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^^^^^^^ WOW, similarities:

- Cadillac = GM vehicle

- elderly female

- e-mailing

- in the trunk/beside the car

At least the Caddy wasn't white! I'd say the motive here was the ring. What on earth was the motive for Audrey's murder?
 
Sorry folks, suddenly keep finding recent stories like this one, many are unsolved, but this is solved and in Ontario.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/05/20130518-070946.html

"BROCKVILLE, Ont. — An Ontario man pleaded guilty Friday to choking an elderly Ontario woman to death when he was teenager because she told him to stop talking to his girlfriend on the phone.

Valerie Xavier, 80, died Sept. 26, 2010, when one of her boarders blew into a fit of rage after she told him to hang up a telephone he'd been hogging to speak with a girlfriend in Ottawa.

The now 18-year-old man, who cannot be named by court order, pleaded guilty Friday to second-degree murder, theft of Xavier's 2000 Buick Sentry and possession of her credit cards"

snipbbm.

"By 12:26 a.m., he returned to Xavier's residence and went on her computer, listening to angst-filled music, running Google searches on the Internet such as “What do you do when you kill someone?” and asking for advice from a 14-year-old Las Vegas girl on a chat line".
 
Dotr, it's the email in the Barbara Howe murder that really sends a flag for me; thanks for drawing attention to this! I know of course that people send "political emails" all the time and that it is likely lots of folks will do so before they die. I can even be prepared to assume that, given the sheer numbers of folks using the internet for all sorts of messages, the content of some of those emails might seem eerily coincidental to their deaths. But I would really, really like to know the content of BH's last communication, and whether her family would identify such a message as out of character. In AGs case, I think we all have felt that it was typical of her to send messages of various sorts but that the "AG" email seems odd for a variety of reasons.

I have been googling and googling, and I can't find any info ON that email. Is there any way for us to know its contents?
 
Not answering your question 2Soccer but your post has made me think. I know we have gone over lots of this before. But just breaking it down (and requesting corrections or ideas).

1. The Amazing Grace email could be entirely innocent just something that caught Audrey's eye and she passed it on. Or it could be a strange cry for help from Audrey. I doubt both of these.

2. The email had meaning to the intruder(s). I doubt this.

3. The email had meaning also for the receivers a kind of message. This would bring the F. family who as far as I know have been let off scot free here back into things. Also P.K. - I remember reading that some others may have received it. Do we know if that is accurate and who?

4. When a poster briefly came on here it was interesting to find out that the new buyer of A's house lived next to the F. family not down the road as we had thought.
5. To me the father of the family's comments were strange in an interview more like what someone in a city would say "you don't expect it to happen right across the street" (sort of grinning). Yet his wife was a kind of friend.

6. Plot against Audrey. But it seems we have too many in on it. Or do we?
 
Sorry meant to say number 2 I don't think it had meaning exclusively to the intruders.


It was possibly some of kind of message at least to F. and P.K. I know we are not sure about LV re computer and email.

If a lot of people got the email that would make my theory less likely.

It is interesting that it is also the F family that heard their dogs bark. I have pointed out in an earlier post that we might also expect other dogs to bark as well.

Of course LE didn't canvass the neighbours properly so how can we know.

We really need someone to write a book on a few of these cases that might really benefit from LOTS of interviewing of local residents.

Same in Mariam M. case someone more friendly less an authority to go back and question the students maybe now ex-students so much the better. And especially talk to the parents a few of who I have it on reasonable authority think Mariam was held at the school and that authorities were involved.


The connection is 1. Audrey's road and house never properly canvassed and researched. Her house quite obviously never searched. In M. case school it my knowledge never searched properly.

If Audrey had cash or gold in her house which we don't know then the plot would make sense. It fits her but we just don't know.
 
I would like to know if AG's dogs were barking when PK opened the garage door.

Wouldn't two very protective german shepherds bark instinctively and continually, in the absence of their master, in order to alert their master to a visitor or to welcome their master home.

There really has not been much reported about AG's dogs on the day she was found, other than to say they were there and in another room. Is there a link regarding the dogs being in their crates.

Wondering if any toxicology tests were taken on the dogs.

imo
 
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2259959-if-audrey-gleave-s-dogs-could-speak-/

" At bedtime, Schatze goes easily into her cage in the living room, along with Lorne and Sylvia’s two previous dogs. But it’s different with Togi — there is something about the cage.

Togi was fiercely loyal to Audrey. If the big male was in his cage when she was killed, did he hear it? Is it possible that he saw something, but was trapped by the bars?

