Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1

[human]

Today, Honey Shermans vehicle was impounded by TPS. They aren't saying much but it was towed away today.

Interesting. That gives some light, perhaps, why the bodies were not removed via the garage

 

[Jasper52]

If there was extortion, she would be kept alive to give him incentive to comply.

They may have tried and when he didn't cooperate, she was killed. He still had lots to live for. moo

 

[Grace.212]

I am still stumped about the jackets. At first I thought coats and they must have come in from an outing. But a jacket can also mean a blazer. Chances that both were wearing one seems odd to me.

 

[human]

Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

Wow. In this day and age. Of course, Canada does seem safer, but still

 

[Lilibet]

Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

No security cameras is a huge surprise to me, considering their wealth and the string of burglaries recently. Not to mention having enemies. What happened to the report that the security camera in the pool/garage (?) area had been disabled?

 

[human]

I am still stumped about the jackets. At first I thought coats and they must have come in from an outing. But a jacket can also mean a blazer. Chances that both were wearing one seems odd to me.

It’s cold so he could have had some kind of suit coat and she a blazer type jacket.

With the car impounded, I am going with outside jacket

 

[otto]

Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

Easy to know which news source to trust:

CBC News

"CBC News has learned that the Shermans were found near the pool in the basement of their home. Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

FOX News

"Toronto Police said Saturday there were no signs of forced entry at the home, and there was no outstanding suspect they were going after. Law enforcement sources told the Toronto Sun authorities did not immediately find a suicide note, and a review of the home's video surveillance system is under way."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/1...-reports-murder-suicide-as-irresponsible.html

 

[whitelilac]

How do you know?

Many here speculated she was hurt in the garage, and perhaps this is an indication of that.

This is what I believe (for now)....they were either arriving home, or about to leave home.

 

[Lilibet]

I am still stumped about the jackets. At first I thought coats and they must have come in from an outing. But a jacket can also mean a blazer. Chances that both were wearing one seems odd to me.

Some people wear a light “jacket” in the house rather than run the furnace and heat the whole place.

Also, does “jacket” mean the same thing in Canada? In the UK a “jumper” is what we call a “sweater” in the U.S.

 

[Jasper52]

Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

I wonder how accurate that reporting is as it was stated before the security camera in the pool room was turned off?

 

[Inthedetails]

I believe JDG lives in the neighborhood.

Aha. Thanks!

 

[fred&edna]

No security cameras is a huge surprise to me, considering their wealth and the string of burglaries recently. Not to mention having enemies. What happened to the report that the security camera in the pool/garage (?) area had been disabled?

I agree. No matter how "welcoming" the Sherman's might have been, nor how "safe" they might feel... it's difficult to imagine they would be okay with every Tom, Dick and litigator possibly showing up unannounced.

These deaths are very tragic and puzzling (I know I'll be lurking around for additional info)

 

[otto]

I wonder how accurate that reporting is as it was stated before the security camera in the pool room was turned off?

The statement was that the camera in the pool area had been "disconnected". Maybe the reporter asked if there was surveillance footage, the source said no, and the reporter assumed that meant there was a camera and it was disconnected rather than non-existent.

 

[JDG]

If the newspaper is citing a police source, and another police source does not confirm the information, that doesn't make it untrue. It only means that one police officer gave some information whereas another did not.

We are accepting that there is no evidence of forced entry from the same source that is credited for stating that the wife was killed elsewhere in the house and moved to the pool area. Do we also disbelieve that there were no signs of forced entry?

"As for the possibility of a murder-suicide, which police have not yet confirmed, the Toronto Sun indicated that police sources believe Honey may have been killed first. “Sources close to the case believe Honey may have been killed in a secondary location in the $6.9 million Old Colony Rd. house and then moved to the location where she was later found with her deceased husband,” reported the Toronto newspaper. The Sun reported that police sources say there was no evidence anyone else had been in the home or that there was forced entry."

http://heavy.com/news/2017/12/honey-sherman-dead-death-barry-wife-murder/

I read today that they NEVER locked their side door, that it was always open!!! That may explain lack of forced entry. Oh my! JMO

 

[Lilibet]

Easy to know which news source to trust:

CBC News

"CBC News has learned that the Shermans were found near the pool in the basement of their home. Investigators have found no security cameras inside or outside the home."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

FOX News

"Toronto Police said Saturday there were no signs of forced entry at the home, and there was no outstanding suspect they were going after. Law enforcement sources told the Toronto Sun authorities did not immediately find a suicide note, and a review of the home's video surveillance system is under way."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/1...-reports-murder-suicide-as-irresponsible.html

Well, as much as I distrust Fox News in general , I’d say that they are referencing sources better than CBC in this instance. So I will assume that there is a surveillance system for now.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder how accurate that reporting is as it was stated before the security camera in the pool room was turned off?

And the report that an ADT guy was there??

puzzling.

 

[otto]

No security cameras is a huge surprise to me, considering their wealth and the string of burglaries recently. Not to mention having enemies. What happened to the report that the security camera in the pool/garage (?) area had been disabled?

We heard that ADT security people were at the house on Monday. Some people have the ADT sign on the front lawn and stickers on the window, but no security system. I think that's quite possible with this couple. They sued everyone they could to avoid paying for work done on their house. I could see them requesting a security system to get the signs and stickers, and then cancelling the service with some sort of complaint that got them out of the contract.

I don't think it has been mentioned before, but on Monday's Toronto CBC News at 6, a reporter was standing on the street near the Sherman property. He said that, whilst waiting to give his live report from the scene, a tech from ADT Security drove up to the house. The reporter asked the tech what he was doing there. The tech said that he would be helping the TPS with accessing data on the home security system. Why it would take three days for ADT to be called in seems odd to me, but I'm not in LE.

I'm looking forward to finding out what is found by the TPS.

ADT Security -----> https://www.adt.ca/

 

[Jasper52]

If there was extortion, she would be kept alive to give him incentive to comply.

With Honey's car being impounded today, is it possible that Honey was over-taken (likely strangled in her vehicle) then the killer(s) had the keys to enter the house and confront Barry. They could let on Honey was being held hostage and try and extort what ever it was they were after?

 

[fred&edna]

Was anything missing from the home? Valuables? Everything in it's place or items in disarray?

'Sorry I'm reading backwards and might have missed this info

 

[Lilibet]

I read today that they NEVER locked their side door, that it was always open!!! That may explain lack of forced entry. Oh my! JMO

If it’s true that they never locked their side door, I have to question their common sense. They could come home to someone in their house (ahem), find that they’ve been burglarized (as happened to me before I got smart in 1977), or leave themselves wide open for a home invasion (ahem). If true, what were they thinking?!!