentence re knife/bank incident

Feb 10 2011 DLS arrested on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case

Feb 11 2011 DLS arraigned on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case

Feb 22 2011 “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee” signed by Registrar

June 3 2011 DLS released on 1st degree murder charge after forensic evidence didn’t match

August 2011 PK was administered polygraph

Sept 2011 LE met with PK to address discrepancies in his polygraph

Nov 14 2011 Registrar signed “Certificate of Official Document” attaching a true copy of the “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee with a Will” stating that the document remains in full force and effect

Jul 21 2012 Dr. Dudley Collins passed away

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Thanks button not enough sillybilly! Great work!
 
For me, it all comes down to who would take, or be assigned to take" a perverse trophy" from Audrey.If the motive was a financial one, who would be spiteful enough to "add insult to injury"?
 
Killing for financial gain can't be obvious - imo it has to look like a crazed maniac committed the crime for the motive of lust for rape and murder. I think that is what happened to AG.

I'm thinking the footprints were wrong for a crazed killing, which pointed LE back to someone known to AG - ie staged. PK made no mention of seeing bloody footprints leading out of the garage or anywhere else - not that he had to.

I think the killer put on coveralls and footwear brought with them to commit AG's murder. Then took the now bloody outerwear off and put them in a plastic bag in order to carry them away, and carry them in a vehicle where no trace would likely be found, or lessening the chances of that.

Imo, there was enough money that one would only have to do this once.
 
Re dotr's post, just wanted to add ... did this perverse act take place in the middle of the night because the killer must have been confident no one would be dropping by for a visit while carrying this out. Was this done to make LE think this was a sexually motivated crime. LE saying the killer was known to AG :what: ... it is shocking that a so-called friend/acquaintance, after murdering A, carried out a perverse act upon her. Has LE ever determined if this indecency was done post-mortem?

imo
 
For me, it all comes down to who would take, or be assigned to take" a perverse trophy" from Audrey.If the motive was a financial one, who would be spiteful enough to "add insult to injury"?

ITA dotr ... it's a pretty big leap from white collar crime to such a vicious killing, unless there was personal love/hate happening over the money, and the trophy is an indication of wanting something close/personal of the victim, or possibly a big final FU performed in rage to demean the victim.

JMO
 
Not that I need to know this detail, but it's too bad LE did not release the information regarding this trophy taking, as it could have provided a clue to someone, in that it may be related to some sort of ritual/cult activity.

Just imo
 
Good thinking LC! The thing I don't get though is that AG and the sex trade don't appear to have a tight connection in my mind!

I DO think that SRJ may have a connection with some of the unsolved Hamilton sex trade murders though. I definitely would like to know more about his background and his 'stomping grounds'. This guy clearly has problems!

Sorry, I wasn't very clear on my own thought process there, Snoopster. SRJ is 37. Old enough - who knows, a guess and MOO - to be a former student. Or, Audrey being a private, even 'paranoid' person, and SRJ apparently having a criminal background including drug-dealing... Could there be a score to settle from Hamilton days, as in she helped bust or nearly bust him, or - heaven forbid, been involved? Could he have been near to Audrey for some reason (relatives or other connections in the area) and had an opportunity? It could go some way toward the 'sexual component' - this guy dismembered KF, and in that thread, there is speculation that it isn't his first murder.

All absolutely JMO. Given the energy we've put into checking out people for whom the sexual component seems out of place, this seems as plausible.
 
I don't remember reading if AG had any life insurance?

Interesting question rose. If she did, it would not be included in the value of the estate, but would go directly to her specified beneficiary under the policy.

Mind you, under the circumstances, i don't think an insurance company would be paying out quickly, but would be doing their own investigation.
 
Hazel, it wasn't PK but our very own Lily McBloom who referenced the LV purchase of a new car, citing her friend who was a mutual acquaintance of LV and Audrey:
"-All important documents were found in AGs purse. There was no banking information in her purse, nor could LV find banking records in the house. LV had to go to major branches making enquiries and finally found AG banked at the Teachers Credit Union.
-AG paid for everything (including groceries) with a credit card, she did not debit. Once/month a withdrawl was made for several hundred dollars. She questioned what she would need that money for. (me assuming she paid PK in cash)
-LV purchased a new car and LE followed up asking questions where the monies came from etc. So clearly everyone is suspect."
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:great: Thank You LC, that's the post I was looking for. IMHO that shows that LE hasn't cleared anyone.

Just wanted to point this out, so we all keep in mind that we don't know how many POIs LE has in their list.
 
Hazel, do NOT leave me alone and tired in the sandbox late at night :eek:fftobed: .. i totally missed the "LV" and thought your post was re AG and the Camaro. My response therefore makes me appear to be ... an idiot perhaps??

I shall now post the updated timeline .. maybe it will detract from my stupid mistake ;)
:floorlaugh: no worries Sillybilly.

I was trying to find that bit of info in case you thought it could be added to your AWESOME Timeline, maybe next update, though info should say "hearsay" or "allegedly".

Also, we don't know that date, just that post is dated Sept. 23rd, 2011.

:thewave: Thanks again for all the hard work you put in doing the Timeline!!!!!
 
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