It makes no sense, eight years into his life, that Togi is now uneasy with his cage. He is calm outside it, “well balanced” as Lorne puts it. But inside the cage, at night, he seems agitated, stressed.

Does the cage symbolize something awful for him? From Lorne’s experience rehabilitating dogs, he thinks that is possible"
 
IIRC rose, tox tests were done on the dogs. I'm not certain if we know the results but you make a very valid point. I'd think the dogs would be barking any time that PK arrived to do her chores. They'd bark if anyone arrived!

The e-mailing of "AG" to only two people is perplexing. Why? Meaning? Significance? Who sent it.......the killer? Why that song? Lyrics?

:twocents:
 
"The e-mailing of "AG" to only two people is perplexing. Why? Meaning? Significance? Who sent it.......the killer? Why that song? Lyrics?"

(Quoting No Stone last post). I think the killer. But of course don't know for sure. It is an interesting experiment given the difficulty of this case to try on believing certain elements (temporarily) 100% and see where that leads you. Believing this would get us a long way (if true!!!)

Sorry for these long posts but please read the following re lyrics:

"Was blind but now I see". (Amazing Grace)

I have to be ambiguous here but there is always P.M. if anyone wants to know what I mean with the following:

Someone "relevant" used in their social media on their homepage the old adage: "I see said the blindman with his hammer and he (his???) saw".

I'm Blind But Now I See
I See Said the Blindman With His Hammer and he Saw

By the way I do not know if Audrey was attacked with a hammer and a saw (there was a story about the small saw found outside) but I do not know that she wasn't - it is obviously possible given the description we have - but far far from certain.

From the long Wiki article on the song: "The Dictionary of American Hymnology claims it is included in more than a thousand published hymnals, and recommends its use for "occasions of worship when we need to confess with joy that we are saved by God's grace alone; as a hymn of response to forgiveness of sin or as an assurance of pardon; as a confession of faith or after the sermon."[4]

It could be intended:
1. as others have suggested that A.G. the initials of Audrey's name and the initials of the song title.
2. could be ironic if the crime was considered to needed for someone's destiny. (financial angle). I am thinking of the tone of that commercial Facebook page.
3. as suggested by Wiki could be religious an "assurance of pardon".
 
I also think the video was sent by the killer. But I have no notion of WHY he sent it to only two people - PK and LF.

Let's assume the killer sent the vid. So that means that PK and LF knew something about Audrey that would make sense of the song.

Is the killer saving this 'blind wretch' with salvation/death? Is her horrific death a way of resurrection from being such a 'wretch'. "I once was lost but now I'm found.......". Did the killer grant her salvation?

I think the vid holds many clues from the killer.

:twocents:
 
I also think the video was sent by the killer. But I have no notion of WHY he sent it to only two people - PK and LF.

Let's assume the killer sent the vid. So that means that PK and LF knew something about Audrey that would make sense of the song.

Is the killer saving this 'blind wretch' with salvation/death? Is her horrific death a way of resurrection from being such a 'wretch'. "I once was lost but now I'm found.......". Did the killer grant her salvation?

I think the vid holds many clues from the killer.

:twocents:

Timeline (sillybilly #720)

Dez 27 2010 Early morning, PK says he opened his email and received email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video.
Dec 27 2010 It is reported that in the evening, neighbour Linda F. opened email from Audrey which included the link to the Amazing Grace video.
Dec 28 2010 PK states he spent the day with AK.


When the murderer should have sent the two emails?
 
I'd love to see the "time sent" on the two e-mails! In the timeline given above, it looks like the e-mails were sent either late on the 26th or in the early hours of the 27th.

Was the killer in AG's house on the 26th/27th? WHY were these two people the only ones to get the e-mail link? Are either of these two people involved in the killing? What do PK and LF know that would lead to the killing? Are PK and/or LF the killer? Are PK and/or LF covering for the killer? Have all people in the PK and LF households/family been investigated by LE? Have LE looked closely at the lyrics for clues? Why send a rather gloomy/maudlin/sad song at the supposedly 'merry' time of the year?

Too many questions.......

:twocents:
 
Question for the computer savvy ones:


Heaven knows I'm not at all computer savvy so please don't laugh at this silly question!

Can a very smart and tech savvy person gain access to my computer and send an e-mail from my computer while not even being in my home near my computer?

Thanks......
 
Revised Timeline by SillyBilly previous thread bumped for obvious reasons

Additions are wrt Dec 23 invite to LV's, dates as advised by PK re his activities between Dec 26 to 30, info wrt the BCM website and FB page from Dec 21 to Jan 3, date that Sgt Hrab announced the executor had been found; changes are to reflect certain info being claimed/stated by various parties.

Note that when a date includes various entries and specific times are unknown, the events of that day are not necessarily in a chronological order.

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1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co

1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother

1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart

1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary

1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh Av South

1960 Audrey worked at Bell

1963 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Blake, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, wire drawer / Doveika, Mary

1964 Audrey enrolled at McMaster University

1964 Audrey met Allan Gleave (Audrey was 27, and Allan 6 yrs her jr, so 21 y.o.)

1965 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Doveika, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, retired / Doveika, Marie

1964 – 1967 Sometime during these years, Audrey worked 2 summers at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River

1966 Audrey graduated with a BSc from McMaster and started working on her degree in physics. She did not complete her Masters but would go on to be a high school science teacher, first at Hill Park Secondary School, later Barton Secondary and then Westdale Secondary

1967 Article titled “Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements” published showing “A. Doveika” as one of the authors

Aug 1967 Audrey was featured in Hamilton newspaper re building her own tv. The picture showed a wedding ring on her finger which she supposedly wore even when single

1969 Audrey married her third husband, Allan Gleave. They were married at Salvation Army Chapel on James St North. Allan’s mother Marjorie threw a party for them. They lived for a while with Allan’s parents, then for a time Alma Lane in Ancaster, then built a big home on Indian Trail, which Allan designed. Allan’s brother, David, was a pilot and flew the two of them up north into the bush to camp for a week. They travelled to Europe for three weeks. She talked about having kids.

1972 Hamilton voters list shows Gleave, Allan, engineer and Gleave, Mrs. Audrey, teacher, lived at 271 Alma Lane, Hamilton-Wentworth, Ontario

1972 – 1974 Doveika, Anthony, retired and Doveika, Marie, housewife, lived at 93 South Oval in Hamilton

Nov 20 1973 Audrey acquired the house as sole owner.

1974 Marriage to Allan fell apart. Allan met a younger woman at his karate class. He signed the house over to Audrey. He took a job as a chemical engineer in Sturgeon Falls. He and his new wife never had kids.

1976 Allan’s father died. Audrey attended the funeral and chatted briefly with Allan. Although Allan had made prior trips to Hamilton each year to visit his parents, it was the last time Audrey and Allan ever spoke, although she maintained contact with his brother David G.

Feb 23 1978 Audrey entered into a mortgage with the Hamilton Teacher's Credit Union for $40,500.00. Not specified if it's a first or second mortgage. Duration not specified but was renewable.

1980 Approx year that Lyn V met Audrey when AG was a member of the Brantford Golf & Country Club. This is also the approx. year that Audrey and veterinarian Dr. Dudley Collins became friends.

1980s Early 1980s, Audrey’s father, Tony Doveika died

1994 Dr. Collins retired

1994 Audrey’s mother, Marie Doveika, (whom Audrey had said had “disappeared”) was listed in the Hamilton City Directory. still living at the South Oval Street address

2001 Allan Gleave retired

2003 DLS caused a disturbance in a Henry Street coffee shop when he pulled a steak knife he had concealed in his clothes. A patron talked him into trading the knife for a cigarette. When police arrived, Scott yelled obscenities at them.

2003 Approx year that Audrey attended computer classes at Mohawk College (this is when JH says he first recalls meeting Audrey at Mohawk).

2006 Audrey retired from Westdale Secondary

2006 PK says he met Audrey while he worked at Windmill Power Equipment in Dundas. He was 18, in his first year at McMaster, and lived with his parents in Brantford. (Year is approximate as the number of years PK says he knew Audrey has varied in different reports .. 2006 is from series written by Jon W)

Feb 3 2007 Audrey's Last Will and Testament signed and witnessed at Brantford, Ontario. LV was named executor and sole beneficiary.

2009-2010 Audrey purchased her Camaro which came off the line in the spring of 2009.

May 2010 Q Restaurant opened. This is where AK worked prior to acquiring SavingT in 2012

June 2010 PK and AT married

Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, PK says that Audrey's mailbox was smashed

Nov 2010 Approx time that PK says Audrey had new convection oven installed. PK claims AG said installer had been rude to her.

Dec 21 2010 BCM joined Facebook. “About” shows address as 275 Sunny***ge Rd, Ancaster; “Contacts” are email link at BCM dot com website and website is shown as BCM dot com. First post on this date is a pic of a hotrod, followed by the “rebel souls … deserters” as the second post on this date. MK’s FB page indicates he is Owner at BCM (contains link to the BCM website)

Dec 21 2010 BCM website created (as per whois domain info, but ipage shows as Dec 23 2010). Website shows as &#8220;under development&#8221;. Polo domains shows Registrar as PJK with an address of 39 Shad***ee Cres, Stoney Creek which cross-checked to an ST (AK&#8217;s mom or dad). &#8220;Company Overview&#8221; shows <paraphrased> craftsmanship related to custom solutions and manufacturing in the automotive market.

Dec 22 2010 Audrey attended her weekly coffee meeting with colleagues (former Westdale Secondary teachers). These meeting had previously been at Williams Fresh Café, across from McMaster, but at some time they apparently changed the venue to Williams waterfront location.

Dec 23 2010 &#8220;Suzie&#8221; says that she and another friend were invited to LV&#8217;s and it was expected that Audrey wouldn&#8217;t attend. Seems AG claimed she was ill on this date (whether fabricated or not)

Dec 24 2010 BCM FB post wishing Merry Christmas

Dec 23 &#8211; 25
2010 Sometime during these days, PK says he received email from Audrey that she was ill.

Dec 23 &#8211; 25
2010 Approx dates that initial reports said Dr. Dudley Collins had seen Audrey &#8220;a couple of days before Christmas&#8221;

Dec 25 2010 PK says he spoke with Audrey by phone and they rescheduled the delivery of the cake to around 10:00 am, Thursday, December 30. He says Audrey had stayed home all day.

Dec 26 2010 PK states that he spent the day with AK

Dec 26 2010 LV states Audrey was at LV&#8217;s home. Unknown if others were present on this date. Apparently Audrey normally went there every Sunday for coffee around 9:30 am

Dec 27 2010 BCM FB page posts &#8220;Nothing Wagered, Nothing Gained&#8221;

Dec 27 2010 PK states that he spent the day with AK

Dec 27 2010 early morning, PK says he opened his email and received email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video

Dec 27 2010 PK says he received another email from Audrey timed 10:46 am re &#8220;secondary infection &#8230; cabin fever &#8230; LV bringing soup in a few minutes &#8230; will make Weds coffee meeting come hell or high water &#8230;&#8221;

Dec 27 2010 LV states she took soup to Audrey

Dec 27 2010 Time unknown, a member of Audrey's coffee group, EM, a science teacher at Westdale, is said to have told JH that Audrey emailed someone in the group that she would not be attending the coffee get-together scheduled for Wednesday, Dec 29

Dec 27 2010 Unconfirmed reports that Audrey visited the vet that afternoon with her 2 dogs. This conflicts with initial reports that Dr. Collins saw her a couple of days before Christmas

Dec 27 2010 It is reported that in the evening, neighbour Linda F opened email from Audrey which included the link to the Amazing Grace video. Jon W series indicates email was sent at approx. 6:00 pm

Dec 28 2010 PK states he spent the day with AK

Dec 29 2010 PK states he went to work

Dec 29 2010 It is reported that the Fergusons&#8217; dog started barking wildly approx. 2:30 am

Dec 29 2010 DLS arrested for having knife in waistband while at washroom of bank

Dec 29 2010 Ground was snow-covered, and the fog around midnight turned later to freezing fog,

Dec 30 2010 PK says he drove AK to work at Q that morning. He says he called Audrey to let her know he was running late. He arrived approx 11:00 am (originally scheduled around 10:00 am), let himself into garage using the code and discovered Audrey's body. He called 911 and waited for police to arrive. After Audrey&#8217;s body was removed, PK says LE had him look around the garage to see if anything was missing. PK also posted on WS that &#8220;I was interviewed extensively, my car and person searched, myself and shoes were measured and photographed and DNA was collected from me in the first round of investigation where I was originally eliminated&#8221;.

Dec 31 2010 BCM FB post wishing a Happy New Years from the company

Dec 31 2010 Autopsy began

Jan 2 2011 Police search begins at abandoned barn and property on Lynden Rd where DLS was known to live

Jan 3 2011 BCM FB post &#8220;Take The Path Less Traveled&#8221; (no posts beyond this date)

Jan 4 2011 Police released the crime scene at Audrey&#8217;s home. Friends and a cleanup crew spent the day cleaning out her home. PK says he was there prior to the cleanup crew arriving

Jan 4 2011 Police also released the Lynden farmhouse scene where DLS lived

Jan 4 2011 Vigil held for Audrey at United Church, Governor&#8217;s Road, Ancaster

Jan 4 2011 According to online obituary, Audrey had been cremated by this date

Jan 5 2011 Memorial Service held at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Beckett-Glaves Family Funeral Centre on Brant Avenue in Brantford.

Jan 28 2011 &#8220;Application for Certificate of Appointment of Estate Trustee with a Will&#8221; signed by LV, listing personal property of $50,622.87 and real estate at $425,000

Feb 3 2011 DLS sentenced on knife/bank incident to time served plus 10 days

Feb 8 2011 Reported in the Hamilton Spectator that Audrey&#8217;s neighbours said house had already been sold in estate sale and lights were on all the time now

Feb 9 2011 DLS released from serving sentence re knife/bank incident

Feb 10 2011 DLS arrested on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey&#8217;s case

Feb 11 2011 DLS arraigned on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey&#8217;s case

Feb 22 2011 &#8220;Certificate of Appointment of Trustee&#8221; signed by Registrar

June 3 2011 DLS released on 1st degree murder charge after forensic evidence didn&#8217;t match

August 3 2011 PK posted on WS that &#8220;the last few weeks have brought new interviews and a polygraph exam&#8221;

Sept 2011 PK posted that LE met with him to address discrepancies in his polygraph

Nov 14 2011 Registrar signed &#8220;Certificate of Official Document&#8221; attaching a true copy of the &#8220;Certificate of Appointment of Trustee with a Will&#8221; stating that the document remains in full force and effect

Jul 21 2012 Dr. Dudley Collins passed away
Last edited by sillybilly; 02-15-2013 at 07:07 PM. Reason: added 10:00 am re cake delivery Dec 30
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I remember that the poster who said they had taken a lie detector and questioned said he was questioned again and again about the time from when Audrey was last seen (do we know when that was (?) anyway seems LE does) and the time of discovery of Audrey.

Discrepancies may have popped up there and just to be kind I would be very rattled trying to keep things straight if questioned about my previous 48 hours under scrutiny.

The thing I am having trouble with is the probable time of death.

1. The "eyes open" corpse IF true that suggests a recent death (???)

2. Yet the emails IF significant suggest a plan already in the works much earlier. And maybe an earlier death. But after all not necessarily.

Any thoughts about this contradiction?

Just had an idea:

The reason the throwing out of everything in the house could happen so quickly is that

1. Audrey for all her secretiveness had already been 'cased' not impossible hidden cameras were installed (this just an idea no evidence)...and especially...

2. Perp(s) had already spent a lot of time in the house. Had either searched it to their satisfaction and got what they wanted, possibly pressured/tortured Audrey for info.

3. That would explain the quick turnover of the house contents nothing else does. ANY old woman could have jewellery hidden somewhere who wouldn't have a look. Who would just ditch everything. Also LV would be looking for paper documents - that would take a LOT of close scrutiny in a cluttered house.

So why didn't it? Two very suspicious elements:

1. They weren't afraid of being attacked by the intruder while at the house.

2. They spent no time looking for account info or hidden valuables.

Easy to see the scenario that would match but these strange reactions.
 
Copied from the timeline:

<<< Dec 27 2010 Time unknown, a member of Audrey's coffee group, EM, a science teacher at Westdale, is said to have told JH that Audrey emailed someone in the group that she would not be attending the coffee get-together scheduled for Wednesday, Dec 29 >>>



This bothers me for a few reasons:

- it seems like the 27th was a critical day for Audrey

- how did she know that she'd still be unwell on the 29th

- it was the day the video was sent to two people

- ***** was it AG's final day alive *****

Other concerns:

- when PK states that he spent all those days with AK were they REALLY together all day long, each day, alone?

- a wife is able to get off of testifying against her husband.......very convenient

- the house was cleaned out in about a week after AG was killed - this bothers me greatly

- why didn't the coffee group receive the video via e-mail

And finally - "look young and look close". LF has a son. PK is young. Both are 'close'.

My humble take on all of this is that Audrey was killed on the 27th/early 28th; her killer sent the video to the two people; and..............
 
Question for the computer savvy ones:


Heaven knows I'm not at all computer savvy so please don't laugh at this silly question!

Can a very smart and tech savvy person gain access to my computer and send an e-mail from my computer while not even being in my home near my computer?

Thanks......

Not computer savvy, but I am told that yes it is possible- especially if a "bot/virus' is installed.
Wonder if Audrey had that problem in the past and fixed it, hence the touchiness about her name and email.
Audrey was good at that sort of thing, trying to recall if she took a computer debugging type class and if so, were her classmates also good at dealing with virus's, or a "secondary infection''?
 
I'm confused ... I did not know PK spent December 28th with AG, which was Tuesday and then returned with the coffee cake on Thursday???

TIA for helping me with my confusion!
 
